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Re: 2/4 LA Clippers @ Wizards 7PM CSN..... 

Post#101 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 6, 2013 10:28 am

Nivek wrote:I see what you're saying, dat, and I do agree with that part of it. While I think it's the player's job to get his ass in the gym and work on his game, if I was running the team I'd have a load of resources ready for the player. I'd have expectations established, plans in place, etc. No one on the team would have to wonder what they should be working on.

That said, in fairness to the front office (which I think needs to be replaced), they're already doing a lot of this stuff. Players have one-on-one sessions with coaches. They spend time doing skills work. In the offseason, every player receives written instructions of what they're supposed to be working on. I don't know how much offseason follow-up they're doing to see whether or not guys are following their offseason plan.

There just isn't a shortcut for player development. At some point, the player has to get his behind in the gym and do the work.


What the Wizards have done is acquire too many young players who need to work on shooting and not enough veterans who shoot it well. When too many players lack the same skill set there's only so much coaches can do to hide a team-wide deficiency.

Martell Webster and Cartier Martin are the only guys who consistently put the ball in the hole. Crawford made strides forward this season. Seraphin has taken a giant step backward in accuracy while making a quantum leap in zeal to shoot more frequently. Beal had good shooting in January that was the mirror opposite of his epically bad DeShawn Stevenson impersonation in November and December. Wall, Crawford, and Beal collectively are bad shooters. I can't put that on the coaching staff.

Right now, when the guards shoot well the Wizards can win with Webster, Nene, and Okafor playing their normal games. The single biggest culprit at the moment is John Wall with a .427 eFG%. That needs to be much higher (along the lines of .475) for the Wizards to have a better shot at winning ball games. hands and others are rightfully down on Wittman for allowing Seraphin, who is shooting .430 eFG% to be a go to guy. That goes back to player development above.

The one guy the Wizards really need to tighten up on is Seraphin. His force shots are really hurting the Wizards. Nene, when he has no lift, and John Wall, when teams dare him to shoot, are also hurting the Wizards. Coaching needs to work around trouble spots. They didn't have to worry much with the Clippers missing three players.

I think what really needs to happen is simply trades for shooters and a good draft.
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Re: 2/4 LA Clippers @ Wizards 7PM CSN..... 

Post#102 » by tontoz » Wed Feb 6, 2013 12:27 pm

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tontoz wrote:CCJ it is hard to take you seriously about Wall. No matter what type of player Wall turns out to be you can claim you were right.


That makes my odds better. 8-)

tontoz, I made comments after Wall's hot start. How is he playing now? The same as he's been the previous two seasons. I drank the Koolaid. If that disqualifies me when I said, "I no longer worry about Wall," then fine. Once the team last to Sacramento for the second time, with Isaiah Thomas beating the Wizards; it made Wall's shine duller. And the other losses that removed any and all doubt, made my adjust from "win with Wall" to "do what is best in the long haul".

I have said Wall and Beal are made for each other but I have also said I like some guys in the draft better than Wall. Can Beal play with McCollum, Smart, Burke, etc? I don't know. Would acquiring Kemba or Jimmer plus a pick for Wall be better than keeping John Wall? Probably so!

tontoz, you might think I am waffling, but the bottom line is at the end of 2014 is when a contract must be renewed. Wall doesn't have to be THE GUY. I like Marcus Smart and I recall being flamed for considering trading Wall before Irving came into the league.

I see Wall trying hard and competing on defense. I see how he is with better teammates. But he IS who I have thought all along.



You have done the same thing for the last two seasons. You go back and for from 'Wall is overrated' to 'Wall is a star in the making' so often it is like watching someone play ping pong with themselves.
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Re: 2/4 LA Clippers @ Wizards 7PM CSN..... 

Post#103 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 6, 2013 1:05 pm

hands11 wrote:There isn't a poster here that makes projections that hasn't waffled to some degree or another. Specially when they are pissed or overly happy after some wins.

Now if you are someone that only posts the sky is falling, well.... that makes things a little easier since the record has been bad for a while now. Not a lot of nuance needed there.

