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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#101 » by tontoz » Yesterday 7:07 pm

joshuacf wrote:
tontoz wrote:What you said was

Trae Young
Watson
2026 pick
KG
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So how are we supposed to deduce your point


4 of the consensus top 5 players in the draft are non-PG's. Right now we have a 100% chance at a top 5 pick. So if things stand, we have an 80% shot at a non-PG draft pick. Which will mean that signing Watson means benching Tre.

The salary floor is what, $140M? And we already have $102M locked up next year. Add a top 5 pick and the other draft picks we have, and you're looking at close to $120M. You can easily fill the remaining $20M.

I don't want to pay a non All-Star to hog minutes and shots when we have our own young guys. Watson is a guy you spend money on when you are a piece or two away. I want as much money available to get a star player when the time comes.



We had a 100% chance of a top 5 pick last season....until we didn't.

Peterson will be a rookie so it is unlikely he starts right away if we pick him. If they pick him i seriously doubt they will view him as an off ball 2. They have spent two seasons trying to play Bub at pg. Following season Tre and Peterson would surely be starting together. Free agency is after the draft so it isn't like we have to decide now.

Even if we do sign Watson we would have plenty of cap space the following season if a star wanted to come here. Right now we have nothing but rookie contracts and Trae.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#102 » by nate33 » Yesterday 7:53 pm

joshuacf wrote:I don't want to pay a non All-Star to hog minutes and shots when we have our own young guys. Watson is a guy you spend money on when you are a piece or two away. I want as much money available to get a star player when the time comes.

Just curious,

What kind of star player do you think might be obtainable with cap room?

Teams don't let superstars walk in free agency unless they are over-the-hill. To get a star, you have to work out a trade. And in any such hypothetical trade, I would expect us to send out future picks and a good player or two to make the salaries match. And in that scenario, having Payton Watson isn't an impediment. He is either the outgoing ballast, or he is one of the reasons a star would want to come here.
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Post#103 » by tontoz » Yesterday 8:03 pm

Denver is winning games without 3 starters including Jokic. Peyton is a big reason why. This month he is averaging 23 ppg with a TS of 62%.

I remember another guy known for his defense who had a sudden offensive breakout in his 4th season. Ring any bells?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#104 » by joshuacf » Yesterday 8:58 pm

nate33 wrote:Just curious,

What kind of star player do you think might be obtainable with cap room?

Teams don't let superstars walk in free agency unless they are over-the-hill. To get a star, you have to work out a trade. And in any such hypothetical trade, I would expect us to send out future picks and a good player or two to make the salaries match. And in that scenario, having Payton Watson isn't an impediment. He is either the outgoing ballast, or he is one of the reasons a star would want to come here.

A Myles Turner, Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler level player. All guys who walked in free agency.
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Post#105 » by nate33 » Yesterday 9:35 pm

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nate33 wrote:Just curious,

What kind of star player do you think might be obtainable with cap room?

Teams don't let superstars walk in free agency unless they are over-the-hill. To get a star, you have to work out a trade. And in any such hypothetical trade, I would expect us to send out future picks and a good player or two to make the salaries match. And in that scenario, having Payton Watson isn't an impediment. He is either the outgoing ballast, or he is one of the reasons a star would want to come here.

A Myles Turner, Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler level player. All guys who walked in free agency.

Myles Turner isn't a star. He isn't as good as Peyton Watson.

Jimmy Butler never changed teams via free agency. He was traded.

Jalen Brunson is a good example, but he wasn't a "star" when he signed in New York. He was a 6th man who got inserted into Dallas' starting lineup after Luka got hurt. He played very well, averaging 17/5/4 on a .591 TS% for the rest of the season. That's nice production, but short of a "star". New York signed him thinking he would be a quality starter, not an MVP candidate. It only cost them a 3-year contract at $25M per year. But because they gambled on a productive player who played well when thrust into a starting role, it paid off nicely.

I can think of a current player in this free agency market that matches that criteria. A good young player who got thrust into a starting role this season and played exceptionally well, though still a bit shy of "star" production. Like Brunson, he can probably be obtained from "good starter" money, not star money - I'd estimate about $30M a year.

