Wizards: Post Porter trade; post Wall torn Achilles

[queridiculo]

we know the lottery is rigged, do we think they will give us the first pick out of pity?

I doubt it, look what Leonsis turned his shot into when they got Wall.

[I_Like_Dirt]

NBA needs a BALTIMORE expansion team so we can stop rooting for these clowns Dumb & Dumber. I want to see some baltimore streetballers with durags and arm sleeves breaking ankles and doing the bobby shmurda dance back down the court.

Right! MLB has the right idea!!! The Nationals are okay sometimes but often not so good, so fans can just go cheer for the Orioles and it isn't that bad!!!...

[WallToWall]

I will not pretend to know much about salaries and the cap, etc, so I'd like someone who is informed to help answer...
now that we've made these trades, and we are no longer in luxury tax land, are we able to participate in the free agent bonanza (or lack thereof) at the end of this season? Meaning, will we be able to sign UFA's? If so, what is our limit? Who, in your estimation, could we possibly go after?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The only correct answer is to trade nearly everyone and rebuild. Beal, Porter and the expirings should all be gone. Resign Bryant and maybe Sato.

They're on pace to win like 34 games this year. Next year if they get the band back together, which it sounds like Ted really wants to do, they'll be a 34 win team with $38M in dead money and Ian Mahinimi on the books. In other words, $54M in dead money will be on the books next year, so there is absolutely no realistic way to improve the team in the near future.

Full rebuild.

Or else, just do nothing.

Wait. Watch. Learn about each player. Don't keep cutting bait/jettisoningou fuel/cutting and running.

Just stand (like in Ephesians 6).

Evaluate the current draft like SKIP Holtz (he was just on SEC ESPN Network).

Take a fresh look at size and speed for the position/role; as well as character and intelligence when you decide how to craft together a team.

Organizational Development (OD) and scouting are, unfortunately, WHO YOU KNOW and cliquish within the Wizards.

They'd rather be consistently wrong than switch.

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Either way most of the team are current FAs so no, they won't be coming back

Right now the only signed and playable options next year are Beal, Porter & Brown. That's it! So there's not much to decide on. Its basically comes down to what do you do with Beal & Porter? I think the decision is easy.

Wall (won't play), Mahinmi (can't play) & Howard (shouldn't stay) account for approx $60 mil of cap space! Retooling on the fly no longer makes any sense with Wall gone for the foreseeable future.

I'd keep Bryant as an RFA but his defensive limitations may relegate him to a backup role ideally. I would not overpay for him at all despite the promise. Too many available Cs out there in a crowded market to have that position eat up unnecessary cap room.

I like Sato but to help bottom out, he may need to go as well. Especially if he could net us a 1st rounder.

Why Ariza, Green & Morris are still here, I have no idea. All 3 should be dealt for whatever picks and tax room can be obtained.

I would ask Bradley about his wants.

Dude might want to continue to grow his brand and his game in Wall's absence.

I would hold on to him unless he wants out. Beal is a tremendous influence in the right way.

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[Curtis Lemansky]

So Brown will be in regular rotation after all-star break I'm guessing?

[queridiculo]

So Brown will be in regular rotation after all-star break I'm guessing?

No way, see, the Wizards don't operate like most teams around the league do.

They have so much veteran depth that's it hard to get playing time for rookies.

It makes more sense to wait until those guys approach the final years of their contract and then throw them some minutes.

[doclinkin]

Right. And we hear Ted in a sideline interview talking about we land Parker and Portis and get younger. Um. WE've got younger on the team already. In G League standouts and draft picks. And we don't play them.

[payitforward]

I will not pretend to know much about salaries and the cap, etc, so I'd like someone who is informed to help answer...
now that we've made these trades, and we are no longer in luxury tax land, are we able to participate in the free agent bonanza (or lack thereof) at the end of this season? Meaning, will we be able to sign UFA's? If so, what is our limit? Who, in your estimation, could we possibly go after?

We have $84m in guaranteed contracts next year for 4 players (Beal, Mahinmi, Wall & Brown) plus Howard's $5.4m player option. Seems likely he'll pick that up -- unless someone thinks he can get more elsewhere at his age & coming off an injury. Plus a high R1 pick So, call it just under $94m for 6 players.

Assume for a moment that the cap will be @ $109m. We'd have @$16m to pay for 8 more players & stay below the cap. We won't do that, obviously.

We'll certainly want to retain Satoransky & Bryant. I imagine that we'd hope to keep them under $11m combined next year (might be pretty hard). If so, we're at $105m & 6 players short of a roster.

If we don't pick up Randle's $2m option, we won't have a backup pg & have to get one elsewhere for that much or more $$. So, make it $107m, 9 players, & only $2m under the cap.

Green is good value at the vet minimum & good marketing too, being a local guy, hence I anticipate us giving him a bump to @$4m (where he's no longer particularly good value). But... lets hope we get him back at the vet minimum.

If so... we're right at the cap with 10 guys.

There'll be @$20-22 between the cap & the luxury tax line I think. Ernie seems to want to keep Ariza. If he gets more than a vet minimum deal he'll be overpaid -- & I think he will.

I also think he'll want to keep Portis as well, so it doesn't seem like he gave Porter away & got nothing back. Bobby wants too much $$.

I fear that by the time he's done overpaying those 2 guys we'll be flirting with, or over, the luxury tax line at 12 guys.

We'd be foolish to let Dekker walk, but he'll be low on Ernie's list I think. Even with him, we will still need a 14th player.

