General (Non-Wiz) Draft Discussion

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Small sample size. He averaged 5.4 RPG over the 81 game season. At college he averaged 12.4 RPG. I have a hard time seeing him average 10+ per game in a season during his career. On the other hand I'd be surprised if Griffin doesn't have multiple seasons where he averages 10+ rebounds per game.

Good post. It remains to be seen if Griffin can develop the offensive go to game and consistent motor on D to be a top tier NBAer (a perennial all star, that is). However, given sufficient minutes, that guy will absolutely get you ten boards a game consistently.

[keynote]

Small sample size. He averaged 5.4 RPG over the 81 game season. At college he averaged 12.4 RPG. I have a hard time seeing him average 10+ per game in a season during his career. On the other hand I'd be surprised if Griffin doesn't have multiple seasons where he averages 10+ rebounds per game.

Good post. It remains to be seen if Griffin can develop the offensive go to game and consistent motor on D to be a top tier NBAer (a perennial all star, that is). However, given sufficient minutes, that guy will absolutely get you ten boards a game consistently.

So will other tweeners like Jamison and Marion. Even Harrington used to flirt with ~8 rpg or so.

I agree that Beasley has the toolkit to turn into a strong NBA rebounder, but I don't see him turning into a cornerstone PF working from the low post. Griffin has a chance.

[closg00]

Everyone's assuming Blake = best player in the draft. Fine, I can go along with that.

But it seems like some of y'all also assume he's a championship caliber PF. To me, he looks more like Michael Beasley -- somewhat undersized for the PF spot, a star on a weak roster.

Someone care to argue against me?

I'm also interested in what an Arenas Rubio backcourt could be like.

I'm most definitely not interested in watching an Arenas/Rubio backcourt play defense.

Why-not? Rubio was named defensive player of the year in Spain, so he's probably better defensively than Gilbert and he's 18/19.

[pancakes3]

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiti ... Id%3d43687

one of the better sized 2-guard prospects i've seen. too bad we picked this year to tank.

[closg00]

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=43687&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d43687

one of the better sized 2-guard prospects i've seen. too bad we picked this year to tank.

Yeah, next-year is supposed to be a great draft year.

[hands11]

Well, looks like John Wall won't enter the draft this year. To bad, he definitley has some game. I would include his talent with others I think are the best in this draft.

I'd rate Hall over Wall anyway.

Yeah, Hall is awesome.

Hall ? The guy from Hall and Oats ?

I thought we wanted Wall. The Pink fellow.

[hands11]

Okay folks, we've spent a lot of time in fantasyland dreaming up trades involving the #1 or #2 pick. Unfortunately, the odds favor us picking lower. What do we do with the #3, #4 or #5 pick? My guess is that EG would look to package the pick with a contract and trade for a good veteran, preferably while trimming a little long-term salary in the process. What makes the most sense for the Wizards?

Bear in mind that we really can't afford to add on more salary, particularly in 2010. (I think Abe has accepted that he'll pay a luxtax in 2009, but I'm scared to death that he'll reconsider in the future and demand to get under the tax in 2010 - which would likely mean the loss of Haywood.)

I'm pretty sure EG would do anything in his power to not loss Haywood. That would be a disaster.

[hands11]

Everyone's assuming Blake = best player in the draft. Fine, I can go along with that.

But it seems like some of y'all also assume he's a championship caliber PF. To me, he looks more like Michael Beasley -- somewhat undersized for the PF spot, a star on a weak roster.

Someone care to argue against me?

I'm also interested in what an Arenas Rubio backcourt could be like.

He isn't the 100% no brainier people have make it out to be. I think there is a high chance he will contribute, but I'm just not sure he is going to be a star. At least not right away. But at the end of the day, the #1 pick only means you get to choose first, it doesn't mean that player will be Tim Duncan.

http://www.nba.com/history/draft_top13.html

Amazing how many 7 footer are taken with the first pick.

Anyway, so if Grif ends up Kenyon Martin, would it be a good pick ?

I mean once you be past the whole #1 pick thing, how much more expensive it that pick over the #5.

[hands11]

Everyone's assuming Blake = best player in the draft. Fine, I can go along with that.

But it seems like some of y'all also assume he's a championship caliber PF. To me, he looks more like Michael Beasley -- somewhat undersized for the PF spot, a star on a weak roster.

Someone care to argue against me?

I'm also interested in what an Arenas Rubio backcourt could be like.

I'm most definitely not interested in watching an Arenas/Rubio backcourt play defense.

Why-not? Rubio was named defensive player of the year in Spain, so he's probably better defensively than Gilbert and he's 18/19.

Rubio and HallWall are more likely to be the more unique talent and mismatch at their positions.

