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Political Roundtable Part XV

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#101 » by montestewart » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:23 pm

closg00 wrote:The series is annoying because its broken into 17 videos and the music is hilariously cheesy, but it is WELL worth listening-to in your leisure. You really see the pieces of the puzzle connect between what you have been following in the news, and what is contained in the Trump dossier, it all fits.

Oh boy! I hope they release the golden showers video. That will be like taking a flat earther up to the space station. That will be the first episode of Donald Trump's The Dependsless. That will make everyone believe in the healing power of FAKE NEWS! That will be the greatest moment in presidential history.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#102 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:28 pm

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CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!

CNN isn't traditionally considered "Left".

I mean it's left leaning compared to Fox news but that's not saying much.

Now what CNN IS is anti-Trump.

And with good reason imo.


CNN is GARBAGE. It is neither left nor right leaning. It's just crap news appealing to their mouth breathing least common denominator customers. If you want the "truth," go to BBC and Al-Jazeera English for non-American bias. BBC honestly doesn't care what happens in the US, and Al-Jazeera presents the worldwide anti-US view, which I find very educational.

Go to NPR for non-biased but left-leaning topic choice (let's interview this neo-Nazi and find out what motivated him to go march in Charlottesville). Go to, if memory serves, the National Review for non-biased but right-leaning topics (let's list ways to fix US health care that don't involve the public option). The Washington Post is non-biased, but their opinion page is strongly anti-Trump, and they're not too careful about making the distinction between reporting and editorializing.

All the big news purveyors are honest but presenting a biased set of facts, in the sense that they present facts that their consumer base is most interested in. But they are facts. If you want all the facts you have to visit all the sources.

Don't bother with Breitbart if you are having trouble discerning fact from fiction. I've been reading their site lately to see what their reaction is to Trump's bumbling, and what they've started doing is, in addition to sprinkling around blatantly fake news, they also have fact-based reporting, with just one lie per article buried inside. Breitbart's business is propaganda, which is less effective if it looks like propaganda, so they've made a significant effort to make it look like real news. There's similar "news" sources on the left, except instead of using lies they just use inflammatory, biased rhetoric, like the Huffington post. Among those, I'd say Vox is the most honest and least inflammatory, that I'm aware of.

It's hard to read news that contradicts your preconceived notions. It's why we're in the situation we're in now. If you want to train yourself to expose yourself to uncomfortable truths, start with Al-Jazeera. Or the Wall Street Journal opinion section.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#103 » by Wizardspride » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:16 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#104 » by DCZards » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:53 pm

CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!


I agree that CNN is becoming increasingly more left-leaning. Not totally sure what's driving it, but it seems to be spurred in part by Trump's madness and the inability of some CNN to control/hide their dislike of #45.

But there's no comparison between the bias of CNN and that of Fox News. Fox's prime time broadcast features the blatantly biased Sean Hannity. Hannity doesn't pretend to be anything other than a hardcore conservative who has no room for anything other than right-wing opinions and guests on his show. (While Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon may have their left-leaning bias they don't come close to touching the right-wing extremist Hannity.) Hannity is preceded on the air by Tucker Carlson, who is Hannity-lite when it comes to an outright display of right-wing bias.

The only regular on Fox who shows some degree of objectivity, imo, is Shepard Smith.

Another big difference between CNN and Fox is that CNN, especially the Wolf Blitzer Show, will at least give substantial and equal airtime (on an almost daily) to interviews of either a Democratic or Republican members of Congress. You rarely see that on Fox. (Although it could be that Democratic senators and members of the House may decline to appear on Fox.)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#105 » by gtn130 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:47 pm

CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!


Fox News is certainly a mouthpiece for Trump et al, but CNN is not the equivalent on the left. In fact, CNN openly accepts Trump partisans on their show like Jeffrey Lord so that they can show 'both sides' of the argument.

