Otto Porter

[SizzlinSimms]

That turnover by Otto tonight was so boneheaded.

This is pick looking so bad right now ha.

[hands11]

That turnover by Otto tonight was so boneheaded.

This is pick looking so bad right now ha.

Your kind of missing the point I think.

Bennett looked horrible. But he got minutes and now he is looking more comfortable.

You can't say Otto such yet. He has like 50 total minutes in the league.

[SizzlinSimms]

That might be so, but he also might not be getting minutes of how he has performed in practice.

[GhostsOfGil]

That turnover by Otto tonight was so boneheaded.

This is pick looking so bad right now ha.

Your kind of missing the point I think.

Bennett looked horrible. But he got minutes and now he is looking more comfortable.

You can't say Otto such yet. He has like 50 total minutes in the league.

215 minutes. PER 4.3

[mhd]

Free Glen Rice!

[fishercob]

Let's be honest. Who outside of Wall, Ariza, Gortat, Nene & Webster has actually EARNED their minutes? You think Beal has EARNED his minutes? Or is he such an important piece that he was basically handed the position and it was hoped he would grow into it? You think he's really outplayed Webster over the course of the year? No. But everyone understands, Beal needs to start. He needs to develop and get better and the best way to do that is by playing him and giving him significant minutes.

Do you think Temple has EARNED his minutes. He's a complete train wreck offensively. But his importance is magnified because he's the only other guard outside of Maynor that's capable of playing PG minutes. So his role was basically handed to him because of Maynor's failings.

Do you think Seraphin or Vesely has truly EARNED any minutes? Or does Witt simply have no options available as alternative?

So what's wrong with GIVING minutes to Porter, who like Beal, is 20 yrs old and a recent 3rd pick of the draft. Obviously if he doesn't develop, we've blown a huge asset and major opportunity. So his development is important. It's in the best interests of the organization for Porter to play well, so it makes sense to help spur that development instead of waiting for him to get to a point in his development curve to where he can outplay 7-8 year vets on his own (which isn't going to happen if Ariza & Webster are signed long term and Wittman is still barely hanging on while trying to survive as a head coach).

I never doubted Beal's physical ability or talent. I DO doubt Porter's physical ability and talent. If we want to develop someone, I'd rather develop Rice who actually NBA caliber athletcism and defense. Porter was #3 pick in the worst draft since 2000. He wouldn't go lottery in this draft.

I'm not sure of what evidence you'd have to doubt Porter's physical ability, or tout Rice's. It seemed like Porter graded out as a solid athlete at the combine, especially considering his length. No, he doesn't explode to the basket, but outside of LeBron, Durant & George, no SFs do.

I feel confident in saying Porter shouldn't be a bust. Nothing he did in college would indicate that. His game has always been more skill based than athleticism. And it's hard to maintain or add skill when you lost most of the summer and all of training camp/preseason (the times when skills are usually added and developed). Right now it appears Porter isn't confident in his skill vs. NBA athletes just yet. He needs to play to develop that. It just doesn't happen organically.

Agreed, Dat.

mhd, you continue to say that Otto is unfit to be a productive player. Why was he able to produce like a lottery pick in college, to the tune of conference player of year as a sophomore?

Tell me why the strengths laid out in this scouting vid are in some way invalid. Give me some reasoning, data, evidence, etc.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMAPF0rvvU#t=388[/youtube]

[noworriesinmd]

If the Wiz are actively shopping Ariza all the debate might be for nothing because he'll be starting soon anyway....

[jeffsays]

Like Anthony Bennett, OP just needs some playing time. I would be all for trading Ariza and starting Otto even if it means we lose a couple of games. Otto getting used to playing with Wall and Beal would be worth it. I don't think he's a bust like others on this board. He just needs more playing time. If only Wittless would get him off the bench some more.

[mhd]

I never doubted Beal's physical ability or talent. I DO doubt Porter's physical ability and talent. If we want to develop someone, I'd rather develop Rice who actually NBA caliber athletcism and defense. Porter was #3 pick in the worst draft since 2000. He wouldn't go lottery in this draft.

