Political Roundtable Part XXII

[stilldropin20]

They moved back to Trump Tower once it was swept for bugs.

How do you feel about Q?

He's probably a troll doing it for the lulz.

I don't really pay much attention to him, only what occasionally comes up in some other message boards and twitter feeds I follow. I don't really understand the motive for a Trump insider to be delivering secret messages to folks on the Chans. For what purpose?

That said, there is some reason to believe that he (or possibly one of several people representing themselves as Q) may actually be a Trump administration insider. At one point, Q indicated that Trump would use a certain word in his next Tweet, and sure enough, Trump did. But that was a while ago.

Overall, I don't buy the elaborate conspiracy theory that Trump has some kind of master plan to bait all the bad actors from the Deep State into revealing themselves, and then the military will round them all up somehow in a great purge. It's impossible to maintain a conspiracy of that magnitude without word leaking out.

yeah that aint gonna happen unfortunately...but sessins will be fired after the midterms so long as R's still have senate and regain a few seats with trumpsters. Which is likely. then the real investigations will begin. going all the way back to 2009 uranium one and the clinton foundations and tying it all together with this deep state bull crap from 2016 until today.

Expose. it. all. Please!!!!

[Kanyewest]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/jeff-sessions-pushes-back-against-trump-actions-of-doj-will-not-be-improperly-influenced-by-political-considerations.html
I guess Trump is going to get rid of Sessions

[Ruzious]

President Trump on Wednesday afternoon:








Donald Trump Wednesday night:

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When all else fails...rile up your base with unrelated, irrelevant race baiting.

A fiction writer couldn't make this stuff up. It's literally unbelievable, yet he really said white farmers in his tweet. UFB. Objectively, this is pure evil. Do people seriously not get that?

[Ruzious]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/jeff-sessions-pushes-back-against-trump-actions-of-doj-will-not-be-improperly-influenced-by-political-considerations.html
I guess Trump is going to get rid of Sessions

Sessions is garbage, and Trump has somehow made him into an almost sympathetic figure in comparison.

[verbal8]

It's not gonna happen people. Frankly, I'm amazed at just how clean Trump really is.

In your opinion, how would Trump act if he was guilty?

Depends on what he is guilty of.

So you are open to him the possibility he has committed crimes not related to Russia and the election?

If he was guilty of collaborating with the Russians, I would have expected him to shut down the SC investigation months ago and risk impeachment while Republicans have a firm control on Congress.

Isn't he trying to do the same thing by whining at/about Jeff Sessions? If Session caves and shuts down or obstructs the SC - he gets the desired result of a guilty party - without the obvious obstruction of justice.

He attacks the validity of the investigation. Why would an innocent person do that?

I also would have expected him to be more adversarial to Putin at the press conference.

Trump isn't honest about much, but it seems he can't resist embracing those he sees on his side or attack those who he sees as against him.

[stilldropin20]

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[closg00]

Michael Cohen lied about going to the Czech Republic which was discussed in the Steele Dossier.

Lanny Davis, Cohen's attorney, would disagree with that statement:

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So you guys are going to cherry pick when Cohen is or isn’t being truthful? Is Cohen truthful that Trump directed him to pay-off the hoes? Davis also indicated that Cohen DOES have information for Mueller. I am very curious about Prague since there was a media report that places Cohen there.

[nate33]

In your opinion, how would Trump act if he was guilty?

Depends on what he is guilty of.

So you are open to him the possibility he has committed crimes not related to Russia and the election?

WTF?

You are the one who established this hypothetical. I'm merely trying to answer your question.

If he was guilty of collaborating with the Russians, I would have expected him to shut down the SC investigation months ago and risk impeachment while Republicans have a firm control on Congress.

Isn't he trying to do the same thing by whining at/about Jeff Sessions? If Session caves and shuts down or obstructs the SC - he gets the desired result of a guilty party - without the obvious obstruction of justice.

