Howard signs a 2 year deal for the tax MLE with a player option per Woj

[DCZards]

I wouldn’t make any other moves yet, I would wait and see what Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-(motivated) Howard can do.

We have Oubre as a trade chip, Hell, we have Troy Brown as another trade chip. If Jeff Green plays like he did last season, you have nice wing depth with him, Sato, Porter already.

I would rather keep and develop these guys, but if all goes well, Oubre+Brown+2019 1st is a hell of a trade package around the deadline.

Nah...not trading Brown anytime soon. Kid is going to be a keeper.

[dckingsfan]

Wall 36min Rivers 12min Sato
Beal 36min Rivers 12 min Meeks Brown Sato
Porter 36min Oubre 12min Brown
Morris 24min Green 24min
Howard 24min Mahinmi 24min Bryant Smith

That’s 14 players already, not counting Aaron White or Devin Robinson.

Just helping you here Nat

dckings, I really wish you would refrain from editing/changing other people's post.

[nate33]

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers Meeks
Oubre Brown
Porter Green Morris
Howard Mahinmi Bryant Smith

That’s 14 players already, not counting Aaron White or Devin Robinson.

I don't think Bryant has a guaranteed contract. He could still be cut during training camp. So there are only 13 players who are officially on the roster.

[dckingsfan]

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers Meeks
Oubre Brown
Porter Green Morris
Howard Mahinmi Bryant Smith

That’s 14 players already, not counting Aaron White or Devin Robinson.

Have to believe Oubre is getting traded at some point. We can't afford him. Or can we?

Next summer will be very busy for EG if they don't make a few moves. Sato, J. Smith, Meeks, Oubre, Kieff, Green, Rivers and Howard all have one year deals or one year left on their deals. That leaves Beal, Porter, Brown and Wall. Maybe Bryant.

You forgot Mahimni. We will have $107M tied up in those 4 players.

[NatP4]

Have to believe Oubre is getting traded at some point. We can't afford him. Or can we?

Next summer will be very busy for EG if they don't make a few moves. Sato, J. Smith, Meeks, Oubre, Kieff, Green, Rivers and Howard all have one year deals or one year left on their deals. That leaves Beal, Porter, Brown and Wall. Maybe Bryant.

You forgot Mahimni. We will have $107M tied up in those 4 players.

5 with Brown. Should be about 110 million. Even higher if Sanon comes over, which I don’t think he will for atleast 2 seasons.

But the tax line increased significantly, so it doesn’t look as bad.

[NatP4]

I wouldn’t make any other moves yet, I would wait and see what Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-(motivated) Howard can do.

We have Oubre as a trade chip, Hell, we have Troy Brown as another trade chip. If Jeff Green plays like he did last season, you have nice wing depth with him, Sato, Porter already.

I would rather keep and develop these guys, but if all goes well, Oubre+Brown+2019 1st is a hell of a trade package around the deadline.

Nah...not trading Brown anytime soon. Kid is going to be a keeper.

If he develops, unfortunately, even though Green could be a nice piece, he’s going to take all of Brown’s PT. Hell, if Brooks doesn’t commit to small ball, green could honestly take PT from both Oubre and Brown. You just know, Green and Rivers won’t be receiving DNPs to start the season. You got Green, Rivers, Mahinmi, 2 other bench spots, one of which will receive close to no playing time anyways (will be Sato)

All of it could be shifted perfectly if Morris was simply waived or dumped for nothing

[dckingsfan]

Next summer will be very busy for EG if they don't make a few moves. Sato, J. Smith, Meeks, Oubre, Kieff, Green, Rivers and Howard all have one year deals or one year left on their deals. That leaves Beal, Porter, Brown and Wall. Maybe Bryant.

You forgot Mahimni. We will have $107M tied up in those 4 players.

5 with Brown. Should be about 110 million. Even higher if Sanon comes over, which I don’t think he will for atleast 2 seasons.

