Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[hands11]

DNP-CD for Otto. I've said it since day 1. When Beal, Webster, and Ariza are all healthy, there simply is no PT for Porter. Add to that, that we also have a young wing in Rice to develop, then it makes great sense to deal Porter for some help at the big position. If Utah would do it, I'd easily trade Porter for Kanter (one of their fans said they'd do it in an instant).

Nah.. You don't know what you have yet. I don't think trading him would be wise. Specially when you don't know if Trevor A will be around. I even suggested the same in the past but now I'm not so sure that would be smart.

But I have a bigger question. At what point would people consider trading Wall and what PG out there would you like to see in his place ? Not saying trade him now. Just asking. Is a Wall the type you would trust to get it done in the playoffs and do you like a team with a PG like Wall, or do you want your franchise player at SG, SF or PF.

As good as CP3 is, he has no titles. And Wall isn't even as good as CP3. Is it a sound design for a team. Just not sure how Wall would take to be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team.

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Via-Trade

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[nate33]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231120/Kings-Searching-For-Pass-First-Point-Guard-Via-Trade

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Eric Maynor is their man!

[nuposse04]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231120/Kings-Searching-For-Pass-First-Point-Guard-Via-Trade

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Eric Maynor is their man!

it might have some legs to it, the Rudy Gay trade should be evident that they don't give a crap about advanced stats....although all you need are "normal" stats to judge Maynor

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231120/Kings-Searching-For-Pass-First-Point-Guard-Via-Trade

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There is no better pass-first pg than Maynor.... As long as you don't count the 22 seconds he dribbles off the clock as something he does before passing.

[nuposse04]

Singleton to the pelicans for the rights to pierre jackson...why has this not happened yet??

[GeeWiz]

DNP-CD for Otto. I've said it since day 1. When Beal, Webster, and Ariza are all healthy, there simply is no PT for Porter. Add to that, that we also have a young wing in Rice to develop, then it makes great sense to deal Porter for some help at the big position. If Utah would do it, I'd easily trade Porter for Kanter (one of their fans said they'd do it in an instant).

Nah.. You don't know what you have yet. I don't think trading him would be wise. Specially when you don't know if Trevor A will be around. I even suggested the same in the past but now I'm not so sure that would be smart.

But I have a bigger question. At what point would people consider trading Wall and what PG out there would you like to see in his place ? Not saying trade him now. Just asking. Is a Wall the type you would trust to get it done in the playoffs and do you like a team with a PG like Wall, or do you want your franchise player at SG, SF or PF.

As good as CP3 is, he has no titles. And Wall isn't even as good as CP3. Is it a sound design for a team. Just not sure how Wall would take to be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team.

Agreed with the whole CP3 thing. We need a franchise-changing big if we really want to compete, as a great PG alone just doesn't produce championships. Only time I ever remember a PG leading a team to the ship is Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons.

If we can find a way to get Joel Embidid (spelling lol?), he reminds me so much of Olajuwon with his ridiculous footwork.


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[stevemcqueen1]

Nene + Ariza for Pau Gasol and some sort of protected draft pick.

[Dark Faze]

Nene + Ariza for Pau Gasol and some sort of protected draft pick.

Would do that in a second to get our pick back. Might even let both Gortat and Pau walk. I don't think Gortat will be worth what he asks for--he's not the rim protector we need at C.

[TGW]

Nene + Ariza for Pau Gasol and some sort of protected draft pick.

The Lakers wouldn't do it. They are going to have max caproom after this season, I believe. We'd have to take Nash back in order for them to consider it.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Nene + Ariza for Pau Gasol and some sort of protected draft pick.

The Lakers wouldn't do it. They are going to have max caproom after this season, I believe. We'd have to take Nash back in order for them to consider it.

All in for the eighth seed, baby!

[Rafael122]

Nene + Ariza for Pau Gasol and some sort of protected draft pick.

