Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Unless the Hornets are willing to move Ryan Anderson, the only deal that make any semblence of sense is the Derrick Williams swap. Then, take Zeller, Mccollum (in that order) at 9.

I'd consider Olynyk as a tremendous fit at #9, also.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Bennett doesn't have too many weaknesses on paper situationally aside from his lack of prolific scoring ability one-on-one and in the post. It will be interesting to see if he can translate his efficiency to the next level and become a more dynamic threat creating for himself in the paint or facing up from the midrange in the coming seasons.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2WsL200pe
http://www.draftexpress.com

^ To follow up on my last post: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jus ... -Crop-4280 , a complete list of highly informative advanced stat leaderboards can be found at the above link.

This is a bit concerning. It's good that he was an efficient finisher and player in general, but the fact that he didn't stand out as being particularly great as an iso player kind of stinks. The vision of being able to pass the ball to Bennett on the block and allow him to go to work with efficiency doens't seem to be supported by the data and it looks like he'll have to succeed primarily as an off the ball talent at the next level.

Bennett is not the pick at three that I would make. Porter, Noel, Oladipo, Zeller, Olynyk, Len, McCollum, Burke, and Adams are players I would pick over Anthony Bennett

[montestewart]

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

So you wouldn't take Tyson Chandler or Mutombo top 3 in this draft?

Chandler 7-1 235 2nd pick in a crap draft where Kwame when #1. P Gasol was clearly the pick in that draft.

For this team...Chandler ? no.

Not with the other options that are there, his health issues, and how long it took for him to get it going. By the time you really wanted him, he cost a ton of money. So no to Chandler for the Wizards this year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-chandler

Are you arguing this is the guy you want at #3. Look at his first 5 years with Chicago. Can't hit a FT. Doesn't score that well. Solid rebounding but not eye popping.

No, I would not take Chandler.

Mutombo was 7-2 245 that ended up 260. Picked 4th in another crappy draft and a long long time ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikembe_Mutombo

Mutombo's impact was immediate. As a rookie, he was selected for the All-Star team and averaged 16.6 points, 12.3 rebounds, and nearly three blocks per game. His original intention was to become a doctor.

His combination of height, power and long arms have led to a record tying four NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards, a feat equaled only by Ben Wallace. He was also an eight-time All-Star and was elected into three All-NBA and six All-Defensive Teams.[10] Along with his defensive prowess Mutombo also could contribute offensively, averaging at least 10 points per game until he reached age 35

Would I take Mutombo. Does a Bear **** in the woods ?

But I don't think Noel will be Mutombo. He is shorter and lighter.

If anything Noel is more likely to be the injury ridden Marcus Camby who started zero games in his 3rd year and 11 in his 4th year. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... rcus-camby

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-h ... syear=1996

Chalk me up as rather having Ray Allen or Kobe out of that draft.

So you would take a "one-way player" in the top three. That's all I wanted to clarify.

PS: Chandler's first 5 years: 10.4 PP36, 11.3 RP36, 2.1 BP36, and he averaged 28.5 MPG and only miseed serious time (more than half a season) during one of those five years. His FT% was .615, definitely not good, but far from unheard of for a young big (see Dwight, Shaq, Duncan, Chamberlain, etc.) His PER was only 14.4, but his WS/48 was .123, and generally trending upward. The Bulls traded him after an off year, getting not much in return. Bad move.

[montestewart]

Part VII !!!!

when EG is GM, there's a lot to talk about. Like how much can go wrong.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

except we don't have a go to scorer. If you want to make wall a go to scorer, expect to see the same results with him physically that we saw with Gilbert Arenas. Beal is not a go to scorer, he is a spot up shooter. Porter is not a go to scorer. Nene is not a night to night go to scorer. Okafor definitely is not a go to scorer. There is a huge problem with this line up longterm. Are we expecting to pull a go to front court scorer in the future?
Beal is what he is and he is definitely a system guy, he doesn't have the tools to take over a game at will.
Wall can attack the rim, but do we want that to be his role considering his injury history and what we learned about forcing your point guard to carry the scoring load every night and heighten injury issues associated with being a number one option point guard getting knocked to the ground multiples times per game trying to take it inside.
Porter is absolutely NOT a go to scorer and NEVER will be.
We need a plan.

One plan is trade with Minnesota for Derrick Williams, JJ Barea, and two firsts. Choose scorers Olynyk and Wolters.

Three point shooting almost won a title for the Spurs. Olynyk is a very efficient shooter and so is Wolters. Williams is a young Antawn Jamison. Instead of getting THE alpha male just surround Wall and Beal with proficient scorers. Wolters and Olynyk both were top-5 NCAA scorers. Barea has an NBA championship ring. Williams has a lot of skill and sick range on his shot.