His name is Peyton Watson.
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Post#106 » by joshuacf » Yesterday 10:21 pm

nate33 wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
nate33 wrote:Just curious,

What kind of star player do you think might be obtainable with cap room?

Teams don't let superstars walk in free agency unless they are over-the-hill. To get a star, you have to work out a trade. And in any such hypothetical trade, I would expect us to send out future picks and a good player or two to make the salaries match. And in that scenario, having Payton Watson isn't an impediment. He is either the outgoing ballast, or he is one of the reasons a star would want to come here.

A Myles Turner, Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler level player. All guys who walked in free agency.

Myles Turner isn't a star. He isn't as good as Peyton Watson.

Jimmy Butler never changed teams via free agency. He was traded.

Jalen Brunson is a good example, but he wasn't a "star" when he signed in New York. He was a 6th man who got inserted into Dallas' starting lineup after Luka got hurt. He played very well, averaging 17/5/4 on a .591 TS% for the rest of the season. That's nice production, but short of a "star". New York signed him thinking he would be a quality starter, not an MVP candidate. It only cost them a 3-year contract at $25M per year. But because they gambled on a productive player who played well when thrust into a starting role, it paid off nicely.

I can think of a current player in this free agency market that matches that criteria. A good young player who got thrust into a starting role this season and played exceptionally well, though still a bit shy of "star" production. Like Brunson, he can probably be obtained from "good starter" money, not star money - I'd estimate about $30M a year.

His name is Peyton Watson.


Jimmy Butler signed in free agency via a sign-and-trade. It was, in economic substance, a free agent signing as Butler got to choose his exact team, and the 76er's got MUCH less than fair market value for him. If you want to argue the semantics that because Butler was technically "traded", that fact supports your argument that teams don't let good free agents leave in free agency, you are of course free to do so, as bad faith as that is.

Do you believe that Peyton Watson in 2026 is as good as Jalen Brunson was in 2022?
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Post#107 » by tontoz » Yesterday 11:00 pm

joshuacf wrote:
nate33 wrote:
joshuacf wrote:A Myles Turner, Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler level player. All guys who walked in free agency.

Myles Turner isn't a star. He isn't as good as Peyton Watson.

Jimmy Butler never changed teams via free agency. He was traded.

Jalen Brunson is a good example, but he wasn't a "star" when he signed in New York. He was a 6th man who got inserted into Dallas' starting lineup after Luka got hurt. He played very well, averaging 17/5/4 on a .591 TS% for the rest of the season. That's nice production, but short of a "star". New York signed him thinking he would be a quality starter, not an MVP candidate. It only cost them a 3-year contract at $25M per year. But because they gambled on a productive player who played well when thrust into a starting role, it paid off nicely.

I can think of a current player in this free agency market that matches that criteria. A good young player who got thrust into a starting role this season and played exceptionally well, though still a bit shy of "star" production. Like Brunson, he can probably be obtained from "good starter" money, not star money - I'd estimate about $30M a year.

His name is Peyton Watson.


Jimmy Butler signed in free agency via a sign-and-trade. It was, in economic substance, a free agent signing as Butler got to choose his exact team, and the 76er's got MUCH less than fair market value for him. If you want to argue the semantics that because Butler was technically "traded", that fact supports your argument that teams don't let good free agents leave in free agency, you are of course free to do so, as bad faith as that is.

Do you believe that Peyton Watson in 2026 is as good as Jalen Brunson was in 2022?




So you remember one star that left in free agency and you want us to plan for a similarly rare event? We should wait until a team allows a star to become a free agent and then hope he decides to come here to play with a bunch of kids?
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Post#108 » by joshuacf » Yesterday 11:48 pm

tontoz wrote:So you remember one star that left in free agency and you want us to plan for a similarly rare event?


Ok, I'll play along:

Kevin Durant - 2016 and 2019
Lebron James - 2010, 2014, and 2018
Kyrie Irving - 2019
Kawhi Leonard - 2019
LaMarcus Aldridge - 2015
Al Horford - 2016 and 2019
Jimmy Butler - 2019
Jalen Brunson - 2022
James Harden - 2012
DeMar DeRozan - 2021

Off of the top of my head, since 2010.

