Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[fishercob]

Goldentstate intrested in Javale Mcgee http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/wizar ... edID=10480

They're going to have $10M - $12M in cap room this summer before draft picks and any cap-cutting moves. They don't have their amnesty chip any more, having wasted it on Charlie Bell.

I'm guessing they could pretty easily make a trade to free up a little more cap room (if they even needed to) and then sign Vale to a big offer sheet without having to give up any assets for his RFA rights.

I don't see them giving up enough for Vale now to entice us to give up his RFA rights. I don't see them taking Blatche.

Lee for McGee+Turiaf+Seraphin? I might just do that, but would need my cap guys to convince me this won't hurt me too much in Lee's out years.

Lee+Biedrins for McGee+ Lewis? I don't think I could do this. Too much long term money.

Edit: Another option is Lee+ Kwame (cut/bought out before the ink is dry) +McGuire for McGee + Lewis. It would push GS right up against the cap next year w/Vale's extension and Shard's buyout, but that would go away after a year.

If ownership has the nuts and cash to amnesty Dray, a trade built around McGee for Lee might not be terrible. That said, considering what I said in the FA thread about Cuban's comments, taking on Lee at any cost might be too much of an impatient move that will hurt in a few years when the market changes.

[7-Day Dray]

Not that I dont agree with most of you here who tout guys like Faried, but I believe we should all temper our growth projections. There are numerous instances of polished players falling out of the lottery who go on to have success their rookie year and everyone says "how could you miss on that guy when his productivity was staring you in the face." Like I said, i agree that a lot of GM's overlook important statistical indicators for the sake of "athleticsm and potential", but just look at the list of guys below and how they were perceived after their rookie year and compare to now.

2009:
Darren Collison: Some people wanted to trade CP3 in order to start Collison, since then he has regressed.
DeJuan Blair: While a good rebounder, he has stagnated/regressed offensively and defensively
Taj Gibson: Again, no real growth from Rookie Year
Omar Casspi: Regressed to not even starting for Cavs.

2008:
Jason Thompson: supposed to be the hard working Blatche...no growth
George Hill: "should we trade Tony Parker"...Hill is basically gone nowhere
Courtney Lee: Clutch for Magic in playoffs. Nothing since
CDR: Made a name with Rose at Memphis as polisched wing. Never progessed

2007:
Carl Landry
Rudy Fernandez
Quincy Douby

2006:
Craig Smith
Renaldo Balkman
Leon Powe
Daniel Gibson

Again, I do not disagree with the Faried assessment on here by some, Im just saying we should "temper" our disappointment for other teams rookie performances.

Excellent post! Food for thought right there.

Don't forget to add Al Thornton to that list. He was a 23 y/o when drafted, and has a great rookie season, but his game never progressed, and now, he currently isn't on an NBA roster.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Goldentstate intrested in Javale Mcgee http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/wizar ... edID=10480

Weird coincidence, but GS was the team interested in another Wizards FA, Gilbert Arenas.

Honestly, I'm hoping for a happy conclusion to the Javale McGee saga in DC. I want a good trade for the Wizards and Javale by March 15. I don't want this to drag on.

[Jay81]

Mcgee has had his best games against GS. No wonder they love him!

[Tyrone Messby]

LOL just saw Blatches post game interview. What a pussy! Get him the hell out of here. Letting the fans get to him? Lol is he a rookie? What a puss. Oh and this might be the most pathetic game of the season. Blown out by a road weary team? Pathetic.

[BanndNDC]

...Lee for McGee+Turiaf+Seraphin? I might just do that, but would need my cap guys to convince me this won't hurt me too much in Lee's out years.

Lee+Biedrins for McGee+ Lewis? I don't think I could do this. Too much long term money.

Edit: Another option is Lee+ Kwame (cut/bought out before the ink is dry) +McGuire for McGee + Lewis. It would push GS right up against the cap next year w/Vale's extension and Shard's buyout, but that would go away after a year.