You have been fair to Wall both in criticism and occasional hope.

He is clearly talented. He will also get better.

How talented ? How much better ? When ? Was he #1 worthy ? Should they keep him and for how much ? Those are the questions up for debate.

Lots to evaluate between now and the end of the year.


tontoz, hands is asking the same things about Wall that most are and I think he has a better read about my feelings toward Wall.

One thing is abundantly clear to me about Wall now, tontoz: Teams that scout him well and who grind games out beat him. They make Wall shoot the ball from outside. Their PGs generally beat Wall in head-to-head matchups, and they bait him into being a shoot-first PG.

What hands mentioned about Wall getting "how much better?" is something I have given many responses to, tontoz. It sure seemed like he turned a corner at the beginning of this season but just as quickly he pulled a Seraphin. John Wall does not strike me as a high basketball IQ player or one who knows how to improve very much. At the same time, there are games the guy runs warp speed and looks spectacular. Wall is a tease player who seems to be much the same as when he first came into the league.

tontoz: How is Wall better?
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Post#104 » by tontoz » Wed Feb 6, 2013 2:06 pm

CCJ I think you are missing the point.

I am not sure why you are always making long term predictions about players but if you make a prediction, then turn around and make a prediction (or multiple predictions) that is completely opposed to your original position, your inevitable "i told you so" rings hollow. All i am saying is just stick to a prediction or spare us the "see how right i was" posts.

I don't know how Wall will turn out. However if it was up to me i definitely would NOT offer Wall an extension this summer. I am not "married" to Wall at all. I would have no problem letting him walk if he doesn't improve.
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Re: 2/4 LA Clippers @ Wizards 7PM CSN..... 

Post#105 » by Dat2U » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:27 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
hands11 wrote:There isn't a poster here that makes projections that hasn't waffled to some degree or another. Specially when they are pissed or overly happy after some wins.

Now if you are someone that only posts the sky is falling, well.... that makes things a little easier since the record has been bad for a while now. Not a lot of nuance needed there.

You have been fair to Wall both in criticism and occasional hope.

He is clearly talented. He will also get better.

How talented ? How much better ? When ? Was he #1 worthy ? Should they keep him and for how much ? Those are the questions up for debate.

Lots to evaluate between now and the end of the year.


tontoz, hands is asking the same things about Wall that most are and I think he has a better read about my feelings toward Wall.

One thing is abundantly clear to me about Wall now, tontoz: Teams that scout him well and who grind games out beat him. They make Wall shoot the ball from outside. Their PGs generally beat Wall in head-to-head matchups, and they bait him into being a shoot-first PG.

What hands mentioned about Wall getting "how much better?" is something I have given many responses to, tontoz. It sure seemed like he turned a corner at the beginning of this season but just as quickly he pulled a Seraphin. John Wall does not strike me as a high basketball IQ player or one who knows how to improve very much. At the same time, there are games the guy runs warp speed and looks spectacular. Wall is a tease player who seems to be much the same as when he first came into the league.

tontoz: How is Wall better?


The problem is every single game becomes a referendum on Wall for you. EVERY SINGLE GAME!!! It gets old as f*ck.
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Post#106 » by Dat2U » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:37 pm

tontoz wrote:CCJ I think you are missing the point.

I am not sure why you are always making long term predictions about players but if you make a prediction, then turn around and make a prediction (or multiple predictions) that is completely opposed to your original position, your inevitable "i told you so" rings hollow. All i am saying is just stick to a prediction or spare us the "see how right i was" posts.

I don't know how Wall will turn out. However if it was up to me i definitely would NOT offer Wall an extension this summer. I am not "married" to Wall at all. I would have no problem letting him walk if he doesn't improve.


You trade him before you let him walk. The worst thing you could do is nothing... play the waiting game, he finally blows up and you potentially lose him for nothing.

No one is offering Wall a max deal at this stage, so really that's not something that should go into the decision making process. If Wall's agent asks for a max extension this offseason, I'd probably laugh... loudly.