I'm not sure of what evidence you'd have to doubt Porter's physical ability, or tout Rice's. It seemed like Porter graded out as a solid athlete at the combine, especially considering his length. No, he doesn't explode to the basket, but outside of LeBron, Durant & George, no SFs do.

I feel confident in saying Porter shouldn't be a bust. Nothing he did in college would indicate that. His game has always been more skill based than athleticism. And it's hard to maintain or add skill when you lost most of the summer and all of training camp/preseason (the times when skills are usually added and developed). Right now it appears Porter isn't confident in his skill vs. NBA athletes just yet. He needs to play to develop that. It just doesn't happen organically.

Agreed, Dat.

mhd, you continue to say that Otto is unfit to be a productive player. Why was he able to produce like a lottery pick in college, to the tune of conference player of year as a sophomore?

Tell me why the strengths laid out in this scouting vid are in some way invalid. Give me some reasoning, data, evidence, etc.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMAPF0rvvU#t=388[/youtube]

Ed O'bannon was PAC-10 conference POY. So what? He was an epic bust. Porter has looked liked total garbage for every single minute he's been out there. In SL, (when he was healthy), he looked HORRIBLE. Porter Looks SLOW laterally. That's not going to change with more PT. Every players has innate physical ability. If Porter can't stay with Francisco Garcia (a guy on his last legs in the NBA), then how is he supposed to be the future SF of this team?

Players can always improve their jumper, handles, etc. They can't improve innate physical ability like speed, lateral quickness, etc. Compare Porter and Rice. Honestly, who is the more physically gifted prospect? Its Rice, and its not even close. Its all politics. Why are Singleton, Maynor, and Porter getting active status, while Rice languishes as an inactive game after game? I'd rather have Rice out there than Porter.


Watch Noel and Len have huge impacts as important big men, while our stupid FO defends a bust like Porter. I said it before the season that Giannis was a much better than Porter will ever be. Why didn't our FO see what I saw? Why would you even TRUST this FO on draft picks?

THomas RObinson got traded after 809 minutes with the Kings (and he was part of a crowded frontcourt of Cousins, Hayes,Thompson, and SF/PF James Johnson).

Porter has 214 minutes (admittedly a small sample size), but he's been heavily unimpressive for the vast majority of those minutes. He has not shown anything in garbage time, SL, or as a backup.

Porter doesn't have an NBA body. Why should we play someone who get bullied in the post by opposing SFs?

[fishercob]

Agreed, Dat.

mhd, you continue to say that Otto is unfit to be a productive player. Why was he able to produce like a lottery pick in college, to the tune of conference player of year as a sophomore?

Tell me why the strengths laid out in this scouting vid are in some way invalid. Give me some reasoning, data, evidence, etc.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMAPF0rvvU#t=388[/youtube]

Ed O'bannon was PAC-10 conference POY. So what? He was an epic bust. Porter has looked liked total garbage for every single minute he's been out there. In SL, (when he was healthy), he looked HORRIBLE. Porter Looks SLOW laterally. That's not going to change with more PT. Every players has innate physical ability. If Porter can't stay with Francisco Garcia (a guy on his last legs in the NBA), then how is he supposed to be the future SF of this team?

Players can always improve their jumper, handles, etc. They can't improve innate physical ability like speed, lateral quickness, etc. Compare Porter and Rice. Honestly, who is the more physically gifted prospect? Its Rice, and its not even close. Its all politics. Why are Singleton, Maynor, and Porter getting active status, while Rice languishes as an inactive game after game? I'd rather have Rice out there than Porter.


Watch Noel and Len have huge impacts as important big men, while our stupid FO defends a bust like Porter. I said it before the season that Giannis was a much better than Porter will ever be. Why didn't our FO see what I saw? Why would you even TRUST this FO on draft picks?

