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Post#101 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:56 pm

doclinkin wrote:UCLA Bruins junior guard Jaylen Clark.
A top 10 defense team.
Guard who rebounds well for his size, near 3 steals a game,
Shooting solid 3FG .36, but up from .200 as a freshman, .259 soph. despite increasing usage.
Played well against Baylor, UMD, UK, didn't shoot well against Arizona but ripped 10 boards.

How's he look?



Ground bound. Shifty, not quick twitch. But solid. I'd snatch him for the GoGo and see how he develops. Can he increase his assist #'s? The smarts are there.

Definitely a good looking player. Terrific awareness.
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Post#102 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:47 pm

doc -- what's your take on Armando Bacot as a R2 pick? Think Richaun Holmes plus. His junior numbers were some of the best I've ever seen.

He's also very articulate, obviously a smart kid. Can talk the game, & can talk other stuff too. Yet, nbadraftroom has him at #76 -- that makes zero sense to me.
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Post#103 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:14 pm

At least we have faith that we are gonna get a banger undrafted guy lol. It's been like 4 years in a row we've picked up a decent one or two.

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Post#104 » by NatP4 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:23 am

Dat2U wrote:I think the top 5 are clear for me. Wemby, Scoot, Amen, Brandon aka Gunna & Ausur. It gets murky after that. I need to see more from Nick Smith Jr. Cam slides a bit for me. Gradey D, Sensabaugh, Black & Wallace all bring some interesting pieces to the table but all have flaws that could lock them into a lesser role than hoped. Jarace looks solid but low usage, would probably go wing or PG before drafting a pure PF. Keyonte George is intriguing as well but I cringe at the thought of drafting another SG.


It’s gonna be a lot like the 2021 draft. 5 guys locked in, then a huge question mark at 6/7/8. There will be some late risers, just like 21, Wagner/Barnes/Giddey all exploded late. Coulibaly might be one of those guys. Wouldn’t surprise me if Podziemski explodes also. Sensabaugh could light it up in March and shoot back up the charts again.

Coulibaly is every bit as good of a prospect as Ousmane Dieng last year. He’s been good when he plays on the big club with Wemby and Metro 92’
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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#105 » by NatP4 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:41 am

No one talking about Noah Clowney, but he’s currently the most underrated mid to late 1st round prospect. Playing a great conference at 18 years old and posting 14&12 with great defense in 57% TS.

Walker, Black, Dick, Wallace, Sensabaugh, and Clowney are all solid mid 1st picks.

Major fade on Nick Smith&Cam Whitmore.

Vukcevic seems like a major upside play. 19-8-2.6 on 57/40/77 shooting splits as a 19 year old in a decent professional league. Was a pretty decent role player at 18 for Real Madrid. There’s some Lauri Markannen to his game.
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Post#106 » by gambitx777 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:05 am

So right now we have the 37 pick in the draft. The players in the range right now on some big boards I'm looking at are

Keyontae Johnson
Dariq whitehead
Coleman Hawkins
Kyle filiposki
Marcus sasser
Adam flagler
LJ Cryer

Since we are pretty good at undrafted guys the top ten dudes sitting out side the top 60 are.

Drew Timme
Emoni Bates
Jordan Walsh
Baylor Scheierman
Matthew Mayer
Keion Brooks
Amari Bailey
Eric Gaines
Reece Beckman
Dillon Mitchell
Nikos Rogkavopulos

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Post#108 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:00 pm

My ultra sleeper is Jordan 'Jelly' Walker. Only 5-11 but a god tier level athlete. His teammate Eric Gaines is electric too and worthy of consideration. I would try to get both the summer league roster.
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Post#109 » by payitforward » Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:54 pm

No opinions on Armando Bacot ??

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Post#110 » by Dark Faze » Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:16 pm

I know Brandon Miller will be 21 as an NBA rookie, but I think I'd still draft him over Scoot.
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Post#111 » by Kanyewest » Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:30 pm

Dat2U wrote:Random draft thoughts:

Cam Whitmore is a bigger Lance Stephenson lol. Maybe with a little more bounce. He has the same herky jerky tunnel vision ISO forays to the basketball. With the same streaky jumper to match. He has better physical tools then Lance at 6-7, bouncy and built like a tank but I see a lot of similarities in terms of how they play.

I still prefer Gradey Dick out of any of the late lottery prospects. Gives you elite level shooting with enough athletic pop to defend at a capable level and finish along with enough ball skill to offer more offensively and even initiate some offensive actions.

Sensabaugh is a first rate scorer and deserves consideration but there is a degree of bully ball to his game that might not work as efficiently on the next level. Plus I still don't know who he is capable of defending.

Anthony Black flashes some Iguodala to his game as a do it all wing who can positively impact both sides of the court. Getting more consistent from 3 would give him one of the higher upsides in the draft.

The best case scenario for Cason Wallace is Jrue Holiday. A two way PG who can function as a tiertary creator, knock down open looks and play high level D. Good size for a PG.

I've wrapped up all scouting on Wemby. Nothing else to see. No question, he's goated prospect and would probably be selected ahead of LeBron if they were in the same draft. Health is the only thing that would stop him from being a future first ballot HOF'er.