But the tax line increased significantly, so it doesn’t look as bad.

True $101M for 2018-19, $108M for 2019-20. So there is that. But like you say, we will be at 110 with 5 players. If you want to bring Sato/Oubre back - I will assume it is because one of them has a really good season. Let's say you get a bargin (10M). Theyn you are at 120 for 6 players. It is going to be very interesting.

[NatP4]

You forgot Mahimni. We will have $107M tied up in those 4 players.

5 with Brown. Should be about 110 million. Even higher if Sanon comes over, which I don’t think he will for atleast 2 seasons.

But the tax line increased significantly, so it doesn’t look as bad.

True $101M for 2018-19, $108M for 2019-20. So there is that. But like you say, we will be at 110 with 5 players. If you want to bring Sato/Oubre back - I will assume it is because one of them has a really good season. Let's say you get a bargin (10M). Theyn you are at 120 for 6 players. It is going to be very interesting.

I think the luxury tax line is over 130 million (can’t remember exact figure) but keeping Oubre and Sato shouldn’t be difficult, it will just be a question of whether or not they really want to lock in on this core, that lacks a young big for the future, Thomas Bryant please be good.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Well I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to see the Howard and Green signings last night. I had convinced myself we were staying pat after the Grunfeeld interview saying he was comfortable with Mahinmi as the starter. I would like to see us sign Lawson, I liked the way he played for us and the tempo he brings off the bench.


From the website CLUTCHPOINTS:

NBAWashington eyeing Jamal Crawford, Ty Lawson, among othersby Danny Smal lJuly 3, 2018 According to Candace Buckner of the Washington Post, the Wizards are eyeing Jamal Crawford, Additionally, Buckner reports that Washington is also interested in veteran point guard Ty Lawson.

But their interest in the veterans on the market indicate their willingness to give this roster a shot to compete in the Eastern Conference. With LeBron James’ departure, the East has completely opened up.

The Wizards are in an odd position. They have a lot of money invested into three players—John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Otto Porter Jr. All three players are excellent, but are they good enough to knock off the likes of the Boston Celtics and the Philadelphia 76ers? Probably not.

But they’re going to give it their best shot.

Of the multiple guys that the Wizards are reportedly targeting, Crawford and Lawson are the best fits. Lawson provided decent minutes off the bench for Washington in the playoffs. Additionally, Crawford is the consummate professional. He’s a veteran that can immediately provide a scoring touch off the bench.

Not to mention, Crawford’s influence around the team may help repair a tumultuous locker room.

[nate33]

Well I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to see the Howard and Green signings last night. I had convinced myself we were staying pat after the Grunfeeld interview saying he was comfortable with Mahinmi as the starter. I would like to see us sign Lawson, I liked the way he played for us and the tempo he brings off the bench.


From the website CLUTCHPOINTS:

NBAWashington eyeing Jamal Crawford, Ty Lawson, among othersby Danny Smal lJuly 3, 2018 According to Candace Buckner of the Washington Post, the Wizards are eyeing Jamal Crawford, Additionally, Buckner reports that Washington is also interested in veteran point guard Ty Lawson.

But their interest in the veterans on the market indicate their willingness to give this roster a shot to compete in the Eastern Conference. With LeBron James’ departure, the East has completely opened up.

The Wizards are in an odd position. They have a lot of money invested into three players—John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Otto Porter Jr. All three players are excellent, but are they good enough to knock off the likes of the Boston Celtics and the Philadelphia 76ers? Probably not.

But they’re going to give it their best shot.

Of the multiple guys that the Wizards are reportedly targeting, Crawford and Lawson are the best fits. Lawson provided decent minutes off the bench for Washington in the playoffs. Additionally, Crawford is the consummate professional. He’s a veteran that can immediately provide a scoring touch off the bench.

Not to mention, Crawford’s influence around the team may help repair a tumultuous locker room.

Brooks and Grunfeld hate Sato.

