2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

truwizfan4evr · Post #101 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:20 pm

Knighthonor wrote:Oh crap!!!! I had a Nightmare last night about this draft

What did your nightmare have us doing?

jivelikenice · Post #102 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:23 pm

I was out of town this weekend and have been trying to catch up since. I read that MKG and Rivers are coming in for a 2nd workout but I haven't seen it comfirmed anywhere. Is this legit?

Nivek · Post #103 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:25 pm

Ed Weiland raised a name I hadn't seen before: Ken Horton from Central Connecticut State. I agree with Ed that Horton looks like a solid 2nd round pick for someone. I don't want the Wizards taking him in the 2nd round because I there's a possibility 2-3 players in the YODA top 10 could still be on the board at 32. Based on the mocks, those 3 could be Crowder, Denmon and Barton.

If the Wiz get Beal or MKG and then one of those three, I think they'll have had a good draft.

Post #104 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:42 pm

LyricalRico wrote:The more I look at the mocks, the more I see GSW being in the toughest spot in the draft. They are likely either going to be looking at Drummond or Lillard as the top guy left on the board, neither of which is their greatest need (a dynamic swingman). But the teams that would presumably have guys they'd want (Deng in Chicago, Iggy in Philly, etc) don't seem IMO that they would be interested in Drummond/Lillard either. Yes, Philly needs a big, but are they willing to wait on Drummond to develop?

Maybe the best thing for them would be for Barnes to slip and they just take him as BPA?

Would GSW trade Biedrins+7 to Houston for Dalembert+14+16? They drop down to the end of the lottery, but they get an extra pick and longterm savings in the process. They might rather have a combo of Ross/Zeller or something like that anyway. Houston does it to get a top 10 pick to try to make a package for Howard (according to WireTap).

fishercob · Post #105 » by **fishercob** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:05 pm

If Beal is taken at 2, I draft MKG. I'd be happy and prepared to keep MKG, because I think Ariza could very well be here for one season (see my post at the bottom of this page)

But I also start working the phones and see how the next 3-5 picks play out. I would at least look to see if there's an opportunity to swap with whomever takes Waiters, depending much else we could pick up.

If Golden State would give up 7 + 30 a future first (and maybe also take Blatche) we have to consider that, no? I guess that all depends on one's assessment of Waiters

That report of a top-8 Waiters promise could be BS, too. If he gets past Toronto at 8, he could side as far as PHX at 13. Dudley + Waiters + future first for MKG + Blatche. Phoenix will likely be back in the lotto next year, maybe high.

Post #106 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:07 pm

Yeah, if somebody leaps in front of us because they want Beal THAT BADLY, you know, whatever, take MKG. We're only focused in on Beal because of Beal, MKG, and TRob, he fits our needs the best, not that he's THAT much better than everybody else.

Jay81 · Post #107 » by **Jay81** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:16 pm

rumor from Sacramento that they love Lilliard at 5. Would guarntee Barnes/Drummond at 6 if you want to trade down. Maybe even MKG?

fishercob · Post #108 » by **fishercob** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:23 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Yeah, if somebody leaps in front of us because they want Beal THAT BADLY, you know, whatever, take MKG. We're only focused in on Beal because of Beal, MKG, and TRob, he fits our needs the best, not that he's THAT much better than everybody else.

You allude to an important point: Cleveland has nothing on the wings too. They were terrible last year and have a lot of holes to fill and distance to travel before being good again. So given that, why would they sacrifice assets to take Beal over MKG? Shouldn't they just take MKG and then guys like Denmon, Crowder, etc?

I just don't think giving up assets to get a guy in the same tier makes sense for them. Also, they're better equipped to handle MKG's shooting issues b/c Irving is a much better natural shooter than Wall. Plus the Irving-Beal backcourt may make less sense defensively than Wall-Beal; to the extent Beal is undersized, Irving is not going to compensate for that at all.

I think all this business about them jumping us for Beal is total draft week smoke. Charlotte could be putting it out there to try to pry a pick from us to move up. Beal's agent could be feeding it to FOrd b/c it make shis guy look sought after. COuld be a dozen things. When it is said and done on Thursday, I think Beal will be ours.

Nivek · Post #109 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:24 pm

Agree completely about taking MKG if Beal is gone.