A fantasy basketball trade I came up with:

Ariza + Seraphin + Vesely + Maynor + Harrington for Gasol + Farmar + Meeks

It's a playoff run type of move that still leaves both teams with cap space this summer since all of those contracts sans Maynor expire this year. We'd roll the rest of the season with a lineup like this:

PG - Wall/Farmar/Temple
SG - Beal/Meeks/Rice
SF - Webster/Porter/Singleton
PF - Nene/Booker
C - Gortat/Gasol

Bench is stronger, it opens up a roster spot that can be filled with vet minimum guy, probably a power forward. Lakers start the tank, get back Ariza who Kobe loves and we still maintain cap flexibility while we make a run at the playoffs.

[stevemcqueen1]

Nene + Ariza for Pau Gasol and some sort of protected draft pick.

The Lakers wouldn't do it. They are going to have max caproom after this season, I believe. We'd have to take Nash back in order for them to consider it.

If they were at all realistic, they'd realize they're going to have max cap room this offseason and nobody but guys like Evan Turner and Luol Deng to spend it on. They're going to be competing with the Philadelphias and Clevelands of the league for second tier FAs.

LeBron/Wade/Bosh aren't going anywhere and Melo isn't going to leave an awful team in New York where he gets all kinds of off court perks and a say in team matters for an awful team in LA where he doesn't get those things, has to play second fiddle to Kobe, and has to leave a ton of money behind.

The only outcomes I can see for Melo are staying with the Knicks or getting traded to the Clippers for something like Blake Griffin.

But I agree with you, they won't do that trade. They operate in a land of delusional Lakers exceptionalism.

[LyricalRico]

A fantasy basketball trade I came up with:

Ariza + Seraphin + Vesely + Maynor + Harrington for Gasol + Farmar + Meeks

It's a playoff run type of move that still leaves both teams with cap space this summer since all of those contracts sans Maynor expire this year. We'd roll the rest of the season with a lineup like this:

PG - Wall/Farmar/Temple
SG - Beal/Meeks/Rice
SF - Webster/Porter/Singleton
PF - Nene/Booker
C - Gortat/Gasol

Bench is stronger, it opens up a roster spot that can be filled with vet minimum guy, probably a power forward. Lakers start the tank, get back Ariza who Kobe loves and we still maintain cap flexibility while we make a run at the playoffs.

I'm actually not seeing LA wanting to "start the tank" (or at least I don't see Kobe letting them). This move gives them a weaker backcourt and they also lose the chance to potentially sign-and-trade Gasol in the offseason. If they're going to move Gasol, I think they would want more longterm value.

And Gasol playing backup C here? Nah, not seeing that either. LOL

[Nivek]

Unless Kobe can play better, he may not have a choice in terms of "letting" the Lakers tank this season.

[stevemcqueen1]

^ I'm actually not seeing LA wanting to "start the tank" (or at least I don't see Kobe letting them). This move gives them a weaker backcourt and they also lose the chance to potentially sign-and-trade Gasol in the offseason. If they're going to move Gasol, I think they would want more longterm value.

And Gasol playing backup C here? Nah, not seeing that either. LOL

Adding Nash to the trade makes it fail on salary. He doesn't make sense as part of the deal for either side.

IFF LA could accept that they aren't going to get Melo or LeBron (and I don't think they will), then the incentive for them is to turn one player they won't keep this summer into two players who are better than him, who could be important pieces of good team. They could afford to keep Ariza if they wanted to.

We'd be trading two guys for one player who is worse than both, so the primary incentive for us is swapping Nene's contract for an expiring. And hopefully getting a useful player for this year's playoff run out of it. Gasol wouldn't be our back up C. He'd be our starting PF. We rely on Nene a lot, and we probably need to break our reliance on him as smoothly as possible. And moving Ariza has the bonus effect of opening up minutes for Porter so we won't have any reason not to start playing and developing him.

But we don't need to move Nene or Ariza, and swapping them for Pau makes it harder for us to compete this season, without question. So I think additional incentive is necessarry. I'd take something like a top 12 protected pick for this year, or a future pick with less protection.

