Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[gambitx777]

I figure the simplest, best trade would be Paul to the Lakers for the #17, Mo Bamba, and Malik Beasley.

I think the Lakers are too smart to give up the 17th pick. They have to pay Reeves and potentially Rui. Beasley has a team option. I expect them to think we'll waive CP3 and they can offer much more money as a MLE vs the Clippers who can only offer the vet min.

That's what everyone said when they traded for Westbrook. They don't value mid firsts because they get all the premium undrafted talent they want and young dudes off rookie deals teams didn't want.

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[sogood]

I figure the simplest, best trade would be Paul to the Lakers for the #17, Mo Bamba, and Malik Beasley.

Why would the Lakers give up a first rounder when everyone and their mama knows that CP will get waived?

[WallToWall]

So, on wednesday, we will know for sure if KP picks up his option year of his contract. If he does pick up the $36M for 1 yr offer, then he can be traded in the upcoming draft, or we get to keep him on the roster. If he doesn't pick up the option...well, he will be basically looking for other teams to field some offers. I doubt he will get better than $36M, but you never know. Chances are that he will pick up his option.

Kuzma is a s good as gone. Not sure about this, so someone with knowledge confirm/correct it... Kuzma gains nothing in a sign and trade, meaning he will not be able to increase his salary if its a S&T versus going out on the open market and getting offers. So, pretty good chance that we will get nothing in return for him, as there will be little chance for a S&T.

The next few days will be interesting, as many of the current Wizard players could be on the move.

[gambitx777]

Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade when he might only get 4 else where if a team is willing to give him 5 we might get something out of him.

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[gambitx777]

I figure the simplest, best trade would be Paul to the Lakers for the #17, Mo Bamba, and Malik Beasley.

Why would the Lakers give up a first rounder when everyone and their mama knows that CP will get waived?

Because the wizards don't have to waive him. With kuz gone we need to spend the money. CP3 has no real power to fight it and he can sit or play. We have no incentive to waive him at all.

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[queridiculo]

I figure the simplest, best trade would be Paul to the Lakers for the #17, Mo Bamba, and Malik Beasley.

Why would the Lakers give up a first rounder when everyone and their mama knows that CP will get waived?

Because the wizards don't have to waive him. With kuz gone we need to spend the money. CP3 has no real power to fight it and he can sit or play. We have no incentive to waive him at all.

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The Wizards don't "have" to spend money.

Accounting for team spending doesn't happen until the end of the season so Washington has all the time in the world to figure out how to spend towards the salary floor.

Washington isn't going to play games and stay in his way if the parameters for a transaction either come out even or are slightly in their favor.

Pissing of high profile players and their representation isn't good business.

[HartfordWhalers]

Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade

I would double check this.

[DCZards]

Why would the Lakers give up a first rounder when everyone and their mama knows that CP will get waived?

Because the wizards don't have to waive him. With kuz gone we need to spend the money. CP3 has no real power to fight it and he can sit or play. We have no incentive to waive him at all.

The Wizards don't "have" to spend money.

Accounting for team spending doesn't happen until the end of the season so Washington has all the time in the world to figure out how to spend towards the salary floor.

Washington isn't going to play games and stay in his way if the parameters for a transaction either come out even or are slightly in their favor.

Pissing of high profile players and their representation isn't good business.

Yeah…I don’t know where this notion comes from that letting healthy, top players sit (or “pound sand”) if they don’t go along with your program is ever a realistic solution.

[machu46]

I don't see why they'd waive him for nothing.

Well, they'd save about $45 million before June 28, if that article is correct. If that's the case, then I could see them opting for the savings vs. keeping the player and hoping he gets something at the deadline.

CP3 is probably getting most or all of his $30M guaranteed to make the trade work for 2023-24. I've read anywhere form $25M to the full $30M will be guaranteed to make the trade work. So the savings on waiving him are minimal if any.

His $30M for 2024-25 is not guaranteed. That's a huge chip at the deadline.

I don't expect CP3 to be here for one second. I also expect Wright & Morris to be gone. We need to be undoubtedly the worst team in the NBA next year. Wright hurt us last year by being so good and winning games with his excellent defense.

The 2024 NBA Draft isn't good. They will almost certainly have a veteran PG in that room.

He’ll probably get $25-30 million guaranteed, but since the trade has not been finalized yet and they’re attempting to make it a three team deal, it’s still currently just $16 mil and there’s some possibility (probably not super likely because Phoenix would have to increase the outgoing salary some other way) that they can figure out a trade where only the $16 mil is guaranteed.

Again though, very likely he does ultimately get his contract guaranteed for $25-30 million.


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[gambitx777]

Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade

I would double check this.

We own kuzmas bird rights. We can give him more money and more years than every one else if another team wants to give him a 5th year it has to be via sign and trade.

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[HartfordWhalers]

Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade

I would double check this.

We own kuzmas bird rights. We can give him more money and more years than every one else if another team wants to give him a 5th year it has to be via sign and trade.

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Again, I would strongly suggest you double check that.