EDIT: AND, with the new luxury tax rules, teams are going to have to make tough decisions and let star players walk more than ever.

tontoz wrote:We should wait until a team allows a star to become a free agent and then hope he decides to come here to play with a bunch of kids?

Teams do not "allow" players to become free agents. Players become free agents if they choose to not re-sign with their current team.

And yes, we should keep cap space open to allow us to either a) sign a star in free agency, or b) trade for a free agent and absorb his contract.
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Post#109 » by nate33 » Today 12:12 am

joshuacf wrote:Jimmy Butler signed in free agency via a sign-and-trade. It was, in economic substance, a free agent signing as Butler got to choose his exact team, and the 76er's got MUCH less than fair market value for him. If you want to argue the semantics that because Butler was technically "traded", that fact supports your argument that teams don't let good free agents leave in free agency, you are of course free to do so, as bad faith as that is.

Why in the world is that bad faith? It supports my point completely. Miami traded Josh Richardson for Butler rather than needing to generate enough cap room to acquire him as a pure free agent. And by that argument, we could acquire Peyton Watson this summer, but still trade him for a hypothetical star if one became available in a similar sign-and-trade arrangement. Indeed, becoming a better team by adding guys like Peyton Watson would be the first step necessary to get other star players to want to come here.

joshuacf wrote:Do you believe that Peyton Watson in 2026 is as good as Jalen Brunson was in 2022?

Yes. Or at least very close. You have to factor defense. Brunson is a defensive sieve and everyone knew it. He had to be awesome on offense to offset his defensive impact, but he was merely very good at the time, not great.
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Post#110 » by nate33 » Today 12:14 am

joshuacf wrote:
tontoz wrote:So you remember one star that left in free agency and you want us to plan for a similarly rare event?


Ok, I'll play along:

Kevin Durant - 2016 and 2019
Lebron James - 2010, 2014, and 2018
Kyrie Irving - 2019
Kawhi Leonard - 2019
LaMarcus Aldridge - 2015
Al Horford - 2016 and 2019
Jimmy Butler - 2019
Jalen Brunson - 2022
James Harden - 2012
DeMar DeRozan - 2021

Off of the top of my head, since 2010.

EDIT: AND, with the new luxury tax rules, teams are going to have to make tough decisions and let star players walk more than ever.

tontoz wrote:We should wait until a team allows a star to become a free agent and then hope he decides to come here to play with a bunch of kids?

Teams do not "allow" players to become free agents. Players become free agents if they choose to not re-sign with their current team.

And yes, we should keep cap space open to allow us to either a) sign a star in free agency, or b) trade for a free agent and absorb his contract.

Notice that it hasn't happened in 5 years when it used to be a yearly occurrence.
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Post#111 » by tontoz » Today 12:16 am

joshuacf wrote:
tontoz wrote:So you remember one star that left in free agency and you want us to plan for a similarly rare event?


Ok, I'll play along:

Kevin Durant - 2016 and 2019
Lebron James - 2010, 2014, and 2018
Kyrie Irving - 2019
Kawhi Leonard - 2019
LaMarcus Aldridge - 2015
Al Horford - 2016 and 2019
Jimmy Butler - 2019
Jalen Brunson - 2022
James Harden - 2012
DeMar DeRozan - 2021

Off of the top of my head, since 2010.

tontoz wrote:We should wait until a team allows a star to become a free agent and then hope he decides to come here to play with a bunch of kids?

Teams do not "allow" players to become free agents. Players become free agents if they choose to not re-sign with their current team.

And yes, we should keep cap space open to allow us to either a) sign a star in free agency, or b) trade for a free agent and absorb his contract.



Durant- chose to go to a 73 win team, not a rebuilding one.
LeBron - chose to join Wade/Bosh to form a superteam.
Kyrie- he's nuts. He left a title team because he's a weirdo
Kawhi- he chose to go to LA, where he grew up, and join pg13
LMA- chose to join a dynasty
Horford - chose to join Boston who won 48 games the previous season
Butler- chose Miami, no state tax, strong mgt, it's Miami
Brunson- he was not a star, and he chose NY Knicks where his father worked
Harden - wasn't a free agent. He had a year left on his deal when he was traded.
DeRozan - he hadn't made the as game in the past 3 years with the Spurs prior to the trade.