If ownership has the nuts and cash to amnesty Dray, a trade built around McGee for Lee might not be terrible. That said, considering what I said in the FA thread about Cuban's comments, taking on Lee at any cost might be too much of an impatient move that will hurt in a few years when the market changes.

meh. i dont see any reason to do that. i like Lee and even Biedrens (have fond memories of screaming ever increasing insulting comments at him in Russian (combination of great seats, beer and a russian speaking friend egging me on) and then being asked to take pictures of his family (or friends)) and dont mind trading for them. but their contracts are pretty bad (like jamison at the end bad). if we are getting udoh or thompson im perfectly happy to take on one of their bad contracts for mcgee, but if we aren't then i'd rather just let mcgee walk (if it came to that) and significantly overpay ilyasova for less than lee or biedrens are getting. [although it might be fun to get kwame for the year so we have someone to boo and heckle mercilessly every night to divert the hate from baltche and young]

[SUPERBALLMAN]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... ve_Big_Man

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6052807

Blatche + 2nd round pick (the later of the 2) to Miami for Joel Anthony, James Jones, 1st round pick (late 1st)??

[Dat2U]

Not that I dont agree with most of you here who tout guys like Faried, but I believe we should all temper our growth projections. There are numerous instances of polished players falling out of the lottery who go on to have success their rookie year and everyone says "how could you miss on that guy when his productivity was staring you in the face." Like I said, i agree that a lot of GM's overlook important statistical indicators for the sake of "athleticsm and potential", but just look at the list of guys below and how they were perceived after their rookie year and compare to now.

2009:
Darren Collison: Some people wanted to trade CP3 in order to start Collison, since then he has regressed.
DeJuan Blair: While a good rebounder, he has stagnated/regressed offensively and defensively
Taj Gibson: Again, no real growth from Rookie Year
Omar Casspi: Regressed to not even starting for Cavs.

2008:
Jason Thompson: supposed to be the hard working Blatche...no growth
George Hill: "should we trade Tony Parker"...Hill is basically gone nowhere
Courtney Lee: Clutch for Magic in playoffs. Nothing since
CDR: Made a name with Rose at Memphis as polisched wing. Never progessed

2007:
Carl Landry
Rudy Fernandez
Quincy Douby

2006:
Craig Smith
Renaldo Balkman
Leon Powe
Daniel Gibson

Again, I do not disagree with the Faried assessment on here by some, Im just saying we should "temper" our disappointment for other teams rookie performances.

I think Faried is a stud but I agree with your post in general. Fans and even front offices tend to overrate and overvalue young players. While Booker has had some modest success in the NBA, I think it's obvious to see the limitations in Booker's game but that doesn't stop some from valuing him as core piece to build round or believing that may grow into being a possible starter.

Outside of Wall and to some extent McGee, all our young guys are incredibly replaceable and in their best case scenarios would project as only role players off the bench. I'd have no qualms with trading anyone outside of Wall for veteran rotation help. I'd want a bit more for McGee though.

[truwizfan4evr]

Do, you feel bad for Dray being booed? Or you feel he deserves it? I personally think he's deserves it with his bad and selfish plays. Don't get me wrong I think he's a talented guy but his low basketball IQ stands in his way of him ever reaching his full potential. I even enjoy him being booed get rid of this bum. And send Ernie packing also. I would take anyone for Dray that how desperate I am. 7 day Dray good name for him out of shape and plays with no effort 7 days a week.

[rl25g]

Fairest GSW trade

Biedrins, Udoh, Thompson, 3 mil cash for Young, Turiaf, Mcgee

GS parts with two young prospects, but get its center that compliments their style of play,get rid of Biedrins, and get two expiring contracts who can also help them compete short term.

We trade the potential of McGee and our expiring contracts for Biedrins, and two prospects who fit into a new culture of play.

It works in the trade machine, but we take between 3-4 mil back in salary, so GSW gives us the cash.

[BanndNDC]

I dont think we can get cash back in a trade this year. Didnt we get $3m as part of the Turiaf trade? and isnt there a limit on cash as part of trades in the new CBA?

otherwise that's as good as we can get for mcgee at this point so id do it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Miami needs a C. The Wizards want to part with Javale. This would give the Heat the championship on a silver platter. Would it be worthwhile to the Wizards?

Washington sends Javale McGee
Miami James Jones, Juwan Howard (expiring to be immediately waived), 2012 1st round pick

Maybe end up with James Jones and Jeff Withey/Festus Ezeli/Fab Melo. Jones can hit a three.