THomas RObinson got traded after 809 minutes with the Kings (and he was part of a crowded frontcourt of Cousins, Hayes,Thompson, and SF/PF James Johnson).

Porter has 214 minutes (admittedly a small sample size), but he's been heavily unimpressive for the vast majority of those minutes. He has not shown anything in garbage time, SL, or as a backup.

Porter doesn't have an NBA body. Why should we play someone who get bullied in the post by opposing SFs?

The fact that O'bannon -- a four year college player who entered the NBA three years older than Porter -- busted in the NBA doesn't address any of the questions I posted. Comments on Len, Noel, or Giannis don't address those questions either. Same for Thomas Robinson, the Wizards front office, Glen Rice, or the Easter Bunny.

Again, what about POrter's college productivity cannot translate to the pro's? If he's so physically limited, why didn;t that show up in college? Who has followed a similar path? What about Porter's strengths highlighted in the DX video are wrong -- the defensive impact, the passing, the smarts? Give me some anaylsis.

One thing you are wrong on, clearly, is that players can't improve their physical abilities. Guys can obviously gain and lose weight, gain strength, get quicker, etc. Whatever physical limitations -- lack of strength and explosiveness -- Otto has, he had in college. And yet, he excelled.

[closg00]

As-soon as Porter was healthy, they should have had his ass at the D-League playing full-time. Ariza' is/was always a trade-chip, isn't that one of the reasons we drafted Porter?

[Kanyewest]

Agreed, Dat.

mhd, you continue to say that Otto is unfit to be a productive player. Why was he able to produce like a lottery pick in college, to the tune of conference player of year as a sophomore?

Tell me why the strengths laid out in this scouting vid are in some way invalid. Give me some reasoning, data, evidence, etc.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMAPF0rvvU#t=388[/youtube]

Ed O'bannon was PAC-10 conference POY. So what? He was an epic bust. Porter has looked liked total garbage for every single minute he's been out there. In SL, (when he was healthy), he looked HORRIBLE. Porter Looks SLOW laterally. That's not going to change with more PT. Every players has innate physical ability. If Porter can't stay with Francisco Garcia (a guy on his last legs in the NBA), then how is he supposed to be the future SF of this team?

Players can always improve their jumper, handles, etc. They can't improve innate physical ability like speed, lateral quickness, etc. Compare Porter and Rice. Honestly, who is the more physically gifted prospect? Its Rice, and its not even close. Its all politics. Why are Singleton, Maynor, and Porter getting active status, while Rice languishes as an inactive game after game? I'd rather have Rice out there than Porter.


Watch Noel and Len have huge impacts as important big men, while our stupid FO defends a bust like Porter. I said it before the season that Giannis was a much better than Porter will ever be. Why didn't our FO see what I saw? Why would you even TRUST this FO on draft picks?

THomas RObinson got traded after 809 minutes with the Kings (and he was part of a crowded frontcourt of Cousins, Hayes,Thompson, and SF/PF James Johnson).

Porter has 214 minutes (admittedly a small sample size), but he's been heavily unimpressive for the vast majority of those minutes. He has not shown anything in garbage time, SL, or as a backup.

Porter doesn't have an NBA body. Why should we play someone who get bullied in the post by opposing SFs?

The fact that O'bannon -- a four year college player who entered the NBA three years older than Porter -- busted in the NBA doesn't address any of the questions I posted. Comments on Len, Noel, or Giannis don't address those questions either. Same for Thomas Robinson, the Wizards front office, Glen Rice, or the Easter Bunny.

Again, what about POrter's college productivity cannot translate to the pro's? If he's so physically limited, why didn;t that show up in college? Who has followed a similar path? What about Porter's strengths highlighted in the DX video are wrong -- the defensive impact, the passing, the smarts? Give me some anaylsis.

One thing you are wrong on, clearly, is that players can't improve their physical abilities. Guys can obviously gain and lose weight, gain strength, get quicker, etc. Whatever physical limitations -- lack of strength and explosiveness -- Otto has, he had in college. And yet, he excelled.