EDIT: just saw you were talking about a different trade proposal. Nevermind.

[Rafael122]

A fantasy basketball trade I came up with:

Ariza + Seraphin + Vesely + Maynor + Harrington for Gasol + Farmar + Meeks

It's a playoff run type of move that still leaves both teams with cap space this summer since all of those contracts sans Maynor expire this year. We'd roll the rest of the season with a lineup like this:

PG - Wall/Farmar/Temple
SG - Beal/Meeks/Rice
SF - Webster/Porter/Singleton
PF - Nene/Booker
C - Gortat/Gasol

Bench is stronger, it opens up a roster spot that can be filled with vet minimum guy, probably a power forward. Lakers start the tank, get back Ariza who Kobe loves and we still maintain cap flexibility while we make a run at the playoffs.

I'm actually not seeing LA wanting to "start the tank" (or at least I don't see Kobe letting them). This move gives them a weaker backcourt and they also lose the chance to potentially sign-and-trade Gasol in the offseason. If they're going to move Gasol, I think they would want more longterm value.

And Gasol playing backup C here? Nah, not seeing that either. LOL

What long term value? Gasol is what...32/33 years old and is on the decline? They're not going to get anything more than maybe a young player and expiring contracts. They had a chance to move Gasol several times in the past, when his value was higher, and did nothing. Now that he's on his last legs (seems like the Olympics was the swan song), this is what he's worth.

With Nene's injury history, he will no doubt get playing time, whether at the 4 or 5, feast on the lack of big men in the East and probably pump up his value for his last contract.

And as far as the Lakers and tanking is concerned, they went from .500 ball to 11-13 and on the decline. They simply don't have enough to make the playoffs.

[stevemcqueen1]

Unless Kobe can play better, he may not have a choice in terms of "letting" the Lakers tank this season.

Yep. Kobe is inadvertently killing that franchise's near term future too. His refusal to take a Garnett/Duncan like pay cut probably ensures they'll never contend with him as a highly productive player again. That's not his fault. It's the Lakers fault for their lack of discipline, and they're wholly unrealistic building plans.

If their goal was to win championships and not just make money, they should have forced Kobe to take a paycut or committed to a rebuild without him. And they also shouldn't have given that stupid contract to Steve Nash but that's done with.

But if the Lakers had gotten Kobe to take Duncan/KG money at about 10 or 11 million per for longer, instead of over 24 million per, they'd actually be able to build a really good team this summer. They could have made modest upgrades for championship caliber role players like Ariza and Nene and afforded to try and max someone like Greg Monroe. Does Detroit match a max offer on Monroe? I doubt it. Does Monroe choose anywhere else over a fiscally sound and balanced Lakers team? I doubt that even more.

Then they'd have the lottery pick from this season to find a long term foundation piece. Keep Jordan Hill, find another rim protecting PF/C type, a backup PG (Farmar is probably fine) and keep Duhon for the wing and they'd go into 2014-2015 in legitimately good shape. Good players throughout the rotation, balanced roster with a good mix of young and old, and a good financial situation.

But they screwed it up by thinking they're above the team building constraints that everyone else is subject to and now all of their hopes are tied to the Melo pipe dream.

[mhd]

I think the Bucks are going to trade Ersan. I also think Giannis is going to be a PF eventually.

Porter+Maynor+Singleton for Ersan. Ersan's played pretty poorly this year, but he's had a long track record as an excellent stretch big.

I don't think the Bucks could get a better offer than that.

[GeeWiz]

I think the Bucks are going to trade Ersan. I also think Giannis is going to be a PF eventually.

Porter+Maynor+Singleton for Ersan. Ersan's played pretty poorly this year, but he's had a long track record as an excellent stretch big.

I don't think the Bucks could get a better offer than that.

We. Are. Not. Going. To. Trade. Porter. This. Season.


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