Political Roundtable Part XXXIII

[AFM]

More anti Iranian propaganda I will not stand for this

[pancakes3]

privatizing weather forecasts. seems legit. free market, baby.

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/project-2025-paywall-weather/

[Pointgod]

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[Kanyewest]

Trump has outperformed in 2016 and 2020. Now Biden would have to.

"
It will come down to MI/PA/WI, and Biden needs to sweep them. Trump can win just one and win. Head-to-head polling before the 2016 and 2020 elections compared to today:

Hillary in 2016:

+4.2% in MI - Lost.
+3.7% in PA - Lost.
+5.3% in WI - Lost.

Biden in 2020:

+7.9% in MI - Won by 2.78%
+4.7% in PA - Won by 1.25%
+8.4% in WI - Won by 0.63%

Biden as of today in 2024:

-0.9% in MI
-2.9% in PA
-1.0% in WI
"

[Kanyewest]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/16/pelosi-biden-2024-elections-00168767

Looks like Pelosi is trying to remove Biden.

[Pointgod]

Yeah, Biden needs to go ASAP.

And it's not even about his actual performance as president.

It's all about how he's perceived sadly.

Not you too Wizardspride….

I think Biden's been a good president but he's a weak candidate imo.

Heck, I think Trump's a weak candidate too.

Like I said, it's about perception sadly.

I agree with you it’s about perception but disagree about whose perception. The whole Biden needs to drop is a media narrative and people who pay waaayyy too much attention to politics. If there was significant weakness we would have seen it in the primary votes and speaking to actual voters post debate. There wasn’t even a major shift in polling.

All of the fundamentals that people traditionally vote on all still support Biden
- The economy is great
- He has incumbency advantage
- He’s passed major legislation
- Midterms and special elections have shown strengths the Democratic Party
- His opponent is even more despised and unfit

Literally the only thing that people can point to is his age and that was something that was well know in 2020. Instead of talking about the above, the media and self sabotaging Democrats aren’t talking about any of this so it shouldn’t come as a surprise when the message isn’t resonating with voters. If you drop Biden for someone you “think” can deliver a better message that person won’t have any of Biden’s strengths, would be starting from behind from both a fundraising and name recognition aspect and would have negatives of their own that we don’t even know yet that could be worse than Biden’s negatives.

[Pointgod]

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[Zonkerbl]

Apparently at least one witness spotted the shooter and spent two minutes trying to convince cops to check him out

Security was an absolute crap show

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/07/15/trump-rally-shooting-witness-warning/

Must be all those DEI hires.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/16/trump-dei-female-secret-service-assassination-attempt/

You laugh...

[Pointgod]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The alleged shooter also contributed to a leftist group on the day of Biden's inauguration so ultimately we may never really know his motivations. As for Trump's reaction, the Secret Service had said the shooter was down but that doesn't mean the threat was necessarily over. Trump's narcissism/political instincts/strength (take your pick) influenced his reaction. The photographs were iconic, regardless of what you think about Trump.

It was bad ass.

Fist bump and him saying "Fight" pretty much sealed the deal on his John Wayne for president card.

It was also reckless.

Honestly, I think it would have been fitting if he rose up only to catch a bullet for real.



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[closg00]

The alleged shooter also contributed to a leftist group on the day of Biden's inauguration so ultimately we may never really know his motivations. As for Trump's reaction, the Secret Service had said the shooter was down but that doesn't mean the threat was necessarily over. Trump's narcissism/political instincts/strength (take your pick) influenced his reaction. The photographs were iconic, regardless of what you think about Trump.

It was bad ass.

Fist bump and him saying "Fight" pretty much sealed the deal on his John Wayne for president card.

It was also reckless.

Honestly, I think it would have been fitting if he rose up only to catch a bullet for real.



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The shooter fit the profile of an incel loner, his politics are secondary. Trump was unbelievably stupid pausing for his photo op, he further endangered himself, and the people protecting him.

[closg00]

Apparently at least one witness spotted the shooter and spent two minutes trying to convince cops to check him out

Security was an absolute crap show

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/07/15/trump-rally-shooting-witness-warning/

Must be all those DEI hires.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/16/trump-dei-female-secret-service-assassination-attempt/

You laugh...

I actually agree with the right wing criticism about the female agent, she is too short to effectively shield Trump, and a man’s strength was needed in real time to get him down those stairs. Also, the female agent was fumbling trying to holster her gun, sorry this is men’s work, female agents can do work in other areas of support.

[Zonkerbl]

Must be all those DEI hires.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/16/trump-dei-female-secret-service-assassination-attempt/

You laugh...