WizarDynasty · Post #110 » by **WizarDynasty** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:44 pm

This draft is about two superstars that go by AD. After him there is an allstar in HB and after that some decent role players. Don't be fooled by the hype. Just look at most nba draft history at the hype at what actually happens 3 years later. Always a ton of hype so that later lottery teams hope the early lotto teams make stupid decisions.

7-Day Dray · Post #111 » by **7-Day Dray** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:52 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:This draft is about two superstars that go by AD. After him there is an allstar in HB and after that some decent role players. Don't be fooled by the hype. Just look at most nba draft history at the hype at what actually happens 3 years later. Always a ton of hype so that later lottery teams hope the early lotto teams make stupid decisions.

+1

jivelikenice · Post #112 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:22 pm

Jay81 wrote:rumor from Sacramento that they love Lilliard at 5. Would guarntee Barnes/Drummond at 6 if you want to trade down. Maybe even MKG?

I'd absolutely trade down if I knew Barnes would be there @ 6 and we can get 11. I don't think the difference between the 3 wings is that great. if you could get one and pick up the 11th pick in a good draft, its worth it. If you can't get one of the 3 wings then you pass.

truwizfan4evr · Post #113 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:37 pm

I cant see Barnes droping way to pick number 6.

Dat2U · Post #114 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:01 pm

fishercob wrote:You allude to an important point: Cleveland has nothing on the wings too. They were terrible last year and have a lot of holes to fill and distance to travel before being good again. So given that, why would they sacrifice assets to take Beal over MKG? Shouldn't they just take MKG and then guys like Denmon, Crowder, etc?

I just don't think giving up assets to get a guy in the same tier makes sense for them.

Not every team has the same players in the same tier. Cleveland may very well have Beal on a higher tier than other teams. I now have MKG on the 2nd tier by himself.

And the #24 pick isn't really a huge asset. In the scheme of things, it doesn't amount to a whole lot. Your not guaranteed an NBA player at 24 so giving it up to procure the player you want seems like a small price to pay IMO.

davidgrant · Post #115 » by **davidgrant** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:18 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Still think now that moving Blatche and the 3 to Houston for the 14th and 16th pick wouldn't be the worse move in the world, assuming Beal is not there at 3. I would be fine with any combo of Sullinger/PJ 3/Terrence Jones

Zero chance this happens. We'll keep the pick and draft Beal/Barnes/MKG.

payitforward · Post #116 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:18 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Ford's latest mock draft has us taking Beal at #3, and Machado at #32.

Call me very satisfied with that if it happens.

Draftexpress update has us with Beal and Miles Plumlee at 32. That I don't get at all. Apparently we are cornering the market on 4-5s

? Plumlee will be 24 when the season begins. I don't care how athletic he looked/measured at the Combine; at his age he should have dominated college opponents and didn't.

NBAdraftnet has us with Beal and Jenkins. Makes more sense.

pancakes3 · Post #117 » by **pancakes3** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:33 am

jeebus, 8 pages in 1 day? draft week is truly upon us. we'll make it to draft-discussion-vii no problem.

closg00 · Post #118 » by **closg00** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:35 am

Washington appears set on Bradley Beal after the highly questionable trade they made adding another aging bigman and middling SF Trevor Ariza to their roster. The assumption has been that they are now targeting Beal after adding Ariza, but why would having Ariza change anyone's draft plans? While Kidd-Gilchrist remains a possibility. Beal is likely the player they want because they would love to put Nick Young even further in their riew view mirror.

http://www.nbadraft.net/draft-buzz-5
More draft buzz

sfam · Post #119 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:37 am

I think we should stop the panic talk about missing out on Beal. Nobody really knows whether Beal or MKG will be better. Lets do the zen thing and take whomever drops to us. If Cleveland really wants to give up its assets to get Beal, such is life - lets be happy with MKG. So what if we can't shoot. Its not like shooting is necessary to win games or anything, um...

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #120 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:39 am

http://www.nbadraft.net/draft-buzz-5

Barnes Unpopular with Teammates

According to one NBA scout, Harrison Barnes excelled in predraft interviews but teammates were not so positive about him. There was nothing alarming said about him, just that he wasn't as popular or viewed as the team leader that some might expect. then again, Kobe Bryant was never considered the most team oriented socialite, and he's got 5 rings. Teammate Tyler Zeller was the player that nearly every player noted as being a great teammate and the team's MVP.

Just setting the stage for Washington selecting Barnes third overall...