Spencer 'Crypto' Dinwiddie Thread (He's Amazingly Sucky BTW)

AFM · Post #101 » by **AFM** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:42 pm

Have any of you nerds run some sort of analysis tracking his performance vs the Bitcoin/USD price?

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #102 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:55 pm

Frichuela wrote:Oh dear...

Read on Twitter
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Yikes, that turned ugly fast. Isn't he supposed to be Beal's guy?

Regardless, the toxic nature of the team is starting to boil over. Trez punching dudes, Mayo reporting that the prisoners are running the place (whatever that means), Beal publicly whining about players not being dogs, Dinwiddie grumbling since the beginning of the season, Gafford pissed about being demoted. This is the Flaming Nuclear Dumpster Fire Express we are on right now. All aboard!

Post #103 » by **nate33** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:58 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:This is the Flaming Nuclear Dumpster Fire Express we are on right now. All aboard!

I'm in favor of anything that convinces management to trade Beal and rebuild. If this is what it takes, so be it.

queridiculo · Post #104 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:00 pm

That headline :lol:

At least I got a chuckle out of the latest word on the Wizards dysfunction.

DarkXaero · Post #105 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Feb 1, 2022 1:29 am

As a Nets fan (and someone who drafted Dinwiddie in fantasy this season believing that he'd have good impact in DC), I am really disappointed to see how this situation has turned out. I have noticed that Dinwiddie's numbers without Beal are way better and actually really good, but he looks extremely passive with Beal out there, and has looked really bad. It reminds me of when Dinwiddie was weirdly passive in games right before Nets let go of Kenny Atkinson (19-20 season).

Bottom line is, I do believe that he can still play at a high level, but there's something happening with the Wizards where he's just playing anywhere close to what his level should be. Curious to know what you guys think.

FAH1223 · Post #106 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Feb 1, 2022 4:27 am

DarkXaero wrote:As a Nets fan (and someone who drafted Dinwiddie in fantasy this season believing that he'd have good impact in DC), I am really disappointed to see how this situation has turned out. I have noticed that Dinwiddie's numbers without Beal are way better and actually really good, but he looks extremely passive with Beal out there, and has looked really bad. It reminds me of when Dinwiddie was weirdly passive in games right before Nets let go of Kenny Atkinson (19-20 season).

Bottom line is, I do believe that he can still play at a high level, but there's something happening with the Wizards where he's just playing anywhere close to what his level should be. Curious to know what you guys think.

Some of this is on Spencer. He needs to go downhill and table set but also get to the cup, get to the line. He’s gun shy. It so frustrating to watch.

His inability to play PG has forced Beal to be the PG. Which has been a major adjustment.

Some of this is on Wes Unseld Jr. Clearly he’s got Dinwiddie thinking too much and not playing freely.

But the fit is bad. Spencer probably is better just not playing with Beal. 6th man might be best but he’s getting paid $17M to be a starting caliber PG and he’s been below average. And he doesn’t play defense. He looks like he’s 40 years old running down the court sometimes. I understand it’s his first year back from ACL but he showed his hand playing well early.

He doesn’t turn the ball over which is great esp when he’s able to control the game when Beal is out.

Benjammin · Post #107 » by **Benjammin** » Tue Feb 1, 2022 12:01 pm

I think one thing that is not said enough is that he is still recovering from a serious injury and may well be better next season. How many second round picks did they end up trading to facilitate the deal? Uncle Terd better be willing to buy some over the next several years.

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Post #108 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 8:12 pm

This says it in a nutshell (from Jake Fischer at BlecherReport; not State Farm):

“He needs the ball, he’s not good enough to have the ball, and he’s not a good shooter,” one Western Conference executive told B/R. Even with a career-high 37.6 percent mark in 2016-17, Dinwiddie has converted just 31.8 percent of his long-range attempts in eight seasons.

Nutshell ironically is a deeply depressing song by Alice In Chains.

queridiculo · Post #109 » by **queridiculo** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 11:45 pm

Benjammin wrote:I think one thing that is not said enough is that he is still recovering from a serious injury and may well be better next season. How many second round picks did they end up trading to facilitate the deal? Uncle Terd better be willing to buy some over the next several years.

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Yeah, sure, it's possible but there's also Dinwiddie's full body of work that clearly shows him as a below average player.

FAH1223 · Post #110 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 7:17 am

Read on Twitter

Post #111 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 4:06 pm

FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yeah, I remember that. I get that he doesn't want to be responsible for covering Giannis, but to just leave him like that... what the bleep was the cryptokeeper thinking?

Post #112 » by **nate33** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 4:15 pm

Ruzious wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yeah, I remember that. I get that he doesn't want to be responsible for covering Giannis, but to just leave him like that... what the bleep was the cryptokeeper thinking?

I'm sure he thought that Gafford was switching with him, not realizing that Gafford had just turned his head to look for other unguarded guys.

It actually looks like Gafford called out the switch, but there's no way to be sure.

NatP4 · Post #113 » by **NatP4** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 5:42 pm

Randomly saw this today, but in the last 15 games, Dinwiddie is far and away the best wizard according to on/off numbers.

