Political Roundtable Part XXVI

[JWizmentality]

You're never going to convince these idiots with their narrow minded beliefs about baby killing, you just have to write them off as misguided morons.

Bottom line.

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Children are being shot in our schools and this administration rips babies and children away from their parents at the border. And keeps them in cages.

You don't care. Never have and never will.

[montestewart]

Ease up on the name calling (moron, etc.) and characterizing each other as less moral because of opinions. I don't see anyone convincing da1 of anything regarding abortion, and exasperation over the disconnect is starting to sound like mutual trolling.

Let's talk about something lighter, like Trump dropping hints that his supporters want him elected emperor for life, and how his advocacy for a reactionary, reductionist, retrogressive, American Faschistyland driven by newspeak interpretation of a truly living Constitution straight out of It's Alive will eventually destroy democracy, our country, and our planet. No babies left to save, no adults left to save them, abortion doctors and their assassins, Pro Choice and Pro Life, roasting together in the inferno, melding in a molten morass of Trump support imploding on itself and its planet. No wonder he wants to go to Mars. It's a zero sum game to him.

[JWizmentality]

Ease up on the name calling (moron, etc.) and characterizing each other as less moral because of opinions. I don't see anyone convincing da1 of anything regarding abortion, and exasperation over the disconnect is starting to sound like mutual trolling.

Let's talk about something lighter, like Trump dropping hints that his supporters want him elected emperor for life, and how his advocacy for a reactionary, reductionist, retrogressive, American Faschistyland driven by newspeak interpretation of a truly living Constitution straight out of It's Alive will eventually destroy democracy, our country, and our planet. No babies left to save, no adults left to save them, abortion doctors and their assassins, Pro Choice and Pro Life, roasting together in the inferno, melding in a molten morass of Trump support imploding on itself and its planet. No wonder he wants to go to Mars. It's a zero sum game to him.

I will never stop calling out the rancid hypocrisy of the pro-life right. They have never cared about children. The religious right in this country is beginning to resemble the Taliban more and more every day. Trump will go eventually but we'll live with his ideology and brain dead followers for decades. They are much bigger issue than Trump himself. He was merely an antigen to the disease.

[Ruzious]

Ease up on the name calling (moron, etc.) and characterizing each other as less moral because of opinions. I don't see anyone convincing da1 of anything regarding abortion, and exasperation over the disconnect is starting to sound like mutual trolling.

Let's talk about something lighter, like Trump dropping hints that his supporters want him elected emperor for life, and how his advocacy for a reactionary, reductionist, retrogressive, American Faschistyland driven by newspeak interpretation of a truly living Constitution straight out of It's Alive will eventually destroy democracy, our country, and our planet. No babies left to save, no adults left to save them, abortion doctors and their assassins, Pro Choice and Pro Life, roasting together in the inferno, melding in a molten morass of Trump support imploding on itself and its planet. No wonder he wants to go to Mars. It's a zero sum game to him.

Or Trump having his own pollsters fired after they came up with negative poll results.

[Ruzious]

You're never going to convince these idiots with their narrow minded beliefs about baby killing, you just have to write them off as misguided morons.

Bottom line.

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Except your logic is messed up there. Having a heart has nothing to do with your point of view. You don't seriously believe that your point of view makes you morally superior, do you?

[daoneandonly]

You're never going to convince these idiots with their narrow minded beliefs about baby killing, you just have to write them off as misguided morons.

Bottom line.

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Children are being shot in our schools and this administration rips babies and children away from their parents at the border. And keeps them in cages.

You don't care. Never have and never will.

Says who? You, that proves absolutely nothing

People are getting shot all over the country, not just schools, and yet it's your side that thinks the people doing the shooting should be allowed to vote in prison and that the prisons are unnecessarily overcrowded. Don't act like you care about them at age 10, 12, 15 when you don't care about them in the womb. The only people I dont care about are criminals, and the likes of AOC, Sanders, Kamala, etc.

[Ruzious]

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Children are being shot in our schools and this administration rips babies and children away from their parents at the border. And keeps them in cages.

You don't care. Never have and never will.

Says who? You, that proves absolutely nothing

People are getting shot all over the country, not just schools, and yet it's your side that thinks the people doing the shooting should be allowed to vote in prison and that the prisons are unnecessarily overcrowded. Don't act like you care about them at age 10, 12, 15 when you don't care about them in the womb. The only people I dont care about are criminals, and the likes of AOC, Sanders, Kamala, etc.

When you start conflating issues that really have nothing to do with each other - especially when the original issue is far more important then the ones you introduce - it makes it seem like... ya got nuthin, and you're just throwing things against the wall hoping that something will stick. Just trying to help.

[daoneandonly]

You're never going to convince these idiots with their narrow minded beliefs about baby killing, you just have to write them off as misguided morons.

Bottom line.

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Except your logic is messed up there. Having a heart has nothing to do with your point of view. You don't seriously believe that your point of view makes you morally superior, do you?

Not all Ruz, I'm not better than anyone, like not even close. But I'm also not calling people idiots, moron, etc for having their particular stance. And many of those who do so, criticize Trump for behaving as a high schooler.

