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Post#101 » by Ruzious » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:24 pm

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NatP4 wrote:It’s time for another Trey Murphy check-in. Guy has already played 234 minutes and is producing less points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Kispert. Also shooting a terrible 30% from the field and 33% from 3. -15.7 net rating.

During summer league, people were convinced that Tommy made the wrong pick.

Murphy's a more graceful athlete, but in college - he tended to play without a lot of urgency. Murphy's got a little higher ceiling, but Kispert's got a higher floor - like Connaughton. Connaughton was an awful defender in his early years and has gradually become a solid defender. C'nuttin wrong with that.

Let's not forget that Kispert in 16 months older than Murphy and played one more year of college ball.

I think I brought that up last year in the draft thread. :wink: I did say Murphy has the higher ceiling.
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Post#102 » by NatP4 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:33 pm

I don’t see it. Murphy did absolutely nothing in college but make 3s. Kispert outproduced him in every category. Murphy just has better measurables but does nothing with all that length and athleticism.

I bet Kispert ends up becoming the better defender also.
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Post#103 » by dckingsfan » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:34 pm

And what I am seeing - he isn't a SF but a crafty SG (in time)... thank you junior!
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Post#104 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:28 pm

NatP4 wrote:I don’t see it. Murphy did absolutely nothing in college but make 3s. Kispert outproduced him in every category. Murphy just has better measurables but does nothing with all that length and athleticism.

I bet Kispert ends up becoming the better defender also.


Tony Bennett at UVA vs Mark Few at Gonzaga are two excellent coaches who coach with very different emphases. Factor in pace and emphasis on defense vs free flowing offense.

I thought Murphy wasn’t as good as a Jay Huff (I was wrong!). I also valued Kispert over Murphy at draft time. Now? They’re both IMO going to be solid NBA players.

Kispert is picking things up…fast. Murphy has the gifts.
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Post#105 » by prime1time » Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:48 pm

I did wonder about Murphy vs Kispert. We will just have to wait and see. Regardless, I think it’s inevitable that Kispert will get more burn and ultimately take Avdija’s minutes. The 2nd half of yesterday showed why this will be the case. Kispert can knock down shots and hit one or two dribble pull-ups. He has struggled with his shot so far but I don’t expect that to last. I expect Avdija’s role to be reduce to defending good wing scorers in bench minutes.
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Post#106 » by NatP4 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:45 am

prime1time wrote:I did wonder about Murphy vs Kispert. We will just have to wait and see. Regardless, I think it’s inevitable that Kispert will get more burn and ultimately take Avdija’s minutes. The 2nd half of yesterday showed why this will be the case. Kispert can knock down shots and hit one or two dribble pull-ups. He has struggled with his shot so far but I don’t expect that to last. I expect Avdija’s role to be reduce to defending good wing scorers in bench minutes.


I don’t think that’s the case, Prime. I think they play different roles entirely. Deni can rebound and defend the 4 position and really has been one of the best defensive players in the NBA this year. Kispert seems more like 2/3 in the mold of a Joe Harris.

They’ve both been really good this year and leave me feeling very optimistic about the future of this team.
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Post#107 » by payitforward » Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:32 am

I'm sorry, but it's just way way too soon to be calling any of these guys.

If I go off of efficiency of productivity, measured by their numbers so far, Kispert is better than Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs, Ziaire Williams, Alperen Şengün, Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte, Franz Wagner & Josh Giddey, but he's not as good as Delano Blanton.
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Post#108 » by closg00 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:54 am

For their perspective positions, Kispert has shown me more sooner than Deni, perhaps it's Deni's previous injury. In any case, I'd like to see Wes utilize Corey more and draw-up plays for when he comes off the bench, he looks like he can light it up at any time.
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Post#109 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:57 am

payitforward wrote:I'm sorry, but it's just way way too soon to be calling any of these guys.

If I go off of efficiency of productivity, measured by their numbers so far, Kispert is better than Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs, Ziaire Williams, Alperen Şengün, Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte, Franz Wagner & Josh Giddey, but he's not as good as Delano Blanton.


Blanton played PG at Nebraska. Maryland played them at least once but I think twice. I was intrigued. He can play at least three positions on offense. Not sure about his defense but Nick Nurse is no joke of a coach. Kawhi and others took him all the way.

Kispert and Duarte? Too early but Duarte is facing starters and playing heavy minutes. He’s playing way better than Jalen Suggs…

But Cole Anthony and Anthony Edwards in years 2? Way way better than year one. Suggs is too good to continue to see close. Markelle Fultz and DeAngelo Russell started very slowly.
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Post#110 » by doclinkin » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:06 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote: Markelle Fultz and DeAngelo Russell started very slowly.


Ditto Darius Garland.