1. Dinwiddie 14.7
2. Harrell 8.0
3. Kispert 7.0

You can’t really defend his shooting percentages, but he’s had a really positive impact.

Post #114 » by **nate33** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:06 pm

NatP4 wrote:Randomly saw this today, but in the last 15 games, Dinwiddie is far and away the best wizard according to on/off numbers.

1. Dinwiddie 14.7
2. Harrell 8.0
3. Kispert 7.0

You can’t really defend his shooting percentages, but he’s had a really positive impact.

Having a PG with a low turnover rate is way more important that people realize. You can see missed shots. It's much harder to notice the absence of turnovers.

Turnovers hurt way more than missed shots because they result in a loss of possession 100% of the time, and often leading to easy fast break points for the opposition. Missed shots may still result in offensive rebounds, and they don't usually result in fast breaks.

Dinwiddie's on/off differential now leads all starters. Better than Beal, Kuzma, KCP and Gafford.

NatP4 · Post #115 » by **NatP4** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:30 pm

Agreed. If you have a PG that can post a solid A/TO ratio and just get the offense into good sets, and not be a liability on the other end defending against those initial PNRs, you usually have a quality or atleast average starting PG.

That’s basically why a guy like Ricky Rubio has been a quality starter for so long.

DCZards · Post #116 » by **DCZards** » Sun Feb 6, 2022 3:15 pm

Yes, Dinwiddie doesn’t turn the ball over a lot and I totally agree that that’s a good thing.

But the downside is that he doesn’t take any risks. Spencer floats around the perimeter with the ball in his hand rarely attacking the basket or even probing for an opening. As a result, the offense is stagnant and far too often the Zards end up taking a desperation shot as the shot clock is running out.

Those low turnovers look good on the stat sheet but Dinwiddie’s low scoring output, small # of FT attempts, missed 3pters, and the Zards nonexistent offensive flow when he’s at PG tell the real story.

I was really looking forward to rooting for Spencer but his overall play has been a huge disappointment most nights.

payitforward · Post #117 » by **payitforward** » Sun Feb 6, 2022 4:39 pm

DCZards wrote:Yes, Dinwiddie doesn’t turn the ball over a lot and I totally agree that that’s a good thing.

But the downside is that he doesn’t take any risks. Spencer floats around the perimeter with the ball in his hand rarely attacking the basket or even probing for an opening. As a result, the offense is stagnant and far too often the Zards end up taking a desperation shot as the shot clock is running out.

Those low turnovers look good on the stat sheet but Dinwiddie’s low scoring output, small # of FT attempts, missed 3pters, and the Zards nonexistent offensive flow when he’s at PG tell the real story.

I was really looking forward to rooting for Spencer but his overall play has been a huge disappointment most nights.

First off, like you I'm disappointed in Spencer's level of play. But, don't you think that just maybe you are overstating things a bit?

After all, low turnovers don't just "look good on the stat sheet." Would you say that the "low scoring output" just looks bad on the stat sheet!

Both these things affect the games as they're played! His high assists, low turnovers, excellent defensive rebounding, & above average offensive rebounding are all good things -- they're a big part of the explanation for his excellent on/off numbers.

Still... he's been disappointing. & Brad has been even more disappointing!

Come down to it, the play of those two guys more or less suffices to explain this season.

Edit -- one more thing:

DCZards wrote:...the Zards nonexistent offensive flow when he’s at PG...

I know what you mean. I'm not doubting what's right before our eyes. Yet... how does one explain his exceptionally high on/off numbers?

I don't believe on/off tells you all that much, so maybe there's nothing to explain. But... it's a big number, so it makes you wonder. That's all.

DCZards · Post #118 » by **DCZards** » Sun Feb 6, 2022 5:35 pm

I’m not an expert on on-off #s but could Spencer’s high #s be explained by the fact that the Zards backup PGs (Neto & Holiday) have been just short of terrible most nights?

People here like to single out Beal’s struggles, but it’s the team’s poor PG play that has been by far the biggest drag on the Zards this season, IMO.

Post #119 » by **nate33** » Sun Feb 6, 2022 6:26 pm

DCZards wrote:I’m not an expert on on-off #s but could Spencer’s high #s be explained by the fact that the Zards backup PGs (Neto & Holiday) have been just short of terrible most nights?

Neto has the fourth highest on/off differential on the team and the highest on/off differential among the guards. So, no.

doclinkin · Post #120 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Feb 7, 2022 12:11 am

payitforward wrote:
DCZards wrote:...the Zards nonexistent offensive flow when he’s at PG...

I know what you mean. I'm not doubting what's right before our eyes. Yet... how does one explain his exceptionally high on/off numbers?

I don't believe on/off tells you all that much, so maybe there's nothing to explain. But... it's a big number, so it makes you wonder. That's all.

What it made me wonder is if his on/off effect is exaggerated precisely _because_ he slows down play. That is, if we suck (as we have the last 15 games at least) and are inefficient at both ends, then if we play fewer possessions there are fewer chances for our lead to slip away or for the opponent to pull ahead by an insurmountable number.

That said, I doubt the stat means much in his case. Looking at the on/off numbers Spencer looks to have a net negative effect, if anything. Where guys like Trez, Deni, Kispert and even Neto all end up in the positive column.