Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[Ruzious]

With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

That vision needs correction. By the time Beal and Porter develop - if they develop - Nene will be on his last legs, and Gortat will likely be collecting over 10 mil a year to be something much less than fabulous. The plan better have a way to add 2 quality bigs and more quality depth. Not having their next 1st round pick isn't a good way to start.

If the vision was to create a team that has a shot to finish .500 for the next few seasons, then mission accomplished.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

I'd consider giving up a testicle to trade Ernie and Randy for Ainge and Stevens. I'm done having kids anyway.

I'd consider providing that second one if Milelllelleee111 needs a full set.

[noworriesinmd]

With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

Milellie111, please explain the last chart on this page (Easiest Schedule - Bad Team). If you have a good explanation I promise I'll be the most positive person on this board besides you.

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With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

How can anybody respond to this -- it's a joke, and you're a complete idiot.

At first I didn't think you were a troll, but now it's obvious you are. Why don't you just go away and never come back, ok?

[MikeTheKid]

With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

The only mgmt of those 4 teams who are worse than EG/Witt is DET because Dumars is on par or worse than Ernie, he signed Josh Smith which pretty much killed the purpose of having Monroe

Philly, Orlando and Boston are all tanking and everyone knows it. They've all cleaned house and done well doing it with the exception of Philly trading for Bynum last season.

-Philly gotta 1st rd pick and Noel for Jrue Holiday and drafted MCW who is doing very well in his rookie campaign as well as Brett Brown coming in as coach

-Orlando picked up REAL potential young talent in Vucevic (dbl-dbl machine), Tobias Harris (STEAL), Mo Harkless, Andrew Nicholson and drafting Oladipo all while accumulating pick and saving money. Id do anything for Sam Hinkie as GM.

-Boston absolutely fleeced the Nets for there picks and have a huge chip if they trade Rondo. Nuff said
Ainge is a top 5 GM in the league

Its not about records because these teams knew they were gonna tank going into this season because they wanted to position themselves for the deep 2014 draft. I just gave you valid reasons Thank You Come Again

PS- Please tell me whose the young talent on the bench besides Porter who needs to develop and Book??? Ves, Seraphin and Singleton are barely getting time and GRJr is just coming back from the DL.

[doclinkin]

With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

How can anybody respond to this -- it's a joke, and you're a complete idiot.

At first I didn't think you were a troll, but now it's obvious you are. Why don't you just go away and never come back, ok?

Hey, stuff it gramps. Tired of your act. I'm jumping in with millie. You don't have to agree, you don't even have to be civil-- gods know that'd be a stretch -- but bullying some misguided kid who somehow manages to have a rosy outlook is low class.

Shxt, I admire him his evident enjoyment of the squad and hope for the future. Trying to get back there myself. Come playoffs time I hope to be able to lose my shxt and get unobjective and fanatical. Not there yet, but you never know. But this kind of loudmouthed assheadery is not the right kind of obnoxious. He's a wizfan, one of our own, opposing viewpoints and conversation are what we're here for. We can argue and disagree, but we don't run off our fellow fans. Save that for opposing squads. TAKEITBACK ...

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-Orlando picked up REAL potential young talent in Vucevic (dbl-dbl machine), Tobias Harris (STEAL), Mo Harkless, Andrew Nicholson and drafting Oladipo all while accumulating pick and saving money. Id do anything for Sam Hinkie as GM.

Hinkie is doing a *great* job so far -- but he's Philly's GM. Orlando's GM, who is also doing a great job, is Rob Hennigan.

I look for both those teams to scoot past us in their rebuilds in the next year or so. Just as the team we're playing tonight -- which was 23-43 in the strike-shortened season when we went 20-66 -- has easily out-rebuilt us: and with no ping-pong-ball aided top pick in the draft. No, they just held on to their picks instead of trading them, picked good players instead of bad ones, used Round 2 well (they have Draymond Green taken #35 in 2012; we have the rights to Tomas Satoransky, secured 3 picks earlier -- you tell me who made the better pick), made better trades, picked better guys overall to sign as FAs, etc. etc. etc.

And I picked Golden State only because we play them tonight. It's a long long long list of teams better run than ours. And none of those teams re-up the contracts of their incompetent GMs.

TBH, only a fool could look at the way this franchise has been run by Ernie Grunfeld and applaud. And of course, there are always one or two fools in every crowd. Hence this thread....