Do I have to explain the problem here?
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Post#112 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Today 12:40 am

nate33 wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
nate33 wrote:Just curious,

What kind of star player do you think might be obtainable with cap room?

Teams don't let superstars walk in free agency unless they are over-the-hill. To get a star, you have to work out a trade. And in any such hypothetical trade, I would expect us to send out future picks and a good player or two to make the salaries match. And in that scenario, having Payton Watson isn't an impediment. He is either the outgoing ballast, or he is one of the reasons a star would want to come here.

A Myles Turner, Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler level player. All guys who walked in free agency.

Myles Turner isn't a star. He isn't as good as Peyton Watson.

Jimmy Butler never changed teams via free agency. He was traded.

Jalen Brunson is a good example, but he wasn't a "star" when he signed in New York. He was a 6th man who got inserted into Dallas' starting lineup after Luka got hurt. He played very well, averaging 17/5/4 on a .591 TS% for the rest of the season. That's nice production, but short of a "star". New York signed him thinking he would be a quality starter, not an MVP candidate. It only cost them a 3-year contract at $25M per year. But because they gambled on a productive player who played well when thrust into a starting role, it paid off nicely.

I can think of a current player in this free agency market that matches that criteria. A good young player who got thrust into a starting role this season and played exceptionally well, though still a bit shy of "star" production. Like Brunson, he can probably be obtained from "good starter" money, not star money - I'd estimate about $30M a year.

His name is Peyton Watson.



I agree.

We already made the "star" move with Trae Young. For a team like the Wizards, the best chance to obtain a prime star is in the draft via a high pick (tanking), or identifying an ascending player that has untapped high end potential. This is what they did when they signed Arenas. Brunson to the Knicks is another example. And if course SGA.

The benefit that should be considered with Watson is the possibility of signing him as a FA. We don't have to give up any assets, no young players depart, no future draft picks, no 2026 late first. We simply have to pay more than other teams. And we have the cap room to do that.

We are constantly hearing about this team using its cap room to take on a "bad contract" if it results in adding draft capital in the process. Paying tens of millions of dollars to bring in a player we don't necessarily want or intend to keep long-term in order to acquire a draft pick.

Or trading draft assets to "take a flyer" on a player like Zion Williamson in the hopes that he'll get his act together and stay healthy for a mere late 1st rounder this year and maybe one in 2029.

If we're willing to pay tens of millions for a bad contract to obtain a 1st round pick, wouldn't it be more prudent to maybe pay a bit more, maybe go above perceived market value, to outbid for a player that you view to have the potential high end outcome of a 1st round pick, a player who fits your culture , fits your timeline, fits your roster, fits your system and style of play. And allows you to retain your draft capital. Retain your young players. You are willing to pay more because you give up less. And its a player that you see as continuing to improve to where the production will meet the value of the money when all is said and done. We can take advantage of our good cap situation and leverage that against the Nuggets poor cap situation and that of most other teams in the league, limiting our competition for Watson, allowing us to acquire him without forfeiting assets or without even possibly overpaying, maybe even sign him to a descending contract.

We add another piece, without subtracting any. No jettisoning a player or pick we later regret. We add another foundational young player to the core of Sarr, Tre, Kyshawn, and our top 5 draft pick!
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Post#113 » by joshuacf » Today 12:56 am

tontoz wrote:
Durant- chose to go to a 73 win team, not a rebuilding one.
LeBron - chose to join Wade/Bosh to form a superteam.
Kyrie- he's nuts. He left a title team because he's a weirdo
Kawhi- he chose to go to LA, where he grew up, and join pg13
LMA- chose to join a dynasty
Horford - chose to join Boston who won 48 games the previous season
Butler- chose Miami, no state tax, strong mgt, it's Miami
Brunson- he was not a star, and he chose NY Knicks where his father worked
Harden - wasn't a free agent. He had a year left on his deal when he was traded.
DeRozan - he hadn't made the as game in the past 3 years with the Spurs prior to the trade.



Do I have to explain the problem here?

