2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[Severn Hoos]

and the fact that we still haven't heard anything about the wiz looking into backup C's for the second year in a row when we clearly needed one is hilarious as well--yet he's got his eyes set on the small forward position despite us having two pretty good prospects at the position already

organization is clown shoes

Not true - we've got Giannis Bourousis and Nick Minnerath on speed dial, baby! That's two All-Stars right there!

[Dark Faze]

If you can't draft then you're ALWAYS going to have to overpay to bring quality talent to a place with a reputation like DC.

Look, looks as though some people disagree with me on Howard--I think he's better than Gortat, others don't, that's fine, but Indy just retooled in a massive way, Bosh looks set to return to the Heat, the Hornets kept Batum and add a (knock on wood) healthy MKG next year--minor adjustments are not going to get it done for us

But neither is paying $10M a year more for Howard than what you're paying Gortat. There's little reason to believe Howard is even an upgrade over Gortat, and he's certainly a downgrade when it comes to durability and team leadership. You can't do something just for the sake of doing something.

You don't buy stock at the top of a bull market just because you have some cash available. Sometimes, the best move is to hoard cash for a while.

Likewise, what the Wiz are doing now is buying the stock of a company that a CEO moved to despite having the last business he was at run into the ground. We've seen how the Marcin and Kieff combo ended--and it's not like they were even piloted with trash--they had Dudley and Goran Dragic. I'll take the hope of Dwight Howard regaining form with John Wall over hoping things end up differently here because reasons.

Secondly, we're not going to hoard the cash. It's getting used to overpay other guys. Just a matter of time. So its a choice between overpaying potentially an all-star flop, or overpaying potentially roleplayer flops.

[Rafael122]

What makes the whole situation interesting is that there's another cap jump to about $110 million next season. As of now, I've got us pegged at around $79 million in salaries including Wall, Gortat, Morris, Oubre, Webster's buyout, Porter's cap hold, Beal's $24 million salary and a first round pick.

Say you add Satoransky, say you add a mini-max guy (in the 16-17 mil range), we'll have $6 mil to spend next offseason, roughly. I mean the core of the team is still there but there's not much room to add anything. It's a delicate balance, you spend because you have to at this point, but you're also not trying to blow your cap space next year either.

[Dark Faze]

jesus

evan turner 17 million a year

[Dark Faze]

Ryan Andersons number probably starts at 21 now

[Rafael122]

Turner's contract is probably around what Otto will get, that contract negotiation will be interesting to follow.

[80sballboy]

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[Dark Faze]

Turner's contract is probably around what Otto will get, that contract negotiation will be interesting to follow.

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[verbal8]

Turner's contract is probably around what Otto will get, that contract negotiation will be interesting to follow.

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If the cap rises again and Porter continues to improve an extension under $20 million/year is probably about right.

[pcbothwel]

Turner's contract is probably around what Otto will get, that contract negotiation will be interesting to follow.

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If the cap rises again and Porter continues to improve an extension under $20 million/year is probably about right.

Yup, In all my forecast I've been assuming the Kanter contract for Otto. I actually think 4/75M for Otto would be a great deal.

[bsilver]

That is not a good enough reason to make a bad decision about the allocation of resources. You are going to cede too much future flexibility to signing a washed up Dwight, and that is a sure way to make Wall unhappy.

I think you're underestimating just how negative it would be if we signed Dwight to a big deal and he continued his decline and left yet another locker room in upheaval. Look at how we're responding to Beal's bad contract. If you think the fanbase is pissed off and teetering on the edge now, imagine how it will be in year three of Dwight's terrible contract, stuck with no room and a flattened out or decreased cap, and Wall taking meetings with RC Buford and Pat Riley and huddling up with Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins about where they can team up. That is the nightmare scenario.

The decline is definitely real but its SERIOUSLY lacking context. He went from being a first option in Orlando during the old era where mid-ranged jumpshots ruled and then went to play with two of the biggest ballstoppers in league history with James Harden and Kobe Bryant WHILE the league transitioned to a three point heavy offense. And in an absolutely cancerous year where he was iced out many times and had career low usage you consider 14 and 12 and 2 in the western conference to be indicative of a disasterous result when paired with a pass first point guard in the east?

We just see this differently. Nobody would cry about Dwight to DC aside from the guys here who go to basketball reference. He's simply much more marketable and a bigger name than Gortat.

We're going to be in a horrific cap situation maybe even by the end of the day regardless of Dwight. The difference between Gortat + Mo Harkless + Ryan Anderson and Dwight and trading Gortat for other roleplayers is not as big as you think. And Dwight would very likely make an all-star game in the east.

Do you think us missing the playoffs again with stale ass unmarketable Gortat and Markieff and Ryan Anderson really has a better chance of keeping Wall in DC? ****, he's already lost a major endorsement in Adidas who saw his value going down.

Wall wants a rim protector. I'd give the money to Biyombo. He's as good as Howard now, and will be better than Howard, as he gets better and Howard continues to decline.
I see a potential star, but maybe I'm putting too much into how played in the playoffs and how he destroyed us.

[just1bullet]

Was Beal sign and trade not even an option!
Why sign Beal before another team makes him an offer...We can Match!
Should have called LAC about Blake
Should have Called Boston and tried to do sign and trade for Turner+Smart+Sullinger Boston lost Turner, will lose Sullenger and Smart is excess

Call Barnes offer Max
Wall
Beal
Barns
Morris
Gortat
Pretty good team

[Kanyewest]

Turner's contract is probably around what Otto will get, that contract negotiation will be interesting to follow.

Otto should get more given that he's a better 3 point shooter.

[Dat2U]

Was Beal sign and trade not even an option!
Why sign Beal before another team makes him an offer...We can Match!
Should have called LAC about Blake
Should have Called Boston and tried to do sign and trade for Turner+Smart+Sullinger Boston lost Turner, will lose Sullenger and Smart is excess

Call Barnes offer Max
Wall
Beal
Barns
Morris
Gortat
Pretty good team

I doubt a Beal S&T would be possible for TWO free agents & Boston likely does't consider Smart as "excess".

Barnes isn't even better than Otto so I don't see how that makes us any better.

[80sballboy]

Rudy Gay
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[Severn Hoos]

Magic Sign Evan Fournier.
Blazers sign Evan Turner.
Maybe Wiz can sign Evan Nolte?

[FAH1223]

I'd extend Otto this fall with the cap going to $110M next year.

[80sballboy]

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[pcbothwel]

Rudy Gay
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I wouldnt give up an asset, but I would take him on as a dump no question. I'd take Koufos as well.
Gay is 6'7 w/o shoes, 230 lbs, 7'3 wingspan and 9' standing reach.
He'd be a hell of a small ball 4 for one year at 13M.

[gtn130]

Turner's contract is probably around what Otto will get, that contract negotiation will be interesting to follow.

Otto should get more given that he's a better 3 point shooter.

Otto should get more given he's better at a lot of things and is four years younger. Otto >> Turner