[AFM]

Why don’t you just educate him then instead of just popping in and telling everyone else to double check it? You’re not being helpful at all.

[gambitx777]

Why don’t you just educate him then instead of just popping in and telling everyone else to double check it? You’re not being helpful at all.

As far as I know we have kuzmas bird rights. Specifically his early bird rights.meaning we can go over the cap to sign him to a deal at most up to 175% of his current deal. 22.5 ish million, and we can give him up to 5 years off his bird rights as teams resigning their own players can. I do not believe that is reserved just for full bird rights unless something was changed or I was mistaken. So I less a team wants to pay kuz 28 a year to make up that last year it would be in their best interest to do a sign and trade to stretch that money out to a fifth year with the new rules. Which I did double check and found no information states I was wrong on that. Nate please correct me if I'm wrong.

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[80sballboy]

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[JWizmentality]

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Lol. Where do people get this crap?

[nate33]

If the market price for Kuzma is merely the MLE, I'd definitely offer him something in the $14-16M range.

That said, I seriously doubt Cleveland has any chance at Kuzma at that price.

[joshuacf]

Because the wizards don't have to waive him. With kuz gone we need to spend the money. CP3 has no real power to fight it and he can sit or play. We have no incentive to waive him at all.

The Wizards don't "have" to spend money.

Accounting for team spending doesn't happen until the end of the season so Washington has all the time in the world to figure out how to spend towards the salary floor.

Washington isn't going to play games and stay in his way if the parameters for a transaction either come out even or are slightly in their favor.

Pissing of high profile players and their representation isn't good business.

Yeah…I don’t know where this notion comes from that letting healthy, top players sit (or “pound sand”) if they don’t go along with your program is ever a realistic solution.

I've never understood this logic that GMs have to go along with whatever the players want in order to "avoid pissing off high-profile players".

If Beal had wanted to go to the Nets, and had demanded we trade him for Ben Simmons straight up, should we have accepted that trade?

You should avoid being unnecessarily antagonistic with high-profile players. You also should not cave to literally any demand that a high-profile player makes.

If teams know they don't need to make a deal with us for CP3 because we're just going to cut him if we can't find a deal, then we'll never be able to make a deal.

We should be looking to make a deal to move CP3. We absolutely should not be going into this with the idea that either we make a deal or we cut CP3. That's just terrible business and other teams will find that out and exploit us.

[GoneShammGone]

The Wizards don't "have" to spend money.

Accounting for team spending doesn't happen until the end of the season so Washington has all the time in the world to figure out how to spend towards the salary floor.

Washington isn't going to play games and stay in his way if the parameters for a transaction either come out even or are slightly in their favor.

Pissing of high profile players and their representation isn't good business.

Yeah…I don’t know where this notion comes from that letting healthy, top players sit (or “pound sand”) if they don’t go along with your program is ever a realistic solution.

I've never understood this logic that GMs have to go along with whatever the players want in order to "avoid pissing off high-profile players".

If Beal had wanted to go to the Nets, and had demanded we trade him for Ben Simmons straight up, should we have accepted that trade?

You should avoid being unnecessarily antagonistic with high-profile players. You also should not cave to literally any demand that a high-profile player makes.

If teams know they don't need to make a deal with us for CP3 because we're just going to cut him if we can't find a deal, then we'll never be able to make a deal.

We should be looking to make a deal to move CP3. We absolutely should not be going into this with the idea that either we make a deal or we cut CP3. That's just terrible business and other teams will find that out and exploit us.

Agreed. And there is precedent for this. Look at how Houston handled the John Wall situation. He told them flat out to trade him, and they said, "Sure, we'll try, but we're not going to take just any deal, and we're not going to give up assets to make it happen." Then they just sat him on the bench. And given John's contract, and the fact that there was no demand for him, that situation lasted an entire season, until a buy-out made sense.

As for CP3, I don't see that the Wizards will waive him without some kind of $$ savings. Maybe a buyout happens, but I don't know how that works with another year left on his deal...

[HartfordWhalers]

Why don’t you just educate him then instead of just popping in and telling everyone else to double check it? You’re not being helpful at all.

The rules have been in place that make his statement not true for about a half dozen years. At least from my perspective, it is not really a mystery, but I quoted the specific part that wasn't accurate so as to make identifying it obvious

Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade

In case that still isn't clear,

Kuzma cannot get a 5th year in a sign and trade.

[joshuacf]

Why don’t you just educate him then instead of just popping in and telling everyone else to double check it? You’re not being helpful at all.

The rules have been in place that make his statement not true for about a half dozen years. At least from my perspective, it is not really a mystery, but I quoted the specific part that wasn't accurate so as to make identifying it obvious

Kuzma can get a 5th year in a sign and trade

In case that still isn't clear,

Kuzma cannot get a 5th year in a sign and trade.

Cool dude. Maybe next time, just say he can't get a 5th year straight up, instead of condescendingly telling him to double-check it. You aren't a Middle School teacher helping a kid with a math problem.