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With the exception of Miami and Indiana, the Wizards are on par with any other team in the East, however better than many. When Leonsis bought the team and retained Grunfeld, there was a plan in place and everyone knew this team would not transcend into contenders one season later. That vision is in the process of coming to fruition. Again the Wizards are very much competitive in the East, a young roster with a budding superstar and peaking sharp shooter, young talent on the bench, a coach who the players respect and respond too, and proper management of cap money. Look at other in the East and their records(i.e.Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Orlando) and let me a valid reason why Grunfeld/Whittman is any worse than the management duos mentioned.

How can anybody respond to this -- it's a joke, and you're a complete idiot.

At first I didn't think you were a troll, but now it's obvious you are. Why don't you just go away and never come back, ok?

Hey, stuff it gramps. Tired of your act. I'm jumping in with millie. You don't have to agree, you don't even have to be civil-- gods know that'd be a stretch -- but bullying some misguided kid who somehow manages to have a rosy outlook is low class.

Shxt, I admire him his evident enjoyment of the squad and hope for the future. Trying to get back there myself. Come playoffs time I hope to be able to lose my shxt and get unobjective and fanatical. Not there yet, but you never know. But this kind of loudmouthed assheadery is not the right kind of obnoxious. He's a wizfan, one of our own, opposing viewpoints and conversation are what we're here for. We can argue and disagree, but we don't run off our fellow fans. Save that for opposing squads. TAKEITBACK ...

You stuff it, doc -- and if you don't like what I write put me on ignore, as so can milellie111 if he likes.

My initial several responses to m were all welcoming and good-natured -- why don't you go take a look, so you have some context with which to rethink your over the top response to me. I just called him an idiot, not a nice word it's true. Now go reread the words you just treated me to. They make "idiot" seem mild, don't they.

As I say, several times I welcomed mxxx -- but it's become obvious that he isn't here to "argue and disagree" -- he hasn't responded to a single thing anyone has said, all he's done is return with some new wacky claim.

If I had any reason to think he was merely "unobjective" to borrow your neologism, I'd be delighted at his presence. We are all "unobjective." Nor can I "run off our fellow fan". I don't have that power. Nor would I if I did have it. Nor run off the fan of one of those "opposing squads" either.

But that's not what I think; I think he's a troll. In truth, it's best to ignore a troll. So my bad not to have done so. And, hey, if you don't find that my thinking and writing on this forum enhance it, send me a PM and I'll be happy to resign.

As to you Miliellie111, if you can't back up what you say, say something different that you can back up. That'd be better than going away and never coming back. And lets assume too that you're not an idiot. In which case I hope you try harder not to appear as one. I'll try harder not to be so rough on you as well.

[doclinkin]

Nah I watched the whole thing, was happy to see your responses, then. Amused me to have a poster able to incite impassioned responses and maintain his own sunny outlook despite being served the bitter dregs at the bottom of a full cup of rational thought. But he was not being an ass, just enjoyably oblivious. We keep these kind around, run off only troublemakers from other boards, or folks who prevent discourse.

But hah! good luck getting me to ignore you now, shoot i'll follow you back to the cave of your ancestors if I have to.
-doc.
If he's a troll he's a troll and you can have fun with it or ignore it, but this board would be boring if we all agreed. Call him every flavor of idiot you can think of, but he has every right to be here and have his opinion, that's the part you'll always catch me objecting to, even if I vehemently disagree. Or especially then.

[milellie111]

How can anybody respond to this -- it's a joke, and you're a complete idiot.

At first I didn't think you were a troll, but now it's obvious you are. Why don't you just go away and never come back, ok?

Hey, stuff it gramps. Tired of your act. I'm jumping in with millie. You don't have to agree, you don't even have to be civil-- gods know that'd be a stretch -- but bullying some misguided kid who somehow manages to have a rosy outlook is low class.

Shxt, I admire him his evident enjoyment of the squad and hope for the future. Trying to get back there myself. Come playoffs time I hope to be able to lose my shxt and get unobjective and fanatical. Not there yet, but you never know. But this kind of loudmouthed assheadery is not the right kind of obnoxious. He's a wizfan, one of our own, opposing viewpoints and conversation are what we're here for. We can argue and disagree, but we don't run off our fellow fans. Save that for opposing squads. TAKEITBACK ...

You stuff it, doc -- and if you don't like what I write put me on ignore, as so can milellie111 if he likes.

My initial several responses to m were all welcoming and good-natured -- why don't you go take a look, so you have some context with which to rethink your over the top response to me. I just called him an idiot, not a nice word it's true. Now go reread the words you just treated me to. They make "idiot" seem mild, don't they.

As I say, several times I welcomed mxxx -- but it's become obvious that he isn't here to "argue and disagree" -- he hasn't responded to a single thing anyone has said, all he's done is return with some new wacky claim.