That is one plan.

WD, I would even go Adams instead of Olynyk and grab a big who defends. Wolters is the guy I really like. Olynyk will need some help defensively but will be a very good NBA scorer.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-top-5-lists-1

Tremendous stuff.

Reading that I'd want McCollum or Wolters with Olynyk. I'd be happy adding Roberson late. Get the best post scorer, the best ball handler/scorer, and the best rebounder and you won't go wrong.

Olynyk, McCollum/Wolters, Roberson

Those guys were already my favorites, even Roberson. He's from an athletic family and is most likely to develop skills to become a Leonard/Faried player.

(Porter, Zeller, Len, Dieng , Adams, Crabbe, Franklin, Muscala, Canaan, P. Jackson,Siva, Marshall, Carmichael, Stephens, Hagins--I like all these guys,too).

[hands11]

@Hands drafting Jan seem worst than MJ drafting KB at this point.

That was a crap year to have the #1 but Kwame was pretty much the consciousness #1 that year.

Tyson was taken 2nd, but traded along with Brian Skinner to Chicago for Elton Brand.

Pau at 3, traded along with Lorenzen Wright and Brevin Knight to Atlanta for Shareef Abdur-Rahim and the rights to Jamal Tinsley (#27).

Sounds similar to this years draft only actually I think way worse.

But that draft did have Parker #28th and Gil at 30th

Kwame's biggest problem was his mind and heart and that he was drafted to high. That could be similar to Ves, we will see after this year. Ves just need to decide what he really wants. After that, I think he can get there.

Ves problem he has no nba skills.

Sorry but that isn't true. He does have skills. He just has a messed up mind, had his position moved, had his team changed, a new head coach and his shoot changed as well.

Its easy to just throw out the Ves sucks line, but it isn't near the entire story. Ves could have done better with a stronger mind and putting in more work, but don't ignore all the challenges he was presented with including some injuries. He is still young. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

The story is not finished with Ves. We are missing a big chunk of data that we need in order to really project his future and we get to start seeing that in summer ball.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Here Randy is talking like he will play in the Vegas games. Mentions Ves and Singleton being there plus the pick. If Ves has agreed to show up for Summer league, that's a good sign of him getting it.

As for their pick, sounds like defense is key and instant contribution year one like a Beal. Mentions work ethic and stamina. Quick learner. Speed of the game. Thinking. Don't over rely on workouts. Add a piece through the draft. Add depth. Mentions Wall, Nene and Beal positions that need protection.

I think if they go with VO, that would be a good option for them.

[hands11]

So you wouldn't take Tyson Chandler or Mutombo top 3 in this draft?

Chandler 7-1 235 2nd pick in a crap draft where Kwame when #1. P Gasol was clearly the pick in that draft.

For this team...Chandler ? no.

Not with the other options that are there, his health issues, and how long it took for him to get it going. By the time you really wanted him, he cost a ton of money. So no to Chandler for the Wizards this year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-chandler

Are you arguing this is the guy you want at #3. Look at his first 5 years with Chicago. Can't hit a FT. Doesn't score that well. Solid rebounding but not eye popping.

No, I would not take Chandler.

Mutombo was 7-2 245 that ended up 260. Picked 4th in another crappy draft and a long long time ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikembe_Mutombo

Mutombo's impact was immediate. As a rookie, he was selected for the All-Star team and averaged 16.6 points, 12.3 rebounds, and nearly three blocks per game. His original intention was to become a doctor.

His combination of height, power and long arms have led to a record tying four NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards, a feat equaled only by Ben Wallace. He was also an eight-time All-Star and was elected into three All-NBA and six All-Defensive Teams.[10] Along with his defensive prowess Mutombo also could contribute offensively, averaging at least 10 points per game until he reached age 35

Would I take Mutombo. Does a Bear **** in the woods ?

But I don't think Noel will be Mutombo. He is shorter and lighter.

If anything Noel is more likely to be the injury ridden Marcus Camby who started zero games in his 3rd year and 11 in his 4th year. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... rcus-camby

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-h ... syear=1996

Chalk me up as rather having Ray Allen or Kobe out of that draft.

So you would take a "one-way player" in the top three. That's all I wanted to clarify.

PS: Chandler's first 5 years: 10.4 PP36, 11.3 RP36, 2.1 BP36, and he averaged 28.5 MPG and only miseed serious time (more than half a season) during one of those five years. His FT% was .615, definitely not good, but far from unheard of for a young big (see Dwight, Shaq, Duncan, Chamberlain, etc.) His PER was only 14.4, but his WS/48 was .123, and generally trending upward. The Bulls traded him after an off year, getting not much in return. Bad move.