I feel like Whitmore might be the best raw talent that Villanova has had in some time. Just seems like he joined the team in not only a down year as far as a roster standpoint (no Colin Gillepsie to do his Jalen Brunson lite) but also Jay Wright not being on the team as well. Probably the worst Nova team since 2011.

But yeah, he may have hurt his draft stock a bit with his play in January- although he could recapture some of it to close the season.

He has shown flashes of improvement though- 4 blocks in one game against Butler and he's starting to play better defensively. His 3 point shot needs to improve though. Maybe he can play better to close the season with the return of Justin Moore.
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Post#112 » by gambitx777 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:22 am

If you're sitting in the second round and you didn't have a first like we probably won't and your pick rolls up and Emoni Bates is still there? Do you take that risk?

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Post#113 » by Dark Faze » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:19 pm

Bates won't last past the first round. He'll still be 19 to start the season next year and his sophmore stats are solid for a young scoring wing prospect.

To me he's going to be similar player to Kyle Kuzma. Not so inefficient that you call him bad, but not efficient enough to be considered very good, with a strong eye test when he's hot.
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Post#114 » by gambitx777 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:01 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Bates won't last past the first round. He'll still be 19 to start the season next year and his sophmore stats are solid for a young scoring wing prospect.

To me he's going to be similar player to Kyle Kuzma. Not so inefficient that you call him bad, but not efficient enough to be considered very good, with a strong eye test when he's hot.
I see a lot of mocks with him mid second round and I see big boards with him out side the top 60. I mean he has time to shoot up the ranks but he has a past and a lot of GMs stay away from that.

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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#115 » by Dark Faze » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:12 am

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Dark Faze wrote:Bates won't last past the first round. He'll still be 19 to start the season next year and his sophmore stats are solid for a young scoring wing prospect.

To me he's going to be similar player to Kyle Kuzma. Not so inefficient that you call him bad, but not efficient enough to be considered very good, with a strong eye test when he's hot.
I see a lot of mocks with him mid second round and I see big boards with him out side the top 60. I mean he has time to shoot up the ranks but he has a past and a lot of GMs stay away from that.

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No you're right I've seen him second round on mocks, I'll just be surprised if that's what ends up being the actual result. But maybe it will be.
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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

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Post#117 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:20 pm

I'm just looking at good value gems in the second round. Like who could end up being a first round grade player slipping to round two. What undrafted guys are gonna be there.

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Post#118 » by doclinkin » Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:28 pm

payitforward wrote:doc -- what's your take on Armando Bacot as a R2 pick? Think Richaun Holmes plus. His junior numbers were some of the best I've ever seen.

He's also very articulate, obviously a smart kid. Can talk the game, & can talk other stuff too. Yet, nbadraftroom has him at #76 -- that makes zero sense to me.


His game reminds me of Taj Gibson coming out of college. Low-post, veteran footwork, floor bound, smart. Sturdy, not a high flyer. But productive.

We commonly see dominant NCAA frontcourt players have humdrum careers in the NBA unless they have some other skill that helps them stand out. Bacot has never developed a 3pt shot, no big deal since it is not a part of the college game, but his FT% has stayed flat as well in the mid-high 60's. Coaches reward scorers nowadays, and Bigs who don't show any range to their game cause spacing issues. He's got pretty decent assist and steal numbers for a frontcourt-only player, a good indicator of the ability to play defense at the next level.

Sure, late 2nd round why not, seems a functional front court player. He looks like he could have a career in the NBA. A coach will trust him to do what he does. He will be playable on defense from the start. But if Carey can't get on court for us, I don't see Bacot as a guy with better chances unless he adds new wrinkles to his game.

Still a younger longer Gibson is not a bad player. Maybe the 2 big experiment opens up space for him to do what he does on this team in particular. Or any team relying on a face-up center. Idk.

EDIT. Looking at his game log though, this is a player who loves the big games. Competitor. Yeah I can see him as a steal late on a team that is shoring up the back end of their bench with low-floor types with good attitude.
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Post#119 » by doclinkin » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:55 pm

Productive PG hunt. Looking for PGs who score well from outside and inside and who force fouls. We need secondary playmakers who can take the reins when we need to force the action.

I like soph PG Wade Taylor IV of Texas A&M as a potential rd 2 pick available late if he comes out.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wade-tayloriv-1.html
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4683833/wade-taylor-iv

His stat improvement from freshman to sophomore year is promising. Jumps in efficiency while doubling his scoring output and assist both.


Also senior PG Cameron Parker of Portland state who is filling up stat sheets, and holds the NCAA record for most assists in an NCAA game (24 ast for Sacred Heart vs 'Pine Manor' in a 30 pt blow out *) but I don't see his name on any list. He seems like one of those potential UDFA steals.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cameron-parker-1.html
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4397999/cameron-parker

Single highlights in his twitter feed.
https://twitter.com/CameronParker23

*Hah. Most insane box score line I've seen:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2019-12-01-14-sacred-heart.html
24 ast, 7 boards, 4 steals, zero points on 0-1 2FG 0-1 3FG. Cam was toying with them, lol.
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Post#120 » by doclinkin » Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:06 am

Also senior Cam Shelton of Loyola Marymount:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cameron-shelton-1.html
Increased efficiency despite significantly increasing strength of schedule. Plays better against his toughest opposition.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4397305/cam-shelton





He looks the part. Passes the eye test. Him I like.



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