It makes me so angry. Sato is the perfect guard to pair with Rivers, and he plays well alongside Beal as well. We don't need Lawson or Crawford.

[dckingsfan]

I wouldn’t make any other moves yet, I would wait and see what Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-(motivated) Howard can do.

We have Oubre as a trade chip, Hell, we have Troy Brown as another trade chip. If Jeff Green plays like he did last season, you have nice wing depth with him, Sato, Porter already.

I would rather keep and develop these guys, but if all goes well, Oubre+Brown+2019 1st is a hell of a trade package around the deadline.

Nah...not trading Brown anytime soon. Kid is going to be a keeper.

If he develops, unfortunately, even though Green could be a nice piece, he’s going to take all of Brown’s PT. Hell, if Brooks doesn’t commit to small ball, green could honestly take PT from both Oubre and Brown. You just know, Green and Rivers won’t be receiving DNPs to start the season. You got Green, Rivers, Mahinmi, 2 other bench spots, one of which will receive close to no playing time anyways (will be Sato)

All of it could be shifted perfectly if Morris was simply waived or dumped for nothing

I think there is absolutely no chance that Brooks commits to small ball after these off-season signings, no? Think about it - he is going to have to play Dwight/Mahinmi - no problem there. But then he has Green/Morris. He LOVES Morris. And he isn't going to NOT play Green - it just isn't going to happen. So, I see no way that he doesn't have a Dwight/Morris and Mahimni/Green rotation.

The guys that will be out of playing time with the recent signings will be Sato/Brown. He has no faith in Sato and will play Rivers at the backup PG unless things get really bad. And he is going to play Rivers/Oubre ahead of Brown, no?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Green was a nice add to replace Scott. All we need Howard to do is rebound, dunk, and defend the lane, all of which he excels at. And with Mahinmi and Morris he won't get worn down with overuse.

Imagining...

Starting
Howard, Morris, Porter, Beal, Wall

2nd unit
Mahinmi, Green, Oubre, Rivers, Lawson

Rest of bench
Smith, Bryant, Brown, Meeks, Satoransky

Plus all the lineup combos we can mix and match, small ball etc...

Morris, Porter, Oubre, Beal, Wall
Green, Oubre, Beal, Wall, Lawson
Morris, Porter, Beal, Rivers, Wall
Howard, Porter, Oubre, Wall, Lawson
Etc..

[dckingsfan]

Well I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to see the Howard and Green signings last night. I had convinced myself we were staying pat after the Grunfeeld interview saying he was comfortable with Mahinmi as the starter. I would like to see us sign Lawson, I liked the way he played for us and the tempo he brings off the bench.


From the website CLUTCHPOINTS:

NBAWashington eyeing Jamal Crawford, Ty Lawson, among othersby Danny Smal lJuly 3, 2018 According to Candace Buckner of the Washington Post, the Wizards are eyeing Jamal Crawford, Additionally, Buckner reports that Washington is also interested in veteran point guard Ty Lawson.

But their interest in the veterans on the market indicate their willingness to give this roster a shot to compete in the Eastern Conference. With LeBron James’ departure, the East has completely opened up.

The Wizards are in an odd position. They have a lot of money invested into three players—John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Otto Porter Jr. All three players are excellent, but are they good enough to knock off the likes of the Boston Celtics and the Philadelphia 76ers? Probably not.

But they’re going to give it their best shot.

Of the multiple guys that the Wizards are reportedly targeting, Crawford and Lawson are the best fits. Lawson provided decent minutes off the bench for Washington in the playoffs. Additionally, Crawford is the consummate professional. He’s a veteran that can immediately provide a scoring touch off the bench.

Not to mention, Crawford’s influence around the team may help repair a tumultuous locker room.

Brooks and Grunfeld hate Sato.

It makes me so angry. Sato is the perfect guard to pair with Rivers, and he plays well alongside Beal as well. We don't need Lawson or Crawford.