[Ruzious]

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Except your logic is messed up there. Having a heart has nothing to do with your point of view. You don't seriously believe that your point of view makes you morally superior, do you?

Not all Ruz, I'm not better than anyone, like not even close. But I'm also not calling people idiots, moron, etc for having their particular stance. And many of those who do so, criticize Trump for behaving as a high schooler.

I appreciate that, but as for Trump, if he acted like a HSer, that'd be a nice improvement. The way he treats people who don't kiss up to him is just not acceptible for anyone - much less the President.

[daoneandonly]

Children are being shot in our schools and this administration rips babies and children away from their parents at the border. And keeps them in cages.

You don't care. Never have and never will.

Says who? You, that proves absolutely nothing

People are getting shot all over the country, not just schools, and yet it's your side that thinks the people doing the shooting should be allowed to vote in prison and that the prisons are unnecessarily overcrowded. Don't act like you care about them at age 10, 12, 15 when you don't care about them in the womb. The only people I dont care about are criminals, and the likes of AOC, Sanders, Kamala, etc.

When you start conflating issues that really have nothing to do with each other - especially when the original issue is far more important then the ones you introduce - it makes it seem like... ya got nuthin, and you're just throwing things against the wall hoping that something will stick. Just trying to help.

I hear you, and I dont mind any back & forth with you and dob because its just that, a debate. Unlike the other 2 who just simply want to insult people for having a different vantage point.

But I dont see how its conflating, prison and their rights has way more to do with the people doing the shooting than than abortion does, which was brought up for some reason. But feel free to share your thoughts on this

[daoneandonly]

Except your logic is messed up there. Having a heart has nothing to do with your point of view. You don't seriously believe that your point of view makes you morally superior, do you?

Not all Ruz, I'm not better than anyone, like not even close. But I'm also not calling people idiots, moron, etc for having their particular stance. And many of those who do so, criticize Trump for behaving as a high schooler.

I appreciate that, but as for Trump, if he acted like a HSer, that'd be a nice improvement. The way he treats people who don't kiss up to him is just not acceptible for anyone - much less the President.

I'll give you kudos and an and1 for that

[Ruzious]

Not all Ruz, I'm not better than anyone, like not even close. But I'm also not calling people idiots, moron, etc for having their particular stance. And many of those who do so, criticize Trump for behaving as a high schooler.

I appreciate that, but as for Trump, if he acted like a HSer, that'd be a nice improvement. The way he treats people who don't kiss up to him is just not acceptible for anyone - much less the President.

I'll give you kudos and an and1 for that

Right back at you.

[JWizmentality]

So people who disagree with you because they have a conscious and heart for the voiceless are idiots and narrow minded, kind of the pot calling the kettle black there

Children are being shot in our schools and this administration rips babies and children away from their parents at the border. And keeps them in cages.

You don't care. Never have and never will.

Says who? You, that proves absolutely nothing

People are getting shot all over the country, not just schools, and yet it's your side that thinks the people doing the shooting should be allowed to vote in prison and that the prisons are unnecessarily overcrowded. Don't act like you care about them at age 10, 12, 15 when you don't care about them in the womb. The only people I dont care about are criminals, and the likes of AOC, Sanders, Kamala, etc.

Not a single democrat has proposed having mass murderers vote. This is why I can't have a discussion with you. You are so hopelessly misinformed on almost every single issue, that I spend so much time correcting you that the main point eventually gets lost in translation. Conservative media has so turned your brain to mush that you can't even debate the simplest nuance in any argument whether it's voting rights for prisoners or why a woman should have control over her body. Everything quickly devolves into hyperbole, Democrats wants mass murderers to vote! Democrats are baby killers!!

Like my pastor said a couple weeks ago. A lot of you "Christians" are going to be surprised how hot it is in heaven.

[daoneandonly]

Children are being shot in our schools and this administration rips babies and children away from their parents at the border. And keeps them in cages.

You don't care. Never have and never will.

Says who? You, that proves absolutely nothing

People are getting shot all over the country, not just schools, and yet it's your side that thinks the people doing the shooting should be allowed to vote in prison and that the prisons are unnecessarily overcrowded. Don't act like you care about them at age 10, 12, 15 when you don't care about them in the womb. The only people I dont care about are criminals, and the likes of AOC, Sanders, Kamala, etc.

Not a single democrat has proposed having mass murderers vote. This is why I can't have a discussion with you. You are so hopelessly misinformed on almost every single issue, that I spend so much time correcting you that the main point eventually gets lost in translation. Conservative media has so turned your brain to mush that you can't even debate the simplest nuance in any argument whether it's voting rights for prisoners or why a woman should have control over her body.

Like my pastor said a couple weeks ago. A lot of you "Christians" are going to be surprised how hot it is in heaven.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-calls-voting-rights-prisoners-2019-4

So yeah not a single democrat, keep talking nonsense and lies to make your argument appear better when one of the leading Democrats in the 2020 race has called for such a thing.