LeBron - went to the hapless Cavs who hadn't won anything or been competitive at all since he left. But they did have a very promising young player in Kyrie. Sound familiar at all?
Kyrie - This is just cope answer. Kyrie chose to sign with Brooklyn because he's a weirdo. Right.
Kawhi - I wonder if there are any players who are from DC in the NBA?
Horford - So he chose to go to a .500 team, a team that we could reasonably hope to be if our FRP this year pans out?
Harden - Factually incorrect
DeRozan - He was obviously still a star player despite not making the All-Star game.

You can make excuses all you want, but it's obvious that star players do get signed in free agency.
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Post#114 » by joshuacf » Today 1:06 am

nate33 wrote:Why in the world is that bad faith? It supports my point completely. Miami traded Josh Richardson for Butler rather than needing to generate enough cap room to acquire him as a pure free agent. And by that argument, we could acquire Peyton Watson this summer, but still trade him for a hypothetical star if one became available in a similar sign-and-trade arrangement. Indeed, becoming a better team by adding guys like Peyton Watson would be the first step necessary to get other star players to want to come here.

Jimmy Butler going to the Heat in free agency via a sign-and-trade does not support your position that star players rarely leave their team in free agency, at all.

Watson is a fine young wing player. We have fine young(er) wing players, and we are in all likelihood going to have another (better) young(er) wing player after the draft. I don't know why we would would sacrifice their development to pay a guy who isn't a needle mover.
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Post#115 » by tontoz » Today 1:14 am

joshuacf wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Durant- chose to go to a 73 win team, not a rebuilding one.
LeBron - chose to join Wade/Bosh to form a superteam.
Kyrie- he's nuts. He left a title team because he's a weirdo
Kawhi- he chose to go to LA, where he grew up, and join pg13
LMA- chose to join a dynasty
Horford - chose to join Boston who won 48 games the previous season
Butler- chose Miami, no state tax, strong mgt, it's Miami
Brunson- he was not a star, and he chose NY Knicks where his father worked
Harden - wasn't a free agent. He had a year left on his deal when he was traded.
DeRozan - he hadn't made the as game in the past 3 years with the Spurs prior to the trade.



Do I have to explain the problem here?

LeBron - went to the hapless Cavs who hadn't won anything or been competitive at all since he left. But they did have a very promising young player in Kyrie. Sound familiar at all?
Kyrie - This is just cope answer. Kyrie chose to sign with Brooklyn because he's a weirdo. Right.
Kawhi - I wonder if there are any players who are from DC in the NBA?
Horford - So he chose to go to a .500 team, a team that we could reasonably hope to be if our FRP this year pans out?
Harden - Factually incorrect
DeRozan - He was obviously still a star player despite not making the All-Star game.

You can make excuses all you want, but it's obvious that star players do get signed in free agency.


:roll:

LeBron left Miami to go to his hometown and form another big 3 with Kyrie and love, both multiple all stars

Kyrie- left Boston to join Durant in NY. Not very comparable

Horford - we actually tried to get him but he chose a franchise with a better track record. Imagine that

Harden - rookie deals are 4 years, not 3. He left OKC after 3 years. His first year in Houston he made only 5.8 million because it was the last year of his rookie deal. Fact

DeRozan was 32. Unlikely we will be targeting someone like that.

Durant is from here but never considered us.
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Post#116 » by nate33 » Today 1:22 am

joshuacf wrote:
nate33 wrote:Why in the world is that bad faith? It supports my point completely. Miami traded Josh Richardson for Butler rather than needing to generate enough cap room to acquire him as a pure free agent. And by that argument, we could acquire Peyton Watson this summer, but still trade him for a hypothetical star if one became available in a similar sign-and-trade arrangement. Indeed, becoming a better team by adding guys like Peyton Watson would be the first step necessary to get other star players to want to come here.

Jimmy Butler going to the Heat in free agency via a sign-and-trade does not support your position that star players rarely leave their team in free agency, at all.

Watson is a fine young wing player. We have fine young(er) wing players, and we are in all likelihood going to have another (better) young(er) wing player after the draft. I don't know why we would would sacrifice their development to pay a guy who isn't a needle mover.

It wasn't free agency. It was a sign-and-trade.