He attacks the validity of the investigation. Why would an innocent person do that?

Because the investigation is a witch hunt. It's an investigation in search of an actual crime. This is not how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic. If you sick the full power of the government on nearly any individual, and investigate long enough, you are likely to find a crime eventually. This is exactly what happened with the Stormy Daniels non-disclosure agreement being transformed into a campaign finance violation.

I also would have expected him to be more adversarial to Putin at the press conference.

Trump isn't honest about much, but it seems he can't resist embracing those he sees on his side or attack those who he sees as against him.

Convenient. You are establishing a narrative that, no matter what Trump does, he is behaving like a guilty person. If he was hostile to Putin, you would say he must be overcompensating for the crimes he has committed.

[nate33]

President Trump on Wednesday afternoon:








Donald Trump Wednesday night:

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When all else fails...rile up your base with unrelated, irrelevant race baiting.

A fiction writer couldn't make this stuff up. It's literally unbelievable, yet he really said white farmers in his tweet. UFB. Objectively, this is pure evil. Do people seriously not get that?

Pure evil?

Is it not true that the South African government is seizing the property of white farmers, specifically because they're white? Isn't this an anti-white policy? And if so, why in the hell is it "pure evil" to point it out? How is this any different from the German economic discrimination against Jews in Nazi Germany?

(That said, I agree the purpose for the timing of the tweet is to distract.)

[dckingsfan]

Hmmm, so now NC, (D) Insko has tabled her single-payer bill. After an assessment from the NC LFR estimating the cost of single-payer at $70B, $42B would have to come from the state - er, that would double the state budget. Vermont of course was the first one to table the single payer initiative.

Have you noticed that the Single Payer crowd isn't mentioning State costs? Hmmmm… I wonder where the burden of free higher ed would fall - another unfunded mandate perhaps?

[Ruzious]

President Trump on Wednesday afternoon:








Donald Trump Wednesday night:






When all else fails...rile up your base with unrelated, irrelevant race baiting.

A fiction writer couldn't make this stuff up. It's literally unbelievable, yet he really said white farmers in his tweet. UFB. Objectively, this is pure evil. Do people seriously not get that?

Pure evil?

Is it not true that the South African government is seizing the property of white farmers, specifically because they're white? Isn't this an anti-white policy? And if so, why in the hell is it "pure evil" to point it out? How is this any different from the German economic discrimination against Jews in Nazi Germany?

(That said, I agree the purpose for the timing of the tweet is to distract.)

But far worse than using it as a distraction is sending a message to the lowest of his core groups - the white supremacists - that he's serving the rights of the whites - here and around the world. He's doing it bold-faced - intentionally driving a spike through race relations in the US. Intentionally mocking folks that care about race relations.

[Wizardspride]

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Wow, serious pressure must have come from somewhere, GA was looking really bad. Will all polls be opened?

[Pointgod]

But here's the question that I have to ask yet again - why are trump supporters trying to defend this? why can't the american people call balls and strikes as they come? this is bad. call it bad. there's not much more to it.

That's easy and I know you know it too.

Tribalism.

The same thing that allows Levin to claim that illegal campaign contributions aren't illegal
(why did Cohen plead if they weren't illegal?)
when we can be all but certain if HRC had done this, the Russo-GOP House would have
already been called back into session to draw up articles of impeachment.

We have lost the ability to evaluate behavior prior to knowing if the behavior
we're evaluating was done by someone in or outside of our own tribe.

Truth can only be determined if we know the orientation of the source.

Let's call a spade a spade. It's not we it's the right wing and the idiots that believe right wing media bull. It's not the left wing that's completely lost its mind yo the point where they believe that a lawyer would plead guilty to "fake" charges. The problem is and always will be Republican tribalism. Not Democrat, not Independent.

[Sedale Threatt]

A fiction writer couldn't make this stuff up. It's literally unbelievable, yet he really said white farmers in his tweet. UFB. Objectively, this is pure evil. Do people seriously not get that?