If I had any reason to think he was merely "unobjective" to borrow your neologism, I'd be delighted at his presence. We are all "unobjective." Nor can I "run off our fellow fan". I don't have that power. Nor would I if I did have it. Nor run off the fan of one of those "opposing squads" either.

But that's not what I think; I think he's a troll. In truth, it's best to ignore a troll. So my bad not to have done so. And, hey, if you don't find that my thinking and writing on this forum enhance it, send me a PM and I'll be happy to resign.

As to you Miliellie111, if you can't back up what you say, say something different that you can back up. That'd be better than going away and never coming back. And lets assume too that you're not an idiot. In which case I hope you try harder not to appear as one. I'll try harder not to be so rough on you as well.

Look sir, i'm just a fellow Wizards fan like yourself. No need to call names like "troll" etc. The only difference is that i believe in Mr. Leonsis and Grunfeld and the plan they have for this team. I am seeing results RIGHT NOW!! I am not focused on living in the past. Every team has gone through dark ages. Why should the Wizards be any different? This team has turned the corner and i have pointed out all of the positives to look to the future with optimism. If you want to drown in sorrows and be negative while the team is currently winning, nothing i say will change your mind. So while you moan and whine, i'll cheer for my team.

[Jay81]

Great win beating a team with 2 guys that we passed over for randy foye...mike miller and jan vesely. Kudos to you Mister Grunfeld and congratulations

[Kanyewest]

Great win beating a team with 2 guys that we passed over for randy foye...mike miller and jan vesely. Kudos to you Mister Grunfeld and congratulations

^^ EG did sign Arenas away from them though.

[TGW]

Look sir, i'm just a fellow Wizards fan like yourself. No need to call names like "troll" etc. The only difference is that i believe in Mr. Leonsis and Grunfeld and the plan they have for this team. I am seeing results RIGHT NOW!! I am not focused on living in the past. Every team has gone through dark ages. Why should the Wizards be any different? This team has turned the corner and i have pointed out all of the positives to look to the future with optimism. If you want to drown in sorrows and be negative while the team is currently winning, nothing i say will change your mind. So while you moan and whine, i'll cheer for my team.

That's all well and dandy, but the title of this thread is beyond silly and misguided. The team is .500—unless you consider losing every other game as "winning", you are either being naive, disingenuous, or just a flat-out troll. There's no problem rooting for the team, but to thump your chest with that ridiculous thread title "Proves doubters wrong" is setting yourself up for attack. I also understand why payit calls you a troll—you appear after wins, chest thumping, and then disappear when the team loses. It's almost like you work for the Wizards in some capacity...actually I wouldn't be surprised.

[MikeTheKid]

Great win beating a team with 2 guys that we passed over for randy foye...mike miller and jan vesely. Kudos to you Mister Grunfeld and congratulations

^^ EG did sign Arenas away from them though.

Sorry Kanye I had to lololololol

[MikeTheKid]

Look sir, i'm just a fellow Wizards fan like yourself. No need to call names like "troll" etc. The only difference is that i believe in Mr. Leonsis and Grunfeld and the plan they have for this team. I am seeing results RIGHT NOW!! I am not focused on living in the past. Every team has gone through dark ages. Why should the Wizards be any different? This team has turned the corner and i have pointed out all of the positives to look to the future with optimism. If you want to drown in sorrows and be negative while the team is currently winning, nothing i say will change your mind. So while you moan and whine, i'll cheer for my team.

That's all well and dandy, but the title of this thread is beyond silly and misguided. The team is .500—unless you consider losing every other game as "winning", you are either being naive, disingenuous, or just a flat-out troll. There's no problem rooting for the team, but to thump your chest with that ridiculous thread title "Proves doubters wrong" is setting yourself up for attack. I also understand why payit calls you a troll—you appear after wins, chest thumping, and then disappear when the team loses. It's almost like you work for the Wizards in some capacity...actually I wouldn't be surprised.

TGW always speaks the truth and what this guy doesnt realize is many of us arent always negative we were actually very happy in the offseason with most of our posts, then the product hit the court and Ernie has been Ernie!!!

[leswizards]

Every first round pick that EG has made with the Wizards has either been a bust (OP, Vesely, Singleton, Seraphin), or has taken excessive amount of time to develop (Wall, Young, McGee, Booker). (It is too early to tell which group Beal and Porter fits in). Due to this, I am an EG doubter who wants him gone ASAP, and he has done nothing to prove my doubts wrong.

[DCZards]

As I say, several times I welcomed mxxx -- but it's become obvious that he isn't here to "argue and disagree" -- he hasn't responded to a single thing anyone has said, all he's done is return with some new wacky claim.

