Wizards Trade for Andre Miller

[pcbothwel]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

I'm a little worried but not much. Wall and Temple don't play together at all anymore. I'm assuming Temple will end up the bench unless Miller is washed up. I'm having a hard time envisioning that Miller would take away from Ariza, Beal, or Webster's minutes.

Exactly. I really think the Pg rotation simply goes like this. When Wall is on the Bench and we need defensive stops/turnovers and a fast pace we go to Temple. When Wall comes out and we need a more methodical and efficient offense we go to Miller

[Nivek]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

Miller and Lawson were good together. I don't see why Miller and Wall can't be. And Temple isn't that good defensively. Miller's a bit of a defensive downgrade from him, but not catastrophic. Miller's offensive benefits more than offsets any defensive dropoff from Temple to Miller.

[DCZards]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

I don't think you'll see much Wall and Miller together...just like you only saw Wall and Temple together when it was for defensive reasons and Temple is still there to team with Wall when the team needs it defensively. I also don't expect to see see Miller and Temple playing together. Of course, an injury to Beal, Webster or JW could change that.

[fishercob]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

Miller hasn't been able to shoot his entire career and has managed to remain a very effective offensive player. I think the 10-12 mpg that Wall and Miller will share the floor with be ok.

The WIzards are 9th in D and 21st in O. Whatever D they gain lose by going from Temple to MIller will be more than offset by the offensive gain, which is the greater area of need.

I don't think it's perfect, but I'm not worried it's going to be a massive disaster.

[dobrojim]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

Miller hasn't been able to shoot his entire career and has managed to remain a very effective offensive player. I think the 10-12 mpg that Wall and Miller will share the floor with be ok.

The WIzards are 9th in D and 21st in O. Whatever D they gain lose by going from Temple to MIller will be more than offset by the offensive gain, which is the greater area of need.

I don't think it's perfect, but I'm not worried it's going to be a massive disaster.

I can't see them sharing the court that much. Maybe 5 mpg. Unless Miller is playing really well.
(edit to add) which would be a good thing.

[Nivek]

I don't think you'll see much Wall and Miller together...just like you only saw Wall and Temple together when it was for defensive reasons and Temple is still there to team with Wall when the team needs it defensively. I also don't expect to see see Miller and Temple playing together. Of course, an injury to Beal, Webster or JW could change that.

I think Wall and Miller will play together for several minutes per game. Miller is so much better than Temple that the Wiz will want him on the floor for more minutes than Temple has been getting.

[dckingsfan]

Classic Ernie.

We're all in, ladies and gentlemen. 6 seed, here we come!

It is a classic Ernie cleaning-up his own mess move...once again....but we are rid of Maynor. Miller is a bit of a d*ck, hopefully he comes-in hungry.

Yes, and he will receive kudos for the move. First he drafts Vesely (ouch), then takes Maynor (double ouch), then fixes it by giving away 2 second round picks...

[truwizfan4evr]

Should we sign Roger mason Jr?

[dobrojim]

1 pick

[dobrojim]

Should we sign Roger mason Jr?

GRJr

[truwizfan4evr]

Should we sign Roger mason Jr?

They kings are expected to buy him out.

[SizzlinSimms]

Classic Ernie.

We're all in, ladies and gentlemen. 6 seed, here we come!

It is a classic Ernie cleaning-up his own mess move...once again....but we are rid of Maynor. Miller is a bit of a d*ck, hopefully he comes-in hungry.

Yes, and he will receive kudos for the move. First he drafts Vesely (ouch), then takes Maynor (double ouch), then fixes it by giving away 2 second round picks...

1 pick*

We also received Kendall Marshall in the Gortat trade, who is now balling in L.A. (Triple ouch?)

[DCZards]

Yes, and he will receive kudos for the move. First he drafts Vesely (ouch), then takes Maynor (double ouch), then fixes it by giving away 2 second round picks...