This is NOT a good thing, though, because bringing literal partisans on the show actually worsens discourse by a huge amount - instead of espousing one side of the argument from an intellectual perspective, they instead have political operatives espousing partisan talking points to advance their own agendas. This is terrible, and CNN is a joke.

Instead of watching cable news, you should just read more.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#106 » by gtn130 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:49 pm

DCZards wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!


I agree that CNN is becoming increasingly more left-leaning. Not totally sure what's driving it, but it seems to be spurred in part by Trump's madness and the inability of some CNN to control/hide their dislike of #45.


Ratings.

Look at the top program on TV right now - it's Rachel Maddow.

CNN is super cynical and totally in it for the $$$$$
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#107 » by Wizardspride » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:10 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#108 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:06 pm

hahaha - he is such an idiot... way to obfuscate the issue, sigh.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-mayor-bill-de-blasio-may-take-down-christopher-columbus-statue/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#109 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:09 pm

And speaking of trust in media...

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#110 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:26 pm

one might wonder or want to know how they define 'trust' in such a poll
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#111 » by Wizardspride » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:01 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#112 » by closg00 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:18 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
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Whew!! Steele went into hiding when several key Russian players in the dossier died mysteriously (murdered)
Steele also testified behind closed doors for 10 hours t in-front of one of the committees. I would like to have seen the looks on the faces if the committee members, surely they know that Trumps days are numbered, this is why Corker and others are acting brave now I bet.

Edit: It wasn't Steele who testified, it was Simpson
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#113 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:31 pm

dobrojim wrote:one might wonder or want to know how they define 'trust' in such a poll

Or one might not... even if the questions were subjective (as long as the question(s) were the same - it is a very obvious trend. And you can see that the Rs and independents have very little trust in mass media (which if you talk to any Rs or Is is fairly obvious). I think it is a very good set of data points.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#114 » by FAH1223 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:15 am

DCZards wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!


I agree that CNN is becoming increasingly more left-leaning. Not totally sure what's driving it, but it seems to be spurred in part by Trump's madness and the inability of some CNN to control/hide their dislike of #45.

But there's no comparison between the bias of CNN and that of Fox News. Fox's prime time broadcast features the blatantly biased Sean Hannity. Hannity doesn't pretend to be anything other than a hardcore conservative who has no room for anything other than right-wing opinions and guests on his show. (While Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon may have their left-leaning bias they don't come close to touching the right-wing extremist Hannity.) Hannity is preceded on the air by Tucker Carlson, who is Hannity-lite when it comes to an outright display of right-wing bias.

The only regular on Fox who shows some degree of objectivity, imo, is Shepard Smith.

Another big difference between CNN and Fox is that CNN, especially the Wolf Blitzer Show, will at least give substantial and equal airtime (on an almost daily) to interviews of either a Democratic or Republican members of Congress. You rarely see that on Fox. (Although it could be that Democratic senators and members of the House may decline to appear on Fox.)


CNN isn't left leaning... they rarely feature leftists on their shows. Their guests range from Clinton Dems in the center, to mainstream GOP voices in the center right and the extreme right wing voices on the Hill and elsewhere.

They don't even do reporting on poverty in America. Hell, they don't do any reporting outside of DC palace intrigue. Same with MSNBC which is now hiring Republicans left and right.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#115 » by CobraCommander » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:04 am

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DCZards wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!


I agree that CNN is becoming increasingly more left-leaning. Not totally sure what's driving it, but it seems to be spurred in part by Trump's madness and the inability of some CNN to control/hide their dislike of #45.

But there's no comparison between the bias of CNN and that of Fox News. Fox's prime time broadcast features the blatantly biased Sean Hannity. Hannity doesn't pretend to be anything other than a hardcore conservative who has no room for anything other than right-wing opinions and guests on his show. (While Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon may have their left-leaning bias they don't come close to touching the right-wing extremist Hannity.) Hannity is preceded on the air by Tucker Carlson, who is Hannity-lite when it comes to an outright display of right-wing bias.

