dckingsfan wrote:payitforward wrote:A player is as good as the numbers he puts up when on the court -- quantity numbers & percentage numbers. Period.
Again, this proposition fails the proof. A player will produce differently depending on the players that player is playing with as well as the schema that player is playing in (the 5 center rotation that isn't real world but proves the point)....
& if you tie one hand to his hip -- don't forget that.
Apparently, I forgot the word "overall" in the sentence you quote above. Let me correct myself: overall, a player is as good as the overall numbers he puts up when on the court -- quantity numbers & percentage numbers. Period.
Players aren't machines. They don't reproduce their overall average results each time they take the court. Thus, one must also say that a player is as good in a particular game as the numbers he puts up in that particular game.
The overall numbers are a measure over time; they include every single one of the times the player produces at a level above his average along with all the times he produces at a below average level. I.e. the overall numbers are a result of all conditions, of every minute played with every other player the guy plays with.
Those numbers tell us how good he is overall. They are how we judge every single player in the league.
We have 3 plus years of those numbers for Rui.
OTOH, if you imagine there's some set of players on this team, or on any team, that would make Rui produce better results if/when they played alongside him, feel free to suggest their names.
dckingsfan wrote:...Given that this is the line-ups and rotation analysis thread. I would think you would need to have a way to prove otherwise, no? ...
I think it'd be up to you to "prove" your point -- though proof is too severe a test. Just providing some evidence would suffice as a strong start. With whom does Rui play best?
dckingsfan wrote:...One could posit that Rui isn't a good player....
"Good player" = "player who puts up good overall numbers while on the court." Period. To date, a handful of games into his 4th season, Rui hasn't done that, neither overall nor for any of those seasons.
Hence, we don't have to "posit" anything. Overall, in his career to this point, Rui Hachimura hasn't been a good player.
dckingsfan wrote:...But it is an entirely different proposition to posit that there isn't an ideal rotation to maximize Rui's numbers within this current roster and a set of schemas that a coach could roll out....
?? Why would anyone posit this? Plus... who cares? &, finally, why is it a goal to "maximize Rui's numbers?"
Or do you mean to posit that there is "an ideal rotation" that would BOTH a) maximize Rui's numbers & also b) produce better overall team numbers than the same rotation except with someone else on the floor instead of Rui?
If this second "ideal rotation" is what you mean, then please note Doc's original point about Rui's effect on the output of rotations he's part of. All rotations.
dckingsfan wrote:...Or let me put it another way, if I was going to accentuate Rui's inability to rebound, I would pair him with Gafford and Gill.
But... but... but... Rui *has* played with those guys! Have those minutes served to "accentuate Rui's inability to rebound?"
