Otto Porter

JWallConnect · Post #1061 » by **JWallConnect** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:52 pm

Can we send this guy to the D-League already? That has to be better than him just sitting on the bench all season

Mizerooskie · Post #1062 » by **Mizerooskie** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:54 am

JWallConnect · Post #1063 » by **JWallConnect** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:05 am

Mizerooskie wrote:

hands11 · Post #1064 » by **hands11** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:08 am

JWallConnect wrote:Can we send this guy to the D-League already? That has to be better than him just sitting on the bench all season

Heck, Even Kobe played in the DL.

Free Otto. Let he play some basketball.

mohammed10 · Post #1065 » by **mohammed10** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:47 am

JWallConnect wrote:Can we send this guy to the D-League already? That has to be better than him just sitting on the bench all season

Agreed. No shame in D-league at this point. At least get the kid some burn to boost his confidence heading into the offseason.

jangles86 · Post #1066 » by **jangles86** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:36 am

If Porter is insurance for when Ariza walks, why are we giving him zero playing time? Are we expecting him to walk straight into starters role next season off a nothing year?

80sballboy · Post #1067 » by **80sballboy** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:21 am

jangles86 wrote:If Porter is insurance for when Ariza walks, why are we giving him zero playing time? Are we expecting him to walk straight into starters role next season off a nothing year?

Why would he walk into a starter's role if Webster is under contract? Porter has to give us at least 15 mpg next season, he better bulk up at least 10 pounds and needs to play in SL. Not giving up on him yet and I don't really care if he doesn't play because we're trying to make the playoffs. If we were tanking, I'd play him 15mpg.

dlts20 · Post #1068 » by **dlts20** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:44 am

Porter missed way too much time. All of camp, all of the Preseason, alot of the start of the regular season. When youre a rookie and that happens then you are basically playing catchup all year. Not to mention it was a hip injury which means he couldnt do any running hardly so was probably really out of shape and he's coming back while everyone is full go. Add to that you have 2 perfect vetran role players in front of you in Ariza & Webster.

I would be worried if we were still starting guys like Cartier Martin and Porter was healthy but since he wasnt healthy and have good guys in front of him, Ill just call it a red shirt season and look forward to watching him next year. He's getting enough experince in practice. I really dont want him to play right now anyways because you can tell that even when he does play, he feels like he's the young rook so he has to pass everything or just be the 5th wheel instead of playing like he did at G'Town. Its just best if he comes back from day 1 next year and then we can see what we have. All of this is not saying it was a great pick, just saying he cant be judged at all right now IMO

dlts20 · Post #1069 » by **dlts20** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:52 pm

I just thought of something and no I am not giving Ernie a pass but I was reading the Craptors board again and they think that because they are like the only team in that 2nd group after the big 2 who has a 1st round pick next year that they are in way better position then us. I disagree because Im not excited about this draft like others are especially where they will be picking at but even moreso, next year it will almost be like we are adding a top pick when Porter starts to play.

Again, Im not hard on Otto as others are. I think he started off way too far behind the 8 ball and have quality guys in front of him but if healthy next year from the jump, I think he could be a nice player so that will be a huge addition to our playoff team. It sucks that we are loaded at the spot but Web could play more at the backup 2 spot and we might also have Al or another stretch 4 on the court with Porter so he can be a 2 & D guy instead of 3 & D..........lol

Dark Faze · Post #1070 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:58 pm

lol

the two rookie of the year leaders in burke and mcw have sub .50 TS%

I don't think we can judge this class until next season at the earliest

queridiculo · Post #1071 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:58 pm

Porter isn't even a quarter of the player that Ariza is. Maybe in time, but right now Ariza might well be our third most valuable player.

Losing Ariza is going to be a huge blow and neither Webster or Porter are going to fill the hole he would leave behind.

Dark Faze · Post #1072 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:05 pm

I still think Porter and Ariza can and should play together.

It's a real shame that we haven't gotten a chance to see what Ariza can do at the 4 this year.

Wall
Beal
Porter
Ariza
Gortat

Porters shown himself to be a disruptive defender who's got talent at playing the passing lanes just like Ariza. I've no doubt in my mind that a quality coach could turn that lineup into one of the best perimeter defenses in the league. If we had a great defensive system in place like Miami and Chicago we'd be very good.

It all comes back to coaching. I think we have the tools on the roster to compete already but Witt mismanaged the club.

GhostsOfGil · Post #1073 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:09 pm

Porter has played like utter crap. Hard to give the guy playing time when he under preforms at every opportunity he gets, especially since the playoff race is so tight. The real problem was the pick to begin with.