I actually agree with the right wing criticism about the female agent, she is too short to effectively shield Trump, and a man’s strength was needed in real time to get him down those stairs. Also, the female agent was fumbling trying to holster her gun, sorry this is men’s work, female agents can do work in other areas of support.

I didn't bother reading the article because the premise that protecting the president has anything to do with feats of strength is ridiculous. Throwing yourself in front of a bullet requires courage, not strength. Anyone with judo skills can push someone Trump's size down stairs. A man is just as likely to fumble with his holster as a woman. I mean come on. This isn't Spiderman, it's the real world.

[pancakes3]

Being a meat shield against assassination attempts is not the only job qualification for a secret service agent. Seeing as how this is the first attempt in over 40 years, I'm not sure it's even an important one, given when she was hired.

It also scapegoats DEI as a boogeyman and distracts from the pertinent failures. Saying that a big Gronk caveman could have protected Trump better or a slick Clint Eastwood gunslinger could have unholstered and countersniped better misses the point that the security detail's biggest failure was in failing to secure the perimeter - something that could have been done by any gender, race, or sexual orientation.

Not to mention the even larger conversation around gun regulation, mental health, political schisming, and heated political rhetoric (such as demonizing DEI), that are also much more relevant issues to discuss than whether a woman is fit to protect the president, and whether DEI has gone too far. Also the discussion of whether Person A or Person B is better to soak up bullets within the context of providing personal security just seems archaic and wrong.

[closg00]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/16/trump-dei-female-secret-service-assassination-attempt/

You laugh...

I actually agree with the right wing criticism about the female agent, she is too short to effectively shield Trump, and a man’s strength was needed in real time to get him down those stairs. Also, the female agent was fumbling trying to holster her gun, sorry this is men’s work, female agents can do work in other areas of support.

I didn't bother reading the article because the premise that protecting the president has anything to do with feats of strength is ridiculous. Throwing yourself in front of a bullet requires courage, not strength. Anyone with judo skills can push someone Trump's size down stairs. A man is just as likely to fumble with his holster as a woman. I mean come on. This isn't Spiderman, it's the real world.

She was literally the only agent too-short to cover Trump’s entire body with their own. Trump must weigh close to 300 LBS, and he was bracing himself against her going down the stairs, they were fortunate that they did not have to carry Trump with her assistance, I agree with your general sentiments.

[Zonkerbl]

Precisely. Recruiting big dumb testosterone infused lumps of flesh is probably why the whole fiasco happened in the first place

[Zonkerbl]

I actually agree with the right wing criticism about the female agent, she is too short to effectively shield Trump, and a man’s strength was needed in real time to get him down those stairs. Also, the female agent was fumbling trying to holster her gun, sorry this is men’s work, female agents can do work in other areas of support.

I didn't bother reading the article because the premise that protecting the president has anything to do with feats of strength is ridiculous. Throwing yourself in front of a bullet requires courage, not strength. Anyone with judo skills can push someone Trump's size down stairs. A man is just as likely to fumble with his holster as a woman. I mean come on. This isn't Spiderman, it's the real world.

She was literally the only agent too-short to cover Trump’s entire body with their own. Trump must weigh close to 300 LBS, and he was bracing himself against her going down the stairs, they were fortunate that they did not have to carry Trump with her assistance, I agree with your general sentiments.

lies rump is 240 his doctor said so

[Zonkerbl]

Precisely. Recruiting big dumb testosterone infused lumps of flesh is probably why the whole fiasco happened in the first place

I mean:

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Source:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-assassination-attempt-investigation-continues-new-details/story?id=112020474

[closg00]

Precisely. Recruiting big dumb testosterone infused lumps of flesh is probably why the whole fiasco happened in the first place

I mean:

Read on Twitter

Forgive me for this, we’re talking about dumb local cops not doing their jobs, someone with a f__ucking rangefinder wasn’t rounded up immediately!?!

I don’t believe Trump is 240LBS, he pays people to lie for him.

[Zonkerbl]

The alleged shooter also contributed to a leftist group on the day of Biden's inauguration so ultimately we may never really know his motivations. As for Trump's reaction, the Secret Service had said the shooter was down but that doesn't mean the threat was necessarily over. Trump's narcissism/political instincts/strength (take your pick) influenced his reaction. The photographs were iconic, regardless of what you think about Trump.

It was bad ass.

Fist bump and him saying "Fight" pretty much sealed the deal on his John Wayne for president card.

It was also reckless.

Honestly, I think it would have been fitting if he rose up only to catch a bullet for real.



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"From the time Crooks fired his first shot to the gunman being killed was just 26 seconds, according to law enforcement officials. Eleven seconds after the first shot, Secret Service counter snipers acquired their target -- and 15 seconds after that, Crooks was shot dead."

Ok so... did Trump do his fist pump of triumph before or after the sniper was taken out?