If Wall's agent is willing to agree to something in the $11-12 million range per year, that's more reasonable and frankly I'd probably take that risk even if he's not gotten to the point where he deserves it yet. He's still young, he's still got a ton of value, he's still the former #1 pick. He still puts up decent per game numbers that other GMs look at.
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Post#107 » by jivelikenice » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:37 pm

^Pretty much
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Post#108 » by LyricalRico » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:44 pm

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tontoz wrote:I don't know how Wall will turn out. However if it was up to me i definitely would NOT offer Wall an extension this summer. I am not "married" to Wall at all. I would have no problem letting him walk if he doesn't improve.


You trade him before you let him walk. The worst thing you could do is nothing... play the waiting game, he finally blows up and you potentially lose him for nothing.


:nod:

Yep, need to make some big decisions this summer.
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Post#109 » by Nivek » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:49 pm

The Wizards don't need to make a decision on Wall until the 2014 trade deadline -- at the earliest. They have him on the 4th year of his rookie contract next season, and then hold the right to match any contract offer he gets after that season. At minimum, they could do a sign and trade in the summer of 2015.

No rush.

Plus, the added bonus in waiting is that it increases the likelihood that Grunfeld won't be the guy negotiating the extension or making a potential trade.
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Post#110 » by tontoz » Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:07 pm

Nivek wrote:The Wizards don't need to make a decision on Wall until the 2014 trade deadline -- at the earliest. They have him on the 4th year of his rookie contract next season, and then hold the right to match any contract offer he gets after that season. At minimum, they could do a sign and trade in the summer of 2015.

No rush.

Plus, the added bonus in waiting is that it increases the likelihood that Grunfeld won't be the guy negotiating the extension or making a potential trade.



While that is obvious to us i am not so sure it is obvious to EG given his track record.

DAT i didn't mean that "walk" comment literally. Probably the only way he actually walks for nothing is if he pulls a Childress and goes to Europe which would obviously be very unlikely.
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Post#111 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:12 pm

Dat2U wrote:The problem is every single game becomes a referendum on Wall for you. EVERY SINGLE GAME!!! It gets old as f*ck.


Three years ago I said before the draft he was overrated. I said Cousins is better. I took a lot of crap then from you and a bunch of people. What gets old is being right, repeatedly. Yet years go by for people to come around if ever to what I said years ago.

You guys don't like me talking about Wall because you said he would be the better than Jason Kidd and he would be the greatest at the PG position. Heck, at times AJ Price runs PG better. You can get mad about game-by-game referendums, or you can say, "I wonder what kind of PG Marcus Smart would be?"

Wall is a nice kid and extremely gifted athletically. He is still 22 years old. He is rich and will be in the league for years and years. Things will get better than they are now for him. He could stay a Wizard and prove me wrong. If the team plays like they did for about 10 games for a whole season, he might. I think they are a house of cards if they count on Nene's health. Trading Wall for me is a chance to get rid of an injury-prone guy.

I think Wall's up and down play is what is irksome. If there is any referendum it is all on his inconsistent, but typically so, game.
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Post#112 » by tontoz » Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:17 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Three years ago I said before the draft he was overrated. I said Cousins is better. I took a lot of crap then from you and a bunch of people. What gets old is being right, repeatedly. "


This is where you lose me.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Wall led SL in scoring and in assists.

A lot of comparisons have been made between Wall and Wade, Wall and Derrick Rose, and even Wall and Gary Payton. Those all apply IMO. I will throw one more out there.

The last player to lead the league in both scoring and assists was Nate Archibald. Wall's much bigger, much better defensively, and more athletic than Tiny Archibald; but he has similar ability as both a scorer and a set up player.

When Wall develops his midrange and gets a floater shot, he will become a legit candidate to lead the league in both assists and scoring, Like Archibald did some 30 years ago.



viewtopic.php?t=1038098

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Post#113 » by Kanyewest » Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:21 pm

tontoz wrote:
Nivek wrote:The Wizards don't need to make a decision on Wall until the 2014 trade deadline -- at the earliest. They have him on the 4th year of his rookie contract next season, and then hold the right to match any contract offer he gets after that season. At minimum, they could do a sign and trade in the summer of 2015.