[UcanUwill]

what are your thoughts on this John Oliver video? But caution, if you dont know, he is very anti Trump and anti conservative most of the time

Watch on YouTube

[dobrojim]

Implicit support of separating children from parents and putting them in cages has the ring
of 'kicking down' if you ask me.

Your position that a living breathing baby has the same moral status as a fetus of undetermined
gestational age is the equivalent of acting in extremis to save a freezer with 500 fertilized embryos
instead of a single baby in a baby carriage. I honestly don't think you would actually act in that
way, but you're arguing as though you would and that that would be good and proper.
That's an argument in bad faith.

Thing is I didn't and still don't support that, never praised the administration for it and thought it was a heartless act, because again, a child is innocent, not just ones that pass through a birth canal.

I'm truly glad to hear you don't approve of family separations or jailing children. That said, while possibly
being the worst example of anti-life policy, it is definitely not the only one, by a long shot.
This admin is a horror shop of bad policies towards families and children.

And I'll note that you didn't address the longer point I made...that in extremis, you would
(hopefully) save a living breathing baby before you would save a freezer full of fertilized embryos.
This is a position completely at odds with the absolutist stance you are taking by calling pro-choicers
baby killers. That's why I suggest and believe you are arguing in bad faith. If push came to shove,
(I hope) you would act contrary to what you are now saying.

[daoneandonly]

Implicit support of separating children from parents and putting them in cages has the ring
of 'kicking down' if you ask me.

Your position that a living breathing baby has the same moral status as a fetus of undetermined
gestational age is the equivalent of acting in extremis to save a freezer with 500 fertilized embryos
instead of a single baby in a baby carriage. I honestly don't think you would actually act in that
way, but you're arguing as though you would and that that would be good and proper.
That's an argument in bad faith.

Thing is I didn't and still don't support that, never praised the administration for it and thought it was a heartless act, because again, a child is innocent, not just ones that pass through a birth canal.

I'm truly glad to hear you don't approve of family separations or jailing children. That said, while possibly
being the worst example of anti-life policy, it is definitely not the only one, by a long shot.
This admin is a horror shop of bad policies towards families and children.

And I'll note that you didn't address the longer point I made...that in extremis, you would
(hopefully) save a living breathing baby before you would save a freezer full of fertilized embryos.
This is a position completely at odds with the absolutist stance you are taking by calling pro-choicers
baby killers. That's why I suggest and believe you are arguing in bad faith. If push came to shove,
(I hope) you would act contrary to what you are now saying.

When does this scenario come up though? Where you have to act and can only save either baby in a carriage or embroyos? Sicne it's not any kind of realistic occurance, I don't see why that is an argument

As it relates to the first comment, yes I think we cna all agree the separation of the children at the border and puttign them in caps, cages,etc, was completely horrific, traumatizing, and the absolute wrong call

But when you say jailing children, these children yes, they are not criminals. But children, by definition in this country is younger than 18, if there are 15-16-17 year old rapists, murderers, or what have you, I do say jail them. probably a separate issue from what you mentioned, just wasnt sure so thought I'd clarify.

[gtn130]

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If you support Trump and you're not in the top 1%, you're either an idiot or you don't value money

[dobrojim]

Thing is I didn't and still don't support that, never praised the administration for it and thought it was a heartless act, because again, a child is innocent, not just ones that pass through a birth canal.

I'm truly glad to hear you don't approve of family separations or jailing children. That said, while possibly
being the worst example of anti-life policy, it is definitely not the only one, by a long shot.
This admin is a horror shop of bad policies towards families and children.

And I'll note that you didn't address the longer point I made...that in extremis, you would
(hopefully) save a living breathing baby before you would save a freezer full of fertilized embryos.
This is a position completely at odds with the absolutist stance you are taking by calling pro-choicers
baby killers. That's why I suggest and believe you are arguing in bad faith. If push came to shove,
(I hope) you would act contrary to what you are now saying.

When does this scenario come up though? Where you have to act and can only save either baby in a carriage or embroyos? Sicne it's not any kind of realistic occurance, I don't see why that is an argument

As it relates to the first comment, yes I think we cna all agree the separation of the children at the border and puttign them in caps, cages,etc, was completely horrific, traumatizing, and the absolute wrong call

But when you say jailing children, these children yes, they are not criminals. But children, by definition in this country is younger than 18, if there are 15-16-17 year old rapists, murderers, or what have you, I do say jail them. probably a separate issue from what you mentioned, just wasnt sure so thought I'd clarify.

Yes it is purely hypothetical and unlikely to occur. And I can easily understand, given what you have
stated as your position, why you would have a great deal of difficulty addressing this situation.
There are probably a number of other (more likely) hypotheticals that could be put forward that would also
expose your problem, which is that you say a fetus and a baby are morally equivalent, but
would put that position to a serious test and one that most rational people would decide against.

By the way, at what point in the process of conception is personhood achieved?
When the gametes fuse, when the nuclei fuse, when the cell becomes 2 cells, a thousand cells
when implantation occurs?

Which verse in the Bible would provide that answer?

[Ruzious]

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If you support Trump and you're not in the top 1%, you're either an idiot or you don't value money

We know by now that trickle down just makes our pants wet and stinky.