No, I would not take a one way player there. I said that already. Your per/36 is a cover up for the real facts.

Chandler averaged

His first 5 years 24.4 min 7.1 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1.4 blk in with .615 FT%. I said I wouldn't take him.

Mutombo

First five years was 36.9 mins 12.9 pts, 3.8 blocks, 12.3 rebounds.

I would not consider Mutombo a one way player with those stats. He was a full blow work horse that played both sides of the game. And he was a legit true center at 7-2 and strong.

You can take his number out 10 years and he averaged 36.5 minutes, 12.4 pts, 12.4 rbs, 3.5 blocks and posted 82 games a season 5 times.

[jivelikenice]

Unless the Hornets are willing to move Ryan Anderson, the only deal that make any semblence of sense is the Derrick Williams swap. Then, take Zeller, Mccollum (in that order) at 9.

I'd consider Olynyk as a tremendous fit at #9, also.

If you trade for Williams then you would draft another stretch 4 in Olynk? I'd think you either take a guard or pure center at that point.

[gambitx777]

Olynyk is a post player, he is not a true stretch 4, He can shoot but he has an excellent post game. But i would also consider, CJM or KCP at 9 as well. Especially if we get the 26 the pick in the deal. Because, we can add nice senior depth at the back of the draft. I would love getting CCJ at 9. there are some good centers and stretch 4's in the back of the draft, also if we really want Olynyk we can try to by a late loto mid range pick to get Olynyk.

[Knighthonor]

I have a question. What made lot of Wiz community overlook and miss Drummonds last season?

[Rafael122]

I have a question. What made lot of Wiz community overlook and miss Drummonds last season?

Horrid free throw shooter, lack of offensive game, scared off after failing to develop McGee, Vesely, Booker, Blatche, etc.

[gambitx777]

I have a question. What made lot of Wiz community overlook and miss Drummonds last season?

We did not over look him, Beal was the better all around player, and beal proved that he was the best option at that place in the draft for our team.

Drummand had a lot of red flag, and if he pans out fine, but he was taken probably where he should have been take.

[willbcocks]

I have a question. What made lot of Wiz community overlook and miss Drummonds last season?

We did not over look him, Beal was the better all around player, and beal proved that he was the best option at that place in the draft for our team.

Drummand had a lot of red flag, and if he pans out fine, but he was taken probably where he should have been take.

Drummond was 4th on my board last year (after Davis, Beal, MKG). In hindsight, he might have been the highest value pick at our position, but I still would probably take Beal.

[BruceO]

There was a time Bennett offense was being compared to car melody which may be unfair cause he's pretty good offensively

Another possible unfair comparison perhaps but guys who have watched Bennett offensively how far behind LeBron is he? I understand LeBron is ahead by far in assists but how about other facets? assuming LeBron is less of a scorer than melo

[Floater]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 1m
Hearing same RT @KyleTucker_CJ: Noel was in Cleveland last week and said the Cavs' team doc told him "everything was perfect" with his knee.

[Rafael122]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 1m
Hearing same RT @KyleTucker_CJ: Noel was in Cleveland last week and said the Cavs' team doc told him "everything was perfect" with his knee.

At this point Noel's gotta be the pick. Seems like the kid has done everything to prove he should be the overall pick.

[popper]

Is Noel the next Thabeet? I don't know but he looks like a reed to me. He is skinny, injured, and has no offensive talent. I do love his defensive game though. I wouldn't take a chance on him. If I could get an Illyasova in his prime on a long term, reasonable contract, and then add Dieng or Adams I would do so without hesitation.

[TGW]

Is Noel the next Thabeet?

I don't know but he looks like a reed to me. He is skinny, injured, and has no offensive talent. I do love his defensive game though. I wouldn't take a chance on him. If I could get an Illyasova in his prime on a long term, reasonable contract, and then add Dieng or Adams I would do so without hesitation.

No, and that's a horrible comparison. Noel is 19, not 23, which Thabeet was when he came out. Noel is much more athletic and a much better athlete with much better basketball instincts than Thabeet. Thabeet was just tall.

[sfam]

Is Noel the next Thabeet? I don't know but he looks like a reed to me. He is skinny, injured, and has no offensive talent. I do love his defensive game though. I wouldn't take a chance on him. If I could get an Illyasova in his prime on a long term, reasonable contract, and then add Dieng or Adams I would do so without hesitation.

Noel seems lots more skilled and a better athlete besides than Thabeet. If the knee is fine, I don't see bust with Noel.