No rush.

Plus, the added bonus in waiting is that it increases the likelihood that Grunfeld won't be the guy negotiating the extension or making a potential trade.



While that is obvious to us i am not so sure it is obvious to EG given his track record.

DAT i didn't mean that "walk" comment literally. Probably the only way he actually walks for nothing is if he pulls a Childress and goes to Europe which would obviously be very unlikely.


EG did trade McGee and Young in the final year of their rookie contract- (well Young was technically an unrestricted free agent the next season) so it is in EG's track record.

Then again he also gave Arenas the max.
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Post#114 » by Dat2U » Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:33 pm

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Dat2U wrote:The problem is every single game becomes a referendum on Wall for you. EVERY SINGLE GAME!!! It gets old as f*ck.


Three years ago I said before the draft he was overrated. I said Cousins is better. I took a lot of crap then from you and a bunch of people. What gets old is being right, repeatedly. Yet years go by for people to come around if ever to what I said years ago.

You guys don't like me talking about Wall because you said he would be the better than Jason Kidd and he would be the greatest at the PG position. Heck, at times AJ Price runs PG better. You can get mad about game-by-game referendums, or you can say, "I wonder what kind of PG Marcus Smart would be?"

Wall is a nice kid and extremely gifted athletically. He is still 22 years old. He is rich and will be in the league for years and years. Things will get better than they are now for him. He could stay a Wizard and prove me wrong. If the team plays like they did for about 10 games for a whole season, he might. I think they are a house of cards if they count on Nene's health. Trading Wall for me is a chance to get rid of an injury-prone guy.

I think Wall's up and down play is what is irksome. If there is any referendum it is all on his inconsistent, but typically so, game.


You took a lot of crap for wanting Cousins over Wall. And rightfully so. Cousins has been an unmitigated disaster in Sacramento. Only reason us Wizards fans want him is because he might be available for pennies on the dollar in relation to his talent. No one ever really doubted Cousins talent, just his mental makeup. I'm just glad we didn't draft him because he would have already been on his 2nd team by now.

As for Wall, have I been disappointed by his development? Yes. But not to the point where I'm ready to trade him for any mediocre guard you covet and a middlin' 1st round pick. And I can't help but think the Wizards front office have absolutely done Wall no favors when it comes to putting him into the best position to succeed. They've been as much of a hindrance to Wall as his broken jump shot with the lack of talent, poor skill and subpar coaching they've surrounded him with.

Frankly I thought Wall was closer to the guy we saw get a triple double and a 9 steal game in his first two weeks as a pro. He played recklessly but with a ton of energy & attitude and with a jumper that was inconsistent but passable. More like a guy that shot 30% from 3 his rookie year. That's the Wall I thought we were getting. This Wall is a bit more passive, more tentative and the shot is still work in progress but now without the range from 3.

Again, I really do wonder how Wall would have done had he gone to any other team. I suspect he'd be further along than he is now.
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Post#115 » by Kanyewest » Wed Feb 6, 2013 6:10 pm

Cousins may not have been a bad pickup if the Wizards got additional compensation for the #1 pick - ie a future first rounder or another first rounder in that draft (ie Bledsoe or Vazquez). Nonetheless, the present would still be even more painful watching Cousin's antics from a day to day basis and I'm not sure he would last in DC and I would fear that fans would turn on him.

Plus Wall has led EG not to pick another guard in the 2011 draft instead of Vesley. At the time, I thought that Knight was the best player at that spot and perhaps the Wizards didn't pick Knight because they already had Wall on board. Turned out to be Klay Thompson -, who didn't go in the top 10 anyways.
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Post#116 » by hands11 » Wed Feb 6, 2013 6:28 pm

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:Now if you are someone that only posts the sky is falling, well.... that makes things a little easier since the record has been bad for a while now. Not a lot of nuance needed there.

The record has been bad for a while now, so I much prefer the blue sky/sunny day posts. It can't be easy at all to write them. Much nuance required.