Wasn't it just one second round pick? And the Zards didn't exactly give that pick away, they did get a much-needed upgrade at back-up PG.

[Dark Faze]

fairly minimal move

I think that's a good sign that Ernie could be gone...if he made major moves I think that would be evidence that Ted is okay with him

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Looks like Vesely, Maynor and two 2nd round picks for Andre Miller.

UPDATED: Reports now are that it's one 2nd rounder. Apparently the one New Orleans owes the Wizards.

If I met EG, I would offer him a trade of my used car.

Classic Bullets/Wizards trade. Young and big for old and small.

Classic Ernie Grunfeld trade. Remove round two pick because according to EG; second round picks rarely stick. (EG sold the pick before DJ Blair was drafted. Spurs a few years earlier got Ginobili in Round 2. Also, Ernie Grunfeld drafted Pecherov in round one the same year Millsap went number 47, in round 2. )

Typical overpay by EG for a veteran.

I bet Grunfeld would by an old, sick horse without speaking to the veterinarian or looking at Xrays, immunizations, etc.

Andre Miller is 38 years old. He was benched and reprimanded by Coach Shaw after getting a DNP-CD. Miller spoke against the coach publicly. Andre Miller might not be a happy camper or a worthy team leader any more. As for his contribution on the court, how's his floor game and mobility? Why do I ask? Because EG is reputedly paying a number 6 lotto pick, 23-year old Jan Vesely, for 38 year old, Andre Miller. He also spent the BAE on Maynor....and instead of receiving a round two, he gives up the pick.



I am not surprised.

At this point I don't want to say short bus. It is extremely obvious that the Wizards are charitable givers. Like the Indians who traded Manhattan for glass baubles.

The Good News: Jan Vesely on Denver can now reinvent his career like Gerald Green with Phoenix. Like Kendall Marshall, Vesely can FINALLY show how good he is. Brian Shaw is a much better coach for a young player like Vesely. Ty Lawson gets up the court in a hurry. Wesley Johnson, Xavier Henry, and Earl Clark all have taken time to find their niche. Vesely is free from the Gulag of close minded, grudge holding, veteran-seeking, myopic coaching and management.

Cassell didn't like Shelvin Mack, but Budenholzer apparently does. I am very confident that Jan Vesely will make good for Brian Shaw.

Eric Maynor will be his old self in short order, is my prediction.

Last of the Good News: Andre Miller is knowledgeable, physical, and just the kind of player to teach Wall toughness--mental toughness. Miller and Nene go way back.

Nobody's gonna miss Maynor, Wizard's Jan, or the pick.

I am glad even if Miller is more of a mentor in Wall's ear than help on the court.



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[Illuminaire]

I'm a little concerned about Miller's potential attitude. He clearly still wants to play starter minutes. He may even be good enough to deserve most of them.

That means he will need to backup both Wall and Beal in order to be happy... a scenario that will require rotational finesse we have rarely seen from Randy. There's potential for this to go sour in the locker room if Miller is getting 12 minutes one night and 25 the next.

Maybe the above is just decades of failure pushing me towards pessimism, lol.

[TGW]

Kind of sad that the Maynor/Vesely era ended, almost before it even began.

[dobrojim]

practically nobody misses Shelvin Mack. He's hardly distinguishing himself.

[Dark Faze]

I'm a little concerned about Miller's potential attitude. He clearly still wants to play starter minutes. He may even be good enough to deserve most of them.

That means he will need to backup both Wall and Beal in order to be happy... a scenario that will require rotational finesse we have rarely seen from Randy. There's potential for this to go sour in the locker room if Miller is getting 12 minutes one night and 25 the next.

Maybe the above is just decades of failure pushing me towards pessimism, lol.

Miller went crazy because he got the first DNP of his career, not because of the actual minutes

He's an absolute upgrade for us so I'm not worried about it

[Zonkerbl]

practically nobody misses Shelvin Mack. He's hardly distinguishing himself.

He's better than Maynor...