I think it's safe to say Griff will be a factor at some point if not only for the reason, I don't believe he would except anything less from himself. He may never become a super star and you may miss out on a player who ends up with more impact and upside, but I don't think whoever gets him is going to be unhappy having selected him.

Kind of like Bogut is a good player, but he isn't Chris Paul. But as good as Chris Paul has done, D William may end up being the more valuable PG on a winning team in the long run. Who knows. Its a crap shoot to some extent.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Everyone's assuming Blake = best player in the draft. Fine, I can go along with that.

But it seems like some of y'all also assume he's a championship caliber PF. To me, he looks more like Michael Beasley -- somewhat undersized for the PF spot, a star on a weak roster.

Someone care to argue against me?

I'm also interested in what an Arenas Rubio backcourt could be like.

He isn't the 100% no brainier people have make it out to be. I think there is a high chance he will contribute, but I'm just not sure he is going to be a star. At least not right away. Put at the end of the day, the #1 pick only means you get to choose first, it doesn't mean that player will be Tim Duncan.

http://www.nba.com/history/draft_top13.html

Amazing how many 7 footer are taken with the first pick.

Anyway, so if Grif ends up Kenyon Martin, would it be a good pick ?

I mean once you be past the whole #1 pick thing, how much more expensive it that pick over the #5.

You must not remember that 97 draft. Experts had their doubts about Tim Duncan. Just like you have knocks against Griffin, people in 1997 had some against Duncan. . That 97 draft was thought of as very weak just like this one(A winner takes all draft). Looking back on that draft it was weak. There were only a few good players drafted:Duncan, McGrady, Keith Van Horn (for a few years), Billups, Stephan Jackson, Derrick Anderson, Ron Mercer, Tim Thomas, Maurice Taylor, Danny Fortson, and Anthony Parker.


None of us are experts and none of us can predict the future. For all we know Griffin could be a career 20-10 guy and not the next Kenyon Martin.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

[Ji]

i think Sac would take rubio over Griffin

[dnk]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

Are there really enough teenage fangirls willing to buy tickets for basketball game for that really to be an exploitable plan?

And I don't think the Hispanic community of the DMV will care too much about a player from Spain. I think they would associate more with a player from Mexico or a South American country or something. But I have no idea.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

Are there really enough teenage fangirls willing to buy tickets for basketball game for that really to be an exploitable plan?

And I don't think the Hispanic community of the DMV will care too much about a player from Spain. I think they would associate more with a player from Mexico or a South American country or something. But I have no idea.

I agree Spain is a lot different than those South American country's.

[closg00]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

Lots of teams are salivating at thought of getting Rubio for the exact reasons that you state (more-so teen-age boys and white suburban parents), and because he has future all-star written all over him. I would wager that on draft night, more teams will be aggressively pursuing trades for Rubio than they will for Griffin.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

Are there really enough teenage fangirls willing to buy tickets for basketball game for that really to be an exploitable plan?

And I don't think the Hispanic community of the DMV will care too much about a player from Spain. I think they would associate more with a player from Mexico or a South American country or something. But I have no idea.

Well Yao attracts a lot of Asians that aren't Chinese so you never know...

[dnk]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

Are there really enough teenage fangirls willing to buy tickets for basketball game for that really to be an exploitable plan?

And I don't think the Hispanic community of the DMV will care too much about a player from Spain. I think they would associate more with a player from Mexico or a South American country or something. But I have no idea.

Well Yao attracts a lot of Asians that aren't Chinese so you never know...

True. But that's what I meant about, say, a Colombian player. Even descendants of people from other South American countries might be interested in the player.

But I don't think the Hispanic or Latino community would have come out in droves if we had gotten Gasol BECAUSE he's from Spain. If they came out, I would think it would be because they appreciate the way he plays, not because he speaks Spanish. I feel similarly about Rubio.

[hands11]

Drafting Rubio means a huge boost in ticket sales from the large hispanic population of VA-DC-MD, teenage fangirls and a lot of Europe wide attention for the Wizards. Bet you Abe is salivating at that thought.

And the combination double baked bean Buritto special / Singles night promo.

Love is indeed in the air.

[doclinkin]

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First of all:

hands STFU azwipe.

2nd: I expect, if good, Rubio will draw fans of all stripe, Latin or no. Kid is a babyfaced Eurokid, looks like Jonas brother, the NBA would love to promote him to draw the family-friendly crowd. And middle america. And all those euphemisms. But he'd have to be good out the gate, which I dunno, I expect he'll struggle for a bit before he's truly effective. Needs a jumpshot something fierce, since whatever his handle or vision he'll be outquicked many nights.

[JWizmentality]

Whoa..takes alot to get on Doc's bad side. What did you do hands?

*reads page*

oooooookay...aint touching this one with a 10 ft pole. As you were.