Where does it say in the "realgm posting rulebook" that you have to "argue and disagree" or respond to what someone else has said...or else you're an idiot and a troll? I agree that milellie is a little over the top with his optimism and rosy scenario. But, hey, different strokes for different folks.

[dckingsfan]

10 to 1 - posters want Witt and EG gone... Ted needs to make a change to get fans back on the Wizards side - and to begin to draw larger crowds at the Verizon Center.

It is good that there is still 10 percent that still believe in EG. 10 percent still believe the world is flat

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Look sir, i'm just a fellow Wizards fan like yourself. No need to call names like "troll" etc. The only difference is that i believe in Mr. Leonsis and Grunfeld and the plan they have for this team. I am seeing results RIGHT NOW!! I am not focused on living in the past. Every team has gone through dark ages. Why should the Wizards be any different? This team has turned the corner and i have pointed out all of the positives to look to the future with optimism. If you want to drown in sorrows and be negative while the team is currently winning, nothing i say will change your mind. So while you moan and whine, i'll cheer for my team.

Okey dokey, milellie111 -- you're off the hook. Off my hook anyway. You're a fan, you feel you have reason to be happy, you're expressing your happiness, you want to "cheer for my team."

That's all good. I also cheer for the Wizards. I'm also a fan. I'm going to guess I'm much older than you, which would mean that I have a longer time-line into the past with this team -- time spent watching Ernie's Grunfeld's work. Calling for him e.g. to draft Kawhi Leonard and watching him draft Jan Vesely instead. Calling for him to draft Kenneth Faried and watching him draft Chris Singleton instead, calling for him to draft Chandler Parsons and watching him draft (then waive!) Shelvin Mack, calling for him to draft Jae Crowder or Draymond Green and watching him draft Tomas Satoransky, hoping he'd have a chance to nab Kyle O'Quinn and watching him give away the low round 2 pick that would have gotten him for us, and much much more -- that's only the start.

And, thing is, however long I've been a fan (decades) there are people here who've been fans a lot longer than I. But every one of us has watched Ernie's work with attention every year of the decade+ he's been here.

Now that doesn't mean you should hold back on your opinion -- and certainly not on cheering! But it does mean that you might want to hold back on accusing me, as you do above (and many others too) of preferring to "drown in sorrow", "moan and whine", and other such phrases in previous posts. It was that kind of thing, and the repeated iterations of it, that led me and others to think of you as a "troll" -- i.e. just visiting here to rile people up so you could have a laugh at us.

I hope you understand what I'm getting at, and I hope you take it seriously. Please do provide your point of view, I hope you do it frequently. But, even though some of us rough each other up here, keep in mind that we've been at it a little while, we've built up some trust -- when fishercob beats the crap out of me, I just beat the crap out of him in return. Ditto me and hands. Just a couple of examples.

But you showed up out of nowhere calling us moaners, whiners, etc. -- and you were armed w/ a view of the team that didn't evidence much history (at least that's how it seemed to me). Nor did you ever, not even once, engage any point someone made in response to your opinions of the team or posters here. That's why, finally, I boiled over.

As to your opinion that we're "currently winning" -- we're likely to achieve the 7th spot in what has to be the worst Eastern Conference I've seen in all my years of being an NBA fan. We can agree to disagree, but I'm not impressed w/ this "winning."

Sorry to go on so long -- I felt I owed it to you after calling you an idiot. The above is what I really meant to say! That and welcome to the forum. Enjoy your pleasure in this team and its GM, but pay attention to the analysis here all the same if you would.

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Look sir, i'm just a fellow Wizards fan like yourself. No need to call names like "troll" etc. The only difference is that i believe in Mr. Leonsis and Grunfeld and the plan they have for this team. I am seeing results RIGHT NOW!! I am not focused on living in the past. Every team has gone through dark ages. Why should the Wizards be any different? This team has turned the corner and i have pointed out all of the positives to look to the future with optimism. If you want to drown in sorrows and be negative while the team is currently winning, nothing i say will change your mind. So while you moan and whine, i'll cheer for my team.

That's all well and dandy, but the title of this thread is beyond silly and misguided. The team is .500—unless you consider losing every other game as "winning", you are either being naive, disingenuous, or just a flat-out troll. There's no problem rooting for the team, but to thump your chest with that ridiculous thread title "Proves doubters wrong" is setting yourself up for attack. I also understand why payit calls you a troll—you appear after wins, chest thumping, and then disappear when the team loses. It's almost like you work for the Wizards in some capacity...actually I wouldn't be surprised.

Well, I just wrote an extended response. Just popping in here to say that I doubt milellie111 (dang, you could have picked an easier handle! ) works for the Wizards.

Meaning no disrespect whatever, I doubt he's old enough to work for the Wizards!