I don't think Sato gets many minutes even if we don't sign Lawson or Crawford - but if we do, I can't see them NOT trading Sato, no?

[payitforward]

It's nice to see you guys feeling positive about the season. Howard will certainly help -- he has to be the biggest rent-a-player bargain in a long long time!

The guys gone from last year (Gortat, Scott, Frazier, Sessions & McCullough) played @4600 minutes. We've definitely replaced those minutes:

John Wall was down @ 1000 minutes due to injury, meaning that the @1100 minutes that went to Frazier/Sessions should go to him. An improvement, obviously!

Gortat played 2075 minutes. Howard will play those -- & maybe a couple hundred more, taking those minutes from Mahinmi. In all, definitely should be more productive.

Green is in for Scott's 1400 minutes. A wash.

I'm giving McCullough's 90 minutes to Thomas Bryant, ok?

We've also added Austin Rivers. Where do his minutes come from?

For starters, Brad played too many much last year -- 2977 minutes. That was 4th highest in the league & only 49 minutes less than LeBron who was first. That may account for some of his fall off from the previous year & for some non-stellar late-season performances as well. I'd rather see him play 400 fewer minutes. Meeks will be gone the first 25 games. It doesn't look like it'd be hard for Rivers to play 1500+ minutes on the season.

You have to hope that Rivers doesn't take minutes from Satoransky or Oubre.

Despite my dissatisfaction with the draft & the general failure to add enough guys with an upside who are actually going to be Wizards for a while, it does look like we haven't gotten worse for this season. With the addition of Howard, we'll be reasonably sure to make the playoffs.

Ernie has kicked the can down the road another year.

[payitforward]

Thinking just a little more long-term:

By next year this time, Ernie will likely have traded either Porter or Beal (more likely Otto) & maybe have sacrificed a R1 pick to move Mahinmi as well. In that case, depending on what we've gotten back for Otto, we'll be able to re-sign Oubre & Satoransky.

If Brown develops quickly, plus Robinson actually can play in the NBA, plus we've kept Penava who continues to develop, why then -- given how terrific I expect Thomas Bryant to be by then -- we should be interesting to watch. Not a force in the EC, & not a title contender, but a middle of the road NBA team. Sort of like what we are now.

[nate33]

Nah...not trading Brown anytime soon. Kid is going to be a keeper.

If he develops, unfortunately, even though Green could be a nice piece, he’s going to take all of Brown’s PT. Hell, if Brooks doesn’t commit to small ball, green could honestly take PT from both Oubre and Brown. You just know, Green and Rivers won’t be receiving DNPs to start the season. You got Green, Rivers, Mahinmi, 2 other bench spots, one of which will receive close to no playing time anyways (will be Sato)

All of it could be shifted perfectly if Morris was simply waived or dumped for nothing

I think there is absolutely no chance that Brooks commits to small ball after these off-season signings, no? Think about it - he is going to have to play Dwight/Mahinmi - no problem there. But then he has Green/Morris. He LOVES Morris. And he isn't going to NOT play Green - it just isn't going to happen. So, I see no way that he doesn't have a Dwight/Morris and Mahimni/Green rotation.

The guys that will be out of playing time with the recent signings will be Sato/Brown. He has no faith in Sato and will play Rivers at the backup PG unless things get really bad. And he is going to play Rivers/Oubre ahead of Brown, no?

By the end of last season, Brooks had grown pretty comfortable with benching Mahinmi and playing Morris at center. I hope and expect him to do the same this year, which should free up more PF minutes for Porter to play there a bit, which gives Oubre more minutes.

I don't really think Brown is going to play that much in his rookie year, not unless he can learn to hit 3's.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I wouldn't worry about playing time, you can always count on having some injuries during an 82 game schedule. Most guys will get bumped up in the rotation at some point.

[nate33]

It's nice to see you guys feeling positive about the season. Howard will certainly help -- he has to be the biggest rent-a-player bargain in a long long time!