And also pretty much every talented player that LA traded while star chasing. Hopefully we can add Kuzma to that list.
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Post#111 » by GoneShammGone » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:52 pm

So one thing I notice about Corey which I find very discouraging, is his release point on his jumper. He seems to push the ball into his shot from a very low position, right in front of his face. I think it makes it easy for guys to contest his three point attempts. Its one of the reasons, I believe, we've seen Corey get gun-shy about launching his jumper. (Remember that up-and-down turnover on the aborted three attempt last game?)

I think its going to be an issue for him going forward. I mean, how many guys do you see completely remake their jump shot technique once they hit the NBA---especially guys who were touted as knock down shooters?

By way of contrast, guys like Kuzma and Deni will always have an advantage over Corey because, even if they aren't quite as good at shooting open jumpers as him, they can actually get their three point shot off cleanly, even when teams are trying to contest, because both of them have high release points on their shot.

Can somebody who knows about shooting for real make me feel better about Corey please??
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Post#112 » by J-Ves » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:03 pm

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Post#113 » by closg00 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:06 pm

GoneShammGone wrote:So one thing I notice about Corey which I find very discouraging, is his release point on his jumper. He seems to push the ball into his shot from a very low position, right in front of his face. I think it makes it easy for guys to contest his three point attempts. Its one of the reasons, I believe, we've seen Corey get gun-shy about launching his jumper. (Remember that up-and-down turnover on the aborted three attempt last game?)

I think its going to be an issue for him going forward. I mean, how many guys do you see completely remake their jump shot technique once they hit the NBA---especially guys who were touted as knock down shooters?

By way of contrast, guys like Kuzma and Deni will always have an advantage over Corey because, even if they aren't quite as good at shooting open jumpers as him, they can actually get their three point shot off cleanly, even when teams are trying to contest, because both of them have high release points on their shot.

Can somebody who knows about shooting for real make me feel better about Corey please??


Our scouts had to have known this, so I wonder what their plan is.....
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Post#114 » by FAH1223 » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:13 pm

He's had a couple of good moments. I like how he is ALWAYS moving and cutting. His shooting has to get better
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Post#115 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:22 pm

FAH1223 wrote:He's had a couple of good moments. I like how he is ALWAYS moving and cutting. His shooting has to get better

Yeah, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by his basketball IQ. He is doing everything right on offense except actually making shots.

The main issue is that the game is moving too fast for him right now. He is rushing things, particularly when he is around the basket. He short-arms everything because he is worried about getting his shot blocked.
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Post#116 » by FAH1223 » Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:30 pm

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FAH1223 wrote:He's had a couple of good moments. I like how he is ALWAYS moving and cutting. His shooting has to get better

Yeah, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by his basketball IQ. He is doing everything right on offense except actually making shots.

The main issue is that the game is moving too fast for him right now. He is rushing things, particularly when he is around the basket. He short-arms everything because he is worried about getting his shot blocked.

Yeah, he also plays smaller than his size. He is a legit 6-6/6-7.
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Post#117 » by NatP4 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:40 am

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FAH1223 wrote:He's had a couple of good moments. I like how he is ALWAYS moving and cutting. His shooting has to get better

Yeah, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by his basketball IQ. He is doing everything right on offense except actually making shots.

The main issue is that the game is moving too fast for him right now. He is rushing things, particularly when he is around the basket. He short-arms everything because he is worried about getting his shot blocked.


We know the 3s will fall. He’s still shooting 60% on 2s. His on/off numbers are right up there with Avdija for best on the team. It’s been a really encouraging rookie season from Kispert if you ask me.

I still don’t see some building block core piece, but I see a really good rotational piece that has a positive impact on both ends by making winning plays and doing the little things.
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Post#118 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:13 am

In every aspect of the game except scoring, Kispert's numbers are quite respectable -- overall better than average for an NBA wing.

If/when he starts making 3's we can be a little surer of him.
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Post#119 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:29 am

23 guys out of the last draft (or undrafted) have played 200 plus minutes this season. Of those guys, Kispert is about the 9th most productive so far.

Of the 8 guys who've been better so far, 4 were taken before him (Barnes, Mobley, Giddey & Wagner).

The other 4 are Austin Reaves, Delano Banton, Josh Christopher & Ayo Dosonmu. None of those guys would have been a likely pick at #15.

Based on where they went in the draft, Reaves (undrafted) & Banton (#46) were the real bargains in the above group.
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Post#120 » by queridiculo » Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:56 am

payitforward wrote:In every aspect of the game except scoring, Kispert's numbers are quite respectable -- overall better than average for an NBA wing.

If/when he starts making 3's we can be a little surer of him.


His shot isn't falling, but when I watch him play I am always pleasantly surprised by his effectiveness on defense and how well he cuts on offense.

That said, I am a bit disappointed by his overall effectiveness on offense.

Once again the NBA ready label is proving to be a tired trope for an upperclassman.

I definitely would have went with the potential of a Jalen Johnson at that spot over an undersized Senior with a questionable pro fit.

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