The only regular on Fox who shows some degree of objectivity, imo, is Shepard Smith.

Another big difference between CNN and Fox is that CNN, especially the Wolf Blitzer Show, will at least give substantial and equal airtime (on an almost daily) to interviews of either a Democratic or Republican members of Congress. You rarely see that on Fox. (Although it could be that Democratic senators and members of the House may decline to appear on Fox.)


CNN isn't left leaning... they rarely feature leftists on their shows. Their guests range from Clinton Dems in the center, to mainstream GOP voices in the center right and the extreme right wing voices on the Hill and elsewhere.

They don't even do reporting on poverty in America. Hell, they don't do any reporting outside of DC palace intrigue. Same with MSNBC which is now hiring Republicans left and right.


You lost me at CNN isnt left leaning... please define left for those who see CNN as left and Fox as the right. Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper dont even pretend to respect trump and I get it because they represent the left.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#116 » by CobraCommander » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:04 am

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DCZards wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:How can anyone watch CNN or Foxs news!?!?! Both of these "news" channels are essentially mouth pieces for the Left or Right...neither are objective... its almost impossible to find out what the hell actually happen today from watching the news...which is sad. You almost gotta watch both...figure out what they both agree on and then form an opinion based on the overlapping data. honestly the FAKE NEWS is causing people to split into two ignorant and intolerant tribes!


I agree that CNN is becoming increasingly more left-leaning. Not totally sure what's driving it, but it seems to be spurred in part by Trump's madness and the inability of some CNN to control/hide their dislike of #45.


Ratings.

Look at the top program on TV right now - it's Rachel Maddow.

CNN is super cynical and totally in it for the $$$$$


Which is sad because we are going to have to go damn near underground to get the news.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#117 » by CobraCommander » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:10 am

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Wait the conservatives dont want you to have an abortion but they dont want to curb teen pregnancy....hmmmm so does the right secretly wants to either pay more for welfare to the teen moms/parents or do they want more children growing up in poverty???

..ahhh more hypocrisy from the political establishment that cant make up its mind on if its the "Christian right" or the "right to life" or simply morally superior :noway:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#118 » by verbal8 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:12 pm

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..ahhh more hypocrisy from the political establishment that cant make up its mind on if its the "Christian right" or the "right to life" or simply morally superior :noway:


I was pretty sure it isn't the first 2. I thought it might be the third, but with the strong continued support for Trump among conservatives, I guess moral isn't even part of it. I am left with two possibilities lying is no longer considered immoral or it is only about superiority.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#119 » by cammac » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:31 pm

verbal8 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
..ahhh more hypocrisy from the political establishment that cant make up its mind on if its the "Christian right" or the "right to life" or simply morally superior :noway:


I was pretty sure it isn't the first 2. I thought it might be the third, but with the strong continued support for Trump among conservatives, I guess moral isn't even part of it. I am left with two possibilities lying is no longer considered immoral or it is only about superiority.


Its the Sarah Palin effect the worst VP nominee in history and a great soap as a politician until Trump came along.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#120 » by FAH1223 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:01 pm

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You lost me at CNN isnt left leaning... please define left for those who see CNN as left and Fox as the right. Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper dont even pretend to respect trump and I get it because they represent the left.


They're left perhaps on the social end of the spectrum since they're both gay men.

But what I'm talking about is progressive politics. You'll never see CNN talk about white collar crimes. You'll never see them talking about universal healthcare, antitrust policies, renewable energy, lowering tuition, raising people out of poverty.

It's all TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP OMFG WHAT DID HE DO LET'S HAVE A 10 PERSON PANEL TO CROSSTALK LIKE ESPN FIRST TAKE!

It's disgusting. MSNBC is also similar.

What I mean by left is if you watch The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann... that's truly a show which talks about left wing views and he regularly has conservative guests to debate with.
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