It helps if you have a few beers before posting. :wink:

As for the recent testiness in this thread, I think people are just frustrated ... again.

Things sucked. Then there was hope. Now we are watching for the draft again and its only Feb.

Most didn't start the season thinking it would be another tank year. We know they would start slow because of injuries but they took longer then expected to get Wall out there. And there have been so many other injuries. Now Beal is out and just when he was catching fire. And we though Randy would coach more like he did to end last year.

So right now, there just isn't a lot of be happy about so people are getting a little pissy. Understandable.

There have been some little mini good stories. Webster has been a nice add. Okafor has played well.
But there are more worries then feel good stories. And people still don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.

How will be the coach ?
What about GM ?
Who is the legit star on the team ?

There just isn't a lot to hang your hat on.
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Post#117 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:04 pm

tontoz wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Three years ago I said before the draft he was overrated. I said Cousins is better. I took a lot of crap then from you and a bunch of people. What gets old is being right, repeatedly. "


This is where you lose me.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Wall led SL in scoring and in assists.

A lot of comparisons have been made between Wall and Wade, Wall and Derrick Rose, and even Wall and Gary Payton. Those all apply IMO. I will throw one more out there.

The last player to lead the league in both scoring and assists was Nate Archibald. Wall's much bigger, much better defensively, and more athletic than Tiny Archibald; but he has similar ability as both a scorer and a set up player.

When Wall develops his midrange and gets a floater shot, he will become a legit candidate to lead the league in both assists and scoring, Like Archibald did some 30 years ago.



viewtopic.php?t=1038098

If you are on both sides of the fence then of course one of them will be the right side.


tontoz, you like to argue and I've been down this road with you before. I don't feel in the slightest bit conflicted. Wall played at a PER of about 21 for several games (7 or so) during the Wizards 7-3 stretch over 10 games. I noted defensive improvements and scoring that was helping a team win.

There is a key adverb: WHEN

You highlighted the rest as if to say he will. And even then I said he would become a candidate when that happens. What I didn't say is Wall can shoot like Archibald. If Wall ups his 17 shots per 36 minutes, to about 25 shots, and if he plays along better teammates he could score over 27 points a game while generating 11 or more assists. That is entirely POSSIBLE.

If he learns to shoot Wall will score a lot of points along with his many assists.

But for the last time, tontoz, timing is everything. That optimism for Wall's breakout is gone and looking at the time it will take for that to happen I think there are better players on the horizon. Wall IS like Payton. He can score and he can assist. However, he's woefully bad shooting the ball and he has turned it over A LOT.

You didn't put me on both sides of any fence. You fenced yourself in trying to make me the victim of your angst over what I said.

You also NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION, tontoz. I asked you how has he improved. I admit I thought he had games back but if you look at this: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ljo01.html with a larger sample size of games THIS SEASON, I don't see improvement.

If you go to school and get an A the first quarter, but you follow it with C, B, C what is your overall grade?
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Post#118 » by Nivek » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:07 pm

Umm..."WHEN" is an adverb.

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Post#119 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:09 pm

Nivek wrote:Umm..."WHEN" is an adverb.

{ducks}


Wow, you're quick, Nivek. :oops:

I edited it BEFORE I read the grammar police had busted me. (Bad time for me. I got my first speeding ticket in 5-6 years, yesterday.)

Today, I learned "WHEN" can also be a conjunction. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/when

"I know when I am unsure of which part of speech is correct." "I know when I wish I didn't post a mistake." Those feature when used as a conjunction.

An adverb usage would be "When will CCJ stop killing us all with his ubiquitous ranting and waffling over John Wall?" Another, "When we he stop?"

Nivek, when will John Wall develop a midrange shot and a floater?

Will John Wall always shoot .091 3PT FG or worse?
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Post#120 » by montestewart » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:17 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Nivek wrote:Umm..."WHEN" is an adverb.

{ducks}


Wow, you're quick, Nivek. :oops:

I edited it BEFORE the grammar police busted me.

I learned "WHEN" can also be a conjunction.

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