So, no, we won't be part of the Free Agent Fiesta.

[leswizards]

With Porter on the team, I had delusions that Wall, Beal, and Porter would all get healthy and play to the value that they were being paid, and with the emergence of Satoranksy and Bryant, the Wizards would have enough talent to win year in and year out, make the playoffs, and maybe even get lucky enough every so often to overcome eg’s incompetence and maybe even win a championship. What do I have left now to feed my delusions? Wall very well may have an injury that destroys all his value, Beal is playing great, and Portis, Sato, Dekker, and Bryant are all good and intriguing, but not enough to overcome eg’s incompetence and blowing money on worthless veterans (eg, ariza, Ian, etc). And eg is probably going to blow the lottery pick on the next Jan Vesely.

[nate33]

What do I have left now to feed my delusions?

Jabari Parker has just figured things out and is ready to break out!
Our #15 pick is going to be superstar! (It's only #15 because we will make the playoffs.)
Bobby Portis is a scoring and rebounding machine, and his defensive problems will be fixed by our elite coaching staff!
And above all, Ernie Grunfeld is a shrewd manager whose track record of excellence should give you all the hope you need.

[Ruzious]

What do I have left now to feed my delusions?

Jabari Parker has just figured things out and is ready to break out!
Our #15 pick is going to be superstar! (It's only #15 because we will make the playoffs.)
Bobby Portis is a scoring and rebounding machine, and his defensive problems will be fixed by our elite coaching staff!
And above all, Ernie Grunfeld is a shrewd manager whose track record of excellence should give you all the hope you need.

When we play/beat Milwaukee in the first round, Parker will divulge the secret to beating Giannis.

Spoiler:

kick him in the knee.
What, you were expecting something clever?

[Dat2U]

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Why in the world would anyone want to keep this team together? To do what? Be the 10th/11th seed in the East?

But its probably going to happen which is simply amazing. We actually dumped Porter & Oubre to pay Portis & Ariza. That's just, just astonishing.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

No Porter. No Oubre. Could have had Jarrett Allen. Could have had Pascal Siakim. Heck, the Wizards could have Steph Curry.

Instead, the architect of the dung heap is still GM.

[payitforward]

Why in the world would anyone want to keep this team together? To do what? Be the 10th/11th seed in the East?

But its probably going to happen which is simply amazing. We actually dumped Porter & Oubre to pay Portis & Ariza. That's just, just astonishing.

Yup. Giving new meaning & dimension to the word "incompetent," Ernie will act as if all is well, we just got hit w/ injuries. &, I reckon, will convince Ted of same.

It doesn't take a genius to understand what the Wizards operating rules should be -- if you are young & cheap we keep you (Dekker, Bryant, Brown, et. al....). If you are past your prime you are on this team only as a veteran minimum player (Green, Ariza). Other than Beal, every other player has to be here on a contract that's a bargain. Drag the Mahinmi baggage another year, b/c there's no other option.

[queridiculo]

Yup. Giving new meaning & dimension to the word "incompetent," Ernie will act as if all is well, we just got hit w/ injuries. &, I reckon, will convince Ted of same.

The greatest trick Leonsis ever pulled was convincing people that he cared about the Wizards winning.

He's 100% complicit, the edict to trade Porter for salary cap relief came from him, and him alone. This was a business decision, and cheap Ted once again showed his true colors.

The idea that Leonsis would need convincing on any of these half-baked moves is almost laughable.

[closg00]

Yup. Giving new meaning & dimension to the word "incompetent," Ernie will act as if all is well, we just got hit w/ injuries. &, I reckon, will convince Ted of same.

The greatest trick Leonsis ever pulled was convincing people that he cared about the Wizards winning.

He's 100% complicit, the edict to trade Porter for salary cap relief came from him, and him alone. This was a business decision, and cheap Ted once again showed his true colors.

The idea that Leonsis would need convincing on any of these half-baked moves is almost laughable.

Exactly right, Ernie can sell Ted anything, very smooth con man

[payitforward]

Yup. Giving new meaning & dimension to the word "incompetent," Ernie will act as if all is well, we just got hit w/ injuries. &, I reckon, will convince Ted of same.

The greatest trick Leonsis ever pulled was convincing people that he cared about the Wizards winning.

He's 100% complicit, the edict to trade Porter for salary cap relief came from him, and him alone. This was a business decision, and cheap Ted once again showed his true colors.

The idea that Leonsis would need convincing on any of these half-baked moves is almost laughable.

"Cheap Ted" -- ? I wish he was Cheap Ted! Maybe Cheap Ted wouldn't have given John Wall a super-max?

No, I fear what we have is not cheap Ted but over-confident Ted, I-know-what-I'm-doing Ted, etc.

Plus, the combination of Ted & Ernie seems particularly toxic. Ernie is conceited beyond measure, & Ted is used to relying on "experts." Together, they built a $130m roster that couldn't get to .500, that relies so heavily on a veteran minimum player (Jeff Green) that he's 2d on the team in minutes, that has an end of career & expiring veteran (Trevor Ariza) playing almost 37 minutes a game, etc. etc. etc.

[BigA]

What do I have left now to feed my delusions?

Jabari Parker has just figured things out and is ready to break out!
Our #15 pick is going to be superstar! (It's only #15 because we will make the playoffs.)
Bobby Portis is a scoring and rebounding machine, and his defensive problems will be fixed by our elite coaching staff!
And above all, Ernie Grunfeld is a shrewd manager whose track record of excellence should give you all the hope you need.

nate33=milellie111?