Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 3

Post #1001 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:32 am

Drummond tonight - 27:30 minutes, 1 of 7 from the field, 3 of 6 from the line, 10 boards, 3 to's, 0 assists, 3 fouls, his team loses again and has no chemistry.

If the skies the limit, maybe chicken little was on to something.

payitforward · Post #1002 » by **payitforward** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:35 am

Ruzious wrote:Drummond tonight - 27:30 minutes, 1 of 7 from the field, 3 of 6 from the line, 10 boards, 3 to's, 0 assists, 3 fouls, his team loses again and has no chemistry.

If the skies the limit, maybe chicken little was on to something.

In other words, he had a bad game -- is that right?

Which means... what?

closg00 · Post #1003 » by **closg00** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:36 am

dangermouse wrote:Thunder waived Daniel Orton

is he worth a look?

So Philly is taking a look at Orton, I wish we had, we could have cut him later.

Post #1004 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:47 am

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Drummond tonight - 27:30 minutes, 1 of 7 from the field, 3 of 6 from the line, 10 boards, 3 to's, 0 assists, 3 fouls, his team loses again and has no chemistry.

If the skies the limit, maybe chicken little was on to something.

In other words, he had a bad game -- is that right?

Which means... what?

I see. You get your panties in a bunch when someone mentions he has a bad game and that his team usually loses. We should only talk about him after his best games. Gotcha. I'm on board now, champ.

dangermouse · Post #1005 » by **dangermouse** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:08 am

wow i wish we could have got kanter.

wall/beal/kanter would have made a great foundation to build on.

watching the jazz game now, damn good player.

payitforward · Post #1006 » by **payitforward** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Drummond tonight - 27:30 minutes, 1 of 7 from the field, 3 of 6 from the line, 10 boards, 3 to's, 0 assists, 3 fouls, his team loses again and has no chemistry.

If the skies the limit, maybe chicken little was on to something.

In other words, he had a bad game -- is that right?

Which means... what?

I see. You get your panties in a bunch when someone mentions he has a bad game and that his team usually loses. We should only talk about him after his best games. Gotcha. I'm on board now, champ.

Finally! It's about time.

More seriously -- it was the "chicken little" reference (which does imply a denial of what this kid has done so far, doesn't it?) that tweaked me into responding.

But, of course you are actually right -- about Drummond or Beal or Wall or any other young player we project to be a star -- we do have to wait and see. So... peace between us, Ruzious, peace and peace.

Post #1007 » by **montestewart** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:55 pm

We got Beal instead of Drummond. Time will tell indeed. OTOH, had Drummond been chosen 9th in 2011...

Post #1008 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:23 pm

Peace be with us, PIF. I like Drummond, but I don't see him as being anywhere near the next Shaq - other than in foul (fowl?) shooting. He's somewhere in the middle between the Clippers' center (name escapes me) and Shaq.

verbal8 · Post #1009 » by **verbal8** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:10 pm

Ruzious wrote: He's somewhere in the middle between the Clippers' center (name escapes me) and Shaq.

DeAndre Jordan. They seem pretty similar on the defensive end. The both are horrible FT shooters. However Drummond has produced similar offensive efficiency on low rather than miniscule usage.

Post #1010 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:17 pm

Speaking of Piston bigs, here's an interesting stat called shot-score from the people at Grantland - showing Monroe as second worst in the NBA.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -shotscore
Basically, they take the shots the player took and compare to how all other NBA players did taking what Grantland calls those same shots. Worst 5 in order - Monta Ellis, Monroe, Ramon Sessions, Westbrook, and Rubio.

closg00 · Post #1011 » by **closg00** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:09 pm

Oden VS Bynum, will either of them play this year?

tontoz · Post #1012 » by **tontoz** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:04 pm

Ruzious wrote:Speaking of Piston bigs, here's an interesting stat called shot-score from the people at Grantland - showing Monroe as second worst in the NBA.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -shotscore
Basically, they take the shots the player took and compare to how all other NBA players did taking what Grantland calls those same shots. Worst 5 in order - Monta Ellis, Monroe, Ramon Sessions, Westbrook, and Rubio.

That is odd. I always thought Monroe was a good scorer but he only shot 48.6% from the field last season.

go'stags · Post #1013 » by **go'stags** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:25 am

This article addresses shot-score and the problems with it. I can't disagree with their points.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/10/4822 ... trics-hook

Post #1014 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:01 am

Wow, $12M per for Derrick Favors. Has he shown any signs of being a star? (Not being sarcastic, I really don't watch him much.)

Post #1015 » by **montestewart** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:30 am

LyricalRico wrote:Wow, $12M per for Derrick Favors. Has he shown any signs of being a star? (Not being sarcastic, I really don't watch him much.)

That seems high, but I thought the same about McGee, Jordan, etc. Seems like maybe that's the going rate for non-elite bigs. Asik will probably get similar or more when he re-ups.

I watched favors a few times last year where he looked phenomenal, and almost every time I see him, he seems like he should be better than his numbers show. Maybe Utah is banking on him finally putting it all together, but looking at his record he seems barely above flatline.

Post #1016 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:25 am

Well, Favors is a young big with great physical attributes and is already one of the top rebounding and defensive bigs in the game. And they're banking on his offense developing - especially with the addition of Trey Burke. I think the writing was on the wall when Utah let Millsap and Jefferson go for... nothing. And expect a similar deal with Kanter next offseason. One problem with the pairing - they both tend to turn the ball over. Having a healthy Burke should help both of them.

FAH1223 · Post #1017 » by **FAH1223** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:02 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Wow, $12M per for Derrick Favors. Has he shown any signs of being a star? (Not being sarcastic, I really don't watch him much.)

In his limited minutes he is pretty solid and he can become the defensive anchor Utah needs. Remember, there's no Big Al or Millsap there anymore so he and Kanter will have plenty of minutes to show what they're made of.

Favors is also still really young. Utah will probably come out with a bargain. I see Favors getting 15-17 PPG and 11 Rebounds per game with good defense this year. He has all of the tools and needs more offensive game polish.

The Jazz are an organization that knows what they're doing.

closg00 · Post #1018 » by **closg00** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:27 pm

John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com reported this week that the Heat had tried to acquire then-76ers center Nikola Vucevic "feverishly" for one or both of their point guards before the center was traded to Orlando in the Dwight Howard trade a year ago.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... ic-in-2012

Per the chatter on the board of-late concerning Vucevic and the 2011 draft.

Post #1019 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:04 pm

C'mon Utah Jazz - $49M for former lottery pick and still potential star Derrick Favors is one thing, but paying even more for Gordon Heyward is crazy. That's going to be worse the the contract Mike Dunleavy got from GSW back in the day.

:nonono:

Post #1020 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:16 pm

LyricalRico wrote:C'mon Utah Jazz - $49M for former lottery pick and still potential star Derrick Favors is one thing, but paying even more for Gordon Heyward is crazy. That's going to be worse the the contract Mike Dunleavy got from GSW back in the day.

Whoa, I did a double-take on that, too - he's supposedly getting more than Favors. I mean - Hayward's a nice efficient 3 point shooter, but he's just a solid starting SF with ordinary physical ability. Coming out of college the same year, a lot of people thought Lazar Hayward had more upside potential - and he recently got cut. One gets a 50 mil contract, and the other gets cut.

Well, one was much more consistent and probably worked a lot harder than the other. There's a lesson there.