[Illuminaire]

Expirings are worthless in regards to McGee since we could just not sign him for the same benefit.

That means the only value coming back is the 28-30th pick in the draft. That's not enough. They'd need to throw in unprotected 2014 and 16 firsts for me to even consider that as a GM. (Which seems like a lot, but only really has much worth if they crash and burn from injuries, so it's a gamble for both sides.)

[llcc25]

Expirings are worthless in regards to McGee since we could just not sign him for the same benefit.

That means the only value coming back is the 28-30th pick in the draft. That's not enough. They'd need to throw in unprotected 2014 and 16 firsts for me to even consider that as a GM. (Which seems like a lot, but only really has much worth if they crash and burn from injuries, so it's a gamble for both sides.)

I think you're overvaluing McGee. IMO, if we can get back a 1st (even 28-30) and low cost 3pt specialist like James Jones, its worth considering. No team IMO will be crazy enough to offer much more than that. In MIA's case, McGee would most certainly be a rental as I'm convinced he won't be the answer at Center for them, so I can't see them offering anything more than what CCJ proposed.

Ideally, I'd like to get a pick in the 11-15 range so we can pick up a player like Tyler Zeller but McGee's trade value is no where near that now based on his recent play and free agency status this summer. So, I think we have to be realistic in what we can get for McGee and pull the trigger sooner rather than later.

[gesa2]

Whatever value McGee has is based on potential. There's no way a contending team like Miami would take him on now, he couldn't play defense in their system.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Whatever value McGee has is based on potential. There's no way a contending team like Miami would take him on now, he couldn't play defense in their system.

I strongly, strongly disagree.

Javale would be playing defense with Bosh at PF and with Wade and Lebron on the wings. His PG, Chalmers, would be a much better defender than Wall. Spoelstra is a master psychologist and a Filipino American. Javale is beloved in the Philippines. Aside from having much better teammates, a better coaching staff, McGee would be more than welcomed on the Heat

gesa2, Miami would jump all over this deal because they would add McGee while still keeping their defenders Anthony and Haslem. That team has so many veterans, what would end up happening is a guy like Juwan Howard would take McGee aside and actually teach him something.

That is the very thing Pam McGee correctly noted--nobody has helped Javale with the Wizards. No good veteran has done so. Andray Blatche? His backup C ... Seraphin?

What Javale would do is give them the dunks they didn't have when they faced Dallas in the finals. Tyson Chandler killed them by rolling to the basket. McGee can do that, too.

Miami would be crazy not to take McGee. Javale brings both positive and negative energy, but the thing Wizard fans have so lost track of is the guy can rebound well and he can block shots from the weak side. The reason he gets killed for the Wizards is Washington doesn't have ANYONE who scores in the post and pressures defenders with their offense. Washington doesn't have a physical big, besides relatively unskilled Seraphin.

Javale in place of Joel Anthony would be almost an unfair advantage to the Heat. He would pick up defense IMO in a hurry.

[Illuminaire]

McGee is a slightly below average starting center in a league lacking big men, and has a lot of athletic potential a team can get talked into. He's worth way more than a 28th pick.

[Illuminaire]

Miami would be crazy not to take McGee.

^
Agree with CCJ. The Heat would put him through boot camp. I put Miami with San Antonio for having a system and making guys conform to it; if he couldn't make it there, he can't make it anywhere.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee is a slightly below average starting center in a league lacking big men, and has a lot of athletic potential a team can get talked into. He's worth way more than a 28th pick.

Not as an RFA who they're going to have to bid on.

Who would give more for McGee, also, with him making almost every NBA blooper real from running the wrong way to dunks off the backboard? I think teams would not burn a draft pick this year. They would have last season. Not now, IMO.

I'm with lcc25. I think the window is closing on what the Wizards can get for Javale McGee.

[Dat2U]

McGee is a slightly below average starting center in a league lacking big men, and has a lot of athletic potential a team can get talked into. He's worth way more than a 28th pick.

This. People underestimate the ego of GMs and coaches. Trust me, there's more than one that thinks they are just the guy to turn Javale into a legit player.