Your initial stance was that we shouldn't spend on Watson. We should keep our powder dry in the hopes that a star player comes along. I'm saying that the Jimmy Butler situation shows that you don't need to wait around with $20M+ in spare cap room in the hopes that some star player will become available in free agency. It's okay to spend that money on other good free agents, even if they aren't stars. In fact, you NEED to acquire good talent so that hypothetical star player would want to come to your team at all. And if a star becomes available, you can trade for him.

Finally, Trae Young is only under contract for a year. As long as we are smart enough to avoid locking him into a long term deal, we will have all the cap room we will need in 2027. There's no need to refrain from signing a good free agent like Watson.

The point is, from a team-building standpoint, signing Watson is strategically sound. If you want to argue that Watson isn't very good and isn't worth the $30M it might take to sign him, that's fair. We can have that discussion too. I'm just saying your stated rationale for not signing him doesn't make much sense. You don't get star caliber free agents by sitting around with cap room and hoping.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#117 » by joshuacf » Today 1:32 am

tontoz wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Durant- chose to go to a 73 win team, not a rebuilding one.
LeBron - chose to join Wade/Bosh to form a superteam.
Kyrie- he's nuts. He left a title team because he's a weirdo
Kawhi- he chose to go to LA, where he grew up, and join pg13
LMA- chose to join a dynasty
Horford - chose to join Boston who won 48 games the previous season
Butler- chose Miami, no state tax, strong mgt, it's Miami
Brunson- he was not a star, and he chose NY Knicks where his father worked
Harden - wasn't a free agent. He had a year left on his deal when he was traded.
DeRozan - he hadn't made the as game in the past 3 years with the Spurs prior to the trade.



Do I have to explain the problem here?

LeBron - went to the hapless Cavs who hadn't won anything or been competitive at all since he left. But they did have a very promising young player in Kyrie. Sound familiar at all?
Kyrie - This is just cope answer. Kyrie chose to sign with Brooklyn because he's a weirdo. Right.
Kawhi - I wonder if there are any players who are from DC in the NBA?
Horford - So he chose to go to a .500 team, a team that we could reasonably hope to be if our FRP this year pans out?
Harden - Factually incorrect
DeRozan - He was obviously still a star player despite not making the All-Star game.

You can make excuses all you want, but it's obvious that star players do get signed in free agency.


:roll:

LeBron left Miami to go to his hometown and form another big 3 with Kyrie and love, both multiple all stars

Kyrie- left Boston to join Durant in NY. Not very comparable

Horford - we actually tried to get him but he chose a franchise with a better track record. Imagine that

Harden - rookie deals are 4 years, not 3. He left OKC after 3 years. His first year in Houston he made only 5.8 million because it was the last year of his rookie deal. Fact

DeRozan was 32. Unlikely we will be targeting someone like that.

Durant is from here but never considered us.


Kyrie - I thought he was a weirdo?
Horford - Do you think when he signed with the Celtics he was thinking about Larry Bird and Bill Russell? He went to the Celtics because they were better at that time.
Harden - Immediately signed a huge extension with the Rockets upon being traded and the extension was agreed to in principle before the trade happened. The Thunder were not going to pay him the money that the Rockets gave him. Fact.
DeRozan - Why not?
Durant - True, because the team wasn't good enough at the time he was making his decision. But that doesn't mean he never would have considered us. KD2DC was a real thing. He even tweeted something out like "just watch" when someone asked if he was coming to the Wizards. Unfortunately we regressed at the wrong time.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#118 » by tontoz » Today 1:37 am

Harden was not a free agent. He was under contract for another year. They could have kept him for another season and then matched any offer he got the following summer if they wanted to.

The words free agent have a very clear meaning. Harden wasn't one. If you can't see that it's a you problem.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#119 » by payitforward » Today 1:53 am

Peyton Watson -- I'm starting to come around... at least a little.

Pro: He's having his best year overall.
Con: His shooting is better, but nothing else is. Overall he's not especially productive. Moreover, the shooting improvement is on pretty low volume.
Worry: pretty much the entire improvement is driven by a very high 3 pt %.
Pro: He's still only 23. I.e.room for development.

In all, meh.... Sorry.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#120 » by Tyrone Messby » Today 1:53 am

Hoping we sign Tari Eason at least.

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