The guys gone from last year (Gortat, Scott, Frazier, Sessions & McCullough) played @4600 minutes. We've definitely replaced those minutes:

John Wall was down @ 1000 minutes due to injury, meaning that the @1100 minutes that went to Frazier/Sessions should go to him. An improvement, obviously!

Gortat played 2075 minutes. Howard will play those -- & maybe a couple hundred more, taking those minutes from Mahinmi. In all, definitely should be more productive.

Green is in for Scott's 1400 minutes. A wash.

I'm giving McCullough's 90 minutes to Thomas Bryant, ok?

We've also added Austin Rivers. Where do his minutes come from?

For starters, Brad played too many much last year -- 2977 minutes. That was 4th highest in the league & only 49 minutes less than LeBron who was first. That may account for some of his fall off from the previous year & for some non-stellar late-season performances as well. I'd rather see him play 400 fewer minutes. Meeks will be gone the first 25 games. It doesn't look like it'd be hard for Rivers to play 1500+ minutes on the season.

You have to hope that Rivers doesn't take minutes from Satoransky or Oubre.

Despite my dissatisfaction with the draft & the general failure to add enough guys with an upside who are actually going to be Wizards for a while, it does look like we haven't gotten worse for this season. With the addition of Howard, we'll be reasonably sure to make the playoffs.

Ernie has kicked the can down the road another year.

Brooks should play Rivers in place of Beal just during the last 4 minutes of every 4th quarter. It would shave 330 minutes off of Brad's minutes total, and presumably Rivers will shoot better than the roughly 12% FG% that Brad shot down the stretch of games. If we're just gonna run iso-ball down the stretch, we may as well play the better isolation scorer.

[nate33]

Thinking just a little more long-term:

By next year this time, Ernie will likely have traded either Porter or Beal (more likely Otto) & maybe have sacrificed a R1 pick to move Mahinmi as well.

I don't see why you think this. Ted has shown that he is willing to exceed the luxtax a bit, and projections are that the 2019/20 luxtax threshold will be quite a bit higher than what we expected 6 months ago - probably around $135M.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I think the luxury tax line is over 130 million (can’t remember exact figure) but keeping Oubre and Sato shouldn’t be difficult, it will just be a question of whether or not they really want to lock in on this core, that lacks a young big for the future, Thomas Bryant please be good.

The projected tax line for 2019-20 is 131 million. Keeping Oubre and Sato is easy. Keeping them without moving other salary, staying under the lux tax, and not filling out the roster with a bunch of minimum salary players for spots 7 through 15 is much harder. Keep in mind that more teams are going to have cap room and the cap itself will be higher, which should drive up contracts a bit. So with that in mind, let's take a look at what some players are getting in a much worse market this offseason.

Avery Bradley- 25/2
Fred Van Vleet - 18/2
Will Barton - 50/4
Joe Harris - 18/2
Trevor Ariza - 16/1
Doug McDermott - 22/3
KCP - 12/1

If you go by some of these comparibles, Sato and Oubre should reasonably cost $10 million a year (basically an MLE deal) as a low end in an offseason with more competition and a higher cap - most of these signings were lower end short-term contracts to allow players to hit the market in a more player-friendly offseason. If Oubre and/or Sato come cheaper, it means they haven't improved and are pretty bad overall and the team may not be as helped by keeping them as it seems at this point. And keep in mind, with the projected tax line at $131 million, and $107.6 million already set for 4 players, the Wizards have ~$23.4 million for 10 roster spots if they want to stay under the tax (assuming they go with 14 players under contract rather than 15). That means, again, with 14 players under contract, the remaining 10 players need to average ~$2.3 million per player to stay under the tax an amount not too much higher than the actual minimum salary for that year. The Wizards are helped a bit by Troy Brown and any picks they might make next season, but the Wizards aren't really dripping in draft picks to stockpile cheap depth with. If either Oubre or Sato truly break out Otto Porter style, keeping that breakout player might easily put the Wizards into the tax.