Other sophomores to win Big East Player of the year Award

DeJuan Blair (2008-09)
Luke Harongody (2007-08)
Caron Butler (2001-02) - who was 2 years older than Porter

Bottom line Porter isn't doing that well because he can't hit jumpers consistently, even when he's open. 29% from the field- 0% from 3 point range. I wonder if Porter is struggling due to lack of development by the Wizards organization. For instance, would San Antonio have Porter playing at a higher level than he is with the Wizards (see Kawai Leonard). Or maybe it is just a lack of game time- guess the Wizards organization is going to have to wait until this offseason and go into next year.

[dckingsfan]

If the Wiz are actively shopping Ariza all the debate might be for nothing because he'll be starting soon anyway....

So far, there have been no takers for Ariza and many of the other players in the last year of their contracts. If I was a gambling person, I would set the odds at 4 to 1 against Ariza being traded.

That will give Porter the rest of the year to watch and absorb and to get his body NBA ready. And that isn't a bad thing IMO.

[Induveca]

To me, the kid is a bust. This isn't a Beal situation. He has shown absolutely nothing in what equates to 10 minutes a game over 20 games. That's enough to show some NBA skill.

This far, to me, he looks like a guy with a ceiling of a poor man's Jared Jeffries. Weak, college jumper not translating due to a lack of speed/athleticism.

Hate the pick, not drafting Noel will haunt us for years....

[lastemp3ror]

Bottom line Porter isn't doing that well because he can't hit jumpers consistently, even when he's open. 29% from the field- 0% from 3 point range. I wonder if Porter is struggling due to lack of development by the Wizards organization. For instance, would San Antonio have Porter playing at a higher level than he is with the Wizards (see Kawai Leonard). Or maybe it is just a lack of game time- guess the Wizards organization is going to have to wait until this offseason and go into next year.

I think a lot of people expect a Lillard, Carter-Williams, Unibrow, Cousins type production in a rookie year and that is rare. That is not to say that Porter won't be the next Kwame Brown, Kidd-Gilchrist, etc, but regardless it is too early to judge.

What I think of him so far is that he is timid. It also doesn't help that Wittman puts him in for 3 minutes and then yanks the chain. He hasn't had an opportunity to work through the fear and settle down in a game.

This is one of the down sides of making this playoff run, we can't really work in Porter. We rarely blow out teams, or be blown out to put Porter in for extended periods of time to close out a game.

[cdel00]

What's the asking price for him?
ie how high of a first?

[The Consiglieri]

If the Wiz are actively shopping Ariza all the debate might be for nothing because he'll be starting soon anyway....

So far, there have been no takers for Ariza and many of the other players in the last year of their contracts. If I was a gambling person, I would set the odds at 4 to 1 against Ariza being traded.

That will give Porter the rest of the year to watch and absorb and to get his body NBA ready. And that isn't a bad thing IMO.

Yes it is, it means the entire justification for going low upside, low floor for immediate help now, and passing on Noel was exactly as moronic, and criminally stupid as many of us argued on draft day, and something that could very well come back to haunt us more than any trades since the "sell low and screw your team for a decade" deals that booted young and bigs (Sheed and Webber) for some debris and a cancer in '96 and '98.

Passing on Noel, even if he turns out a bust, is one of the stupidest moves this team has made in my lifetime, and their are innumerable contenders which just goes to show just how incredibly bad and horrific this FO has become (considering how wretched the previous standards were in the eighties and nineties).

[dckingsfan]

What's the asking price for him?
ie how high of a first?

Mid second round in 2018 or 2019 (sarcasm)

[cdel00]

Does a 2014 pick around #20 sound fair?

[nate33]

Does a 2014 pick around #20 sound fair?

I don't think anybody can answer that right now. We just don't know enough to conclude that Porter is a bust. He might simply be struggling to adapt to the speed of the NBA because of his injuries and lack of training camp.

I see no way he will be traded until he's had another full season with the Wizards. It's just pointless to discuss it right now.