Dark Faze · Post #1074 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:18 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Porter has played like utter crap. Hard to give the guy playing time when he under preforms at every opportunity he gets, especially since the playoff race is so tight. The real problem was the pick to begin with.

There are two sides of the court and defensively Otto has been fine.

Offensively he takes two shots a game in only 8 minutes per with the bulk of those minutes being with Maynor and Temple as his point guards.

like, seriously, he might as well have not played at all this season with that sort of sample size

I wanted Noel but I thought he was the second best prospect in the draft behind him and I still stand by that. He hasn't gotten a real opportunity yet. It's hard to find your jumpshot in such a limited time.

Webster looks like he's a few games away from completely breaking down. Not moving remotely the same way as he did early in the year. I'd love to move him in the off-season so Porter can get 20 minutes a night next season.

Post #1075 » by **nate33** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:27 pm

It would be nice to give Webster a couple of games off to get healthy.

GhostsOfGil · Post #1076 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:30 pm

Defensively, this team is still in the top 10. Port's value has to be felt in other areas otherwise he's basically Jan Vesely (with surprisingly worse efficiency). And while his sample size is indeed small, he's still logged over 200 minutes with absolutely atrocious per minute production. I think you make a good point about who he shares the court with but im not sure I'm ready to put faith into a line up of Wall Beal Porter Ariza Gortat when Webster has proven his value.

Which brings me to Webster. I think we are seeing a case of "what have you done for me lately"
I agree, he hasn't looked great, but his season production is actually nearly identical to last years with better efficiency. Hopefully, he's just slumping and will pick it up come playoffs.

mhd · Post #1077 » by **mhd** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:33 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Defensively, this team is still in the top 10. Port's value has to be felt in other areas otherwise he's basically Jan Vesely (with surprisingly worse efficiency). And while his sample size is indeed small, he's still logged over 200 minutes with absolutely atrocious per minute production. I think you make a good point about who he shares the court with but im not sure I'm ready to put faith into a line up of Wall Beal Porter Ariza Gortat when Webster has proven his value.

Which brings me to Webster. I think we are seeing a case of "what have you done for me lately"
I agree, he hasn't looked great, but his season production is actually nearly identical to last years with better efficiency. Hopefully, he's just slumping and will pick it up come playoffs.

Who do you think would give better minutes between Rice & Porter? Rice has shown this year that he can defend, and he won't be bullied b/c he's got an NBA body. If we need to give Webster a break, then Rice needs to get his PT. Problem is that EG doesn't want to destroy Porter's fragile confidence anymore b/c he won't be sent to the d-league and is ahead of (IMO), a much better player in Rice.

GhostsOfGil · Post #1078 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:34 pm

mhd wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Defensively, this team is still in the top 10. Port's value has to be felt in other areas otherwise he's basically Jan Vesely (with surprisingly worse efficiency). And while his sample size is indeed small, he's still logged over 200 minutes with absolutely atrocious per minute production. I think you make a good point about who he shares the court with but im not sure I'm ready to put faith into a line up of Wall Beal Porter Ariza Gortat when Webster has proven his value.

Which brings me to Webster. I think we are seeing a case of "what have you done for me lately"
I agree, he hasn't looked great, but his season production is actually nearly identical to last years with better efficiency. Hopefully, he's just slumping and will pick it up come playoffs.

Who do you think would give better minutes between Rice & Porter? Rice has shown this year that he can defend, and he won't be bullied b/c he's got an NBA body. If we need to give Webster a break, then Rice needs to get his PT. Problem is that EG doesn't want to destroy Porter's fragile confidence anymore b/c he won't be sent to the d-league and is ahead of (IMO), a much better player in Rice.

Once again, mhd, I think we see eye to eye when it comes to the draft and our rookies.

mhd · Post #1079 » by **mhd** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:36 pm

BTW, OUTSTANDING article on Porter and his future in DC:

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... ay-wizards

queridiculo · Post #1080 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:39 pm

The hate on Porter is so ridiculous. Way too much conjecture about Porters ability to play simply based on PT.

It was clear as day when the Washington drafted Porter and then chose to extend Webster that Porters opportunity to play would be minimal.

Add to that the time he missed in preseason to gain the coaches trust and you get the situation Porter currently finds himself in.

I've hated the pick from day one because I felt Noel presented a better opportunity to help this team long term, but it's far too early to get down on Porter simply because of your typical Wizards angst.

That said, it would do the Wizards some good to give Webster some rest and to let Porter get some burn against the softer part of our schedule.

No reason to burn Webster to the ground when he can be an important contributor in the playoffs.