Pure evil?

Is it not true that the South African government is seizing the property of white farmers, specifically because they're white? Isn't this an anti-white policy? And if so, why in the hell is it "pure evil" to point it out? How is this any different from the German economic discrimination against Jews in Nazi Germany?

(That said, I agree the purpose for the timing of the tweet is to distract.)

But far worse than using it as a distraction is sending a message to the lowest of his core groups - the white supremacists - that he's serving the rights of the whites - here and around the world. He's doing it bold-faced - intentionally driving a spike through race relations in the US. Intentionally mocking folks that care about race relations.

It's not even just white supremacists. It's white Americans who form his base, period. This sums it up quite nicely:

White nationalists win by activating white panic, by frightening a sufficient number of white people into believing that their safety and livelihoods can only be protected by defining American citizenship in racial terms, and by convincing them that American politics is a zero-sum game in which white people only win when people of color lose. While this dynamic has always been present in American politics, it has been decades since the White House has been occupied by a president who so visibly delights in exploiting it, aided by a right-wing media infrastructure that has come to see it as a ratings strategy. (PERSONAL ASIDE: See the farce that is the NFL anthem "debate.") It is not just the white nationalists who win when racialized fears surrounding crime, immigration, and terrorism shape the political behavior of white voters. Donald Trump also wins. And both the Trump White House and the men who rallied in Charlottesville for the cause of white power know it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/

Case in point with this latest thing. Carlson does a segment pandering to Fox News' frightened white audience, Trump tweets about it even though it has absolutely F-all to do with anything he needs to be focused on and, wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! We're off to the races.

It's a self-perpetuating stew of toxicity, race baiting and fear mongering that benefits all parties involved.

[Zonkerbl]

The Clinton witch Hunt was an investigation looking for a crime. The Mueller investigation is looking into crimes Trump admitted to - boasted about! - on national TV.

[stilldropin20]

A fiction writer couldn't make this stuff up. It's literally unbelievable, yet he really said white farmers in his tweet. UFB. Objectively, this is pure evil. Do people seriously not get that?

Pure evil?

Is it not true that the South African government is seizing the property of white farmers, specifically because they're white? Isn't this an anti-white policy? And if so, why in the hell is it "pure evil" to point it out? How is this any different from the German economic discrimination against Jews in Nazi Germany?

(That said, I agree the purpose for the timing of the tweet is to distract.)

But far worse than using it as a distraction is sending a message to the lowest of his core groups - the white supremacists - that he's serving the rights of the whites - here and around the world. He's doing it bold-faced - intentionally driving a spike through race relations in the US. Intentionally mocking folks that care about race relations.

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you goin up against jimmy ma'apha'a brown!!?/ really . jimmy brown!!! maybe jimmy know sumptn you dont!???

[TGW]

The Clinton witch Hunt was an investigation looking for a crime. The Mueller investigation is looking into crimes Trump admitted to - boasted about! - on national TV.

LOL at the Clinton witchhunt. You're such a partisan hack, it's pathetic.

[barelyawake]

Pure evil?

Is it not true that the South African government is seizing the property of white farmers, specifically because they're white? Isn't this an anti-white policy? And if so, why in the hell is it "pure evil" to point it out? How is this any different from the German economic discrimination against Jews in Nazi Germany?

(That said, I agree the purpose for the timing of the tweet is to distract.)

But far worse than using it as a distraction is sending a message to the lowest of his core groups - the white supremacists - that he's serving the rights of the whites - here and around the world. He's doing it bold-faced - intentionally driving a spike through race relations in the US. Intentionally mocking folks that care about race relations.

Read on Twitter

you goin up against jimmy ma'apha'a brown!!?/ really . jimmy brown!!! maybe jimmy know sumptn you dont!???

Yes, everyone is scared of the women beating, Nixon supporter, who spoke against King repeatedly. That’s the guy we should follow.