Bradley Beal - Part II

[Illmatic12]

I think the road trip will wake him up.

I was thinking/hoping the same thing.

He did well in the playoffs last year.

He also generally did much better on the road than at home, throughout the whole season.

Also Beal for some reason struggles to produce against East teams, he always goes off on the Thunder, Clippers, Rockets, etc.. I too think he could have a big road trip for us.

[AFM]

Maybe his girlfriend comes to the home games and he gets nervous. I know if my girl was watching me at the office I'd be spilling my coffee everywhere.

[J-Ves]

Beal isn't a franchise player, he isn't an allstar. He's an undersized 3 and D 2 guard who can't create for himself or others. His ball handling, passing, first step speed are all, at best, average for a SG. As such he very rarely gets to the line. His mid-range shooting off the dribble is HORRIBLE, and yet he continues to take those shots at a high rate. He isn't a ball hawk or a good rebounder for his position. He has exactly one elite ability, which is 3pt shooting on set shots. The sooner the fan base and franchise gets this through their head, the sooner Beal can start being used in a way that can actually help this team, i.e. high efficiency lowish usage.

[deneem4]

beal will come around....his play depends on wall...wall play depends on the front court...beal will average 20 this yr...on good efficiency....km not worried about beal as much as im worried about wall mentality thru out a whole game

[nate33]

Beal isn't a franchise player, he isn't an allstar. He's an undersized 3 and D 2 guard who can't create for himself or others. His ball handling, passing, first step speed are all, at best, average for a SG. As such he very rarely gets to the line. His mid-range shooting off the dribble is HORRIBLE, and yet he continues to take those shots at a high rate. He isn't a ball hawk or a good rebounder for his position. He has exactly one elite ability, which is 3pt shooting on set shots. The sooner the fan base and franchise gets this through their head, the sooner Beal can start being used in a way that can actually help this team, i.e. high efficiency lowish usage.

Beal is 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan. He is not undersized.

[payitforward]

Beal isn't a franchise player, he isn't an allstar. He's an undersized 3 and D 2 guard who can't create for himself or others. His ball handling, passing, first step speed are all, at best, average for a SG. As such he very rarely gets to the line. His mid-range shooting off the dribble is HORRIBLE, and yet he continues to take those shots at a high rate. He isn't a ball hawk or a good rebounder for his position. He has exactly one elite ability, which is 3pt shooting on set shots. The sooner the fan base and franchise gets this through their head, the sooner Beal can start being used in a way that can actually help this team, i.e. high efficiency lowish usage.

Beal is 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan. He is not undersized.

And he's an above average *offensive* rebounder (among SGs who play as much as he does).

Without a doubt, Bradley Beal has a long way to go to prove himself a star of any kind -- he's not even good overall, let alone that. He is, however, only 21 years old. Might be a little early to close the book on him, don't you think?

[dckingsfan]

Beal isn't a franchise player, he isn't an allstar. He's an undersized 3 and D 2 guard who can't create for himself or others. His ball handling, passing, first step speed are all, at best, average for a SG. As such he very rarely gets to the line. His mid-range shooting off the dribble is HORRIBLE, and yet he continues to take those shots at a high rate. He isn't a ball hawk or a good rebounder for his position. He has exactly one elite ability, which is 3pt shooting on set shots. The sooner the fan base and franchise gets this through their head, the sooner Beal can start being used in a way that can actually help this team, i.e. high efficiency lowish usage.

Beal is 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan. He is not undersized.

And he's an above average *offensive* rebounder (among SGs who play as much as he does).

Without a doubt, Bradley Beal has a long way to go to prove himself a star of any kind -- he's not even good overall, let alone that. He is, however, only 21 years old. Might be a little early to close the book on him, don't you think?

True, and Harden didn't become a good defender until this year. I think the handles (or lack thereof) is the most concerning part of his game. But that can be hidden in the right scheme.

[Dat2U]

Two great examples for us to be patient with Beal: Klay Thompson & Jimmy Butler. Bradley is a far better prospect than both were at the same age. Give him time. Once he puts in the work that Klay & Jimmy have, watch out!

[dckingsfan]

Hey Dat, why is Beal a "far" better prospect than Thompson and Butler? Hopefully this questions comes across asking for info vs. being belligerent...

[Ruzious]

Hey Dat, why is Beal a "far" better prospect than Thompson and Butler? Hopefully this questions comes across asking for info vs. being belligerent...

I concur with Dat. Butler's development has been very surprising - considering what he was when he entered the NBA. He was basically a defensive specialist. Every season, it seems he's gotten significantly better on the offensive side. Even last season, I hoped he would get the ball in key situations in Bulls/Wiz games, because he almost without fail - failed. Re Thompson, I recall looking at the GS board - there was a thread on him and early season last year, GS fans almost unanimously complained about him saying he's 1 dimensional, and when his shot isn't on - he hurts the team.

[dckingsfan]

Thanks Ruz... so the knock on Butler was that he couldn't shoot or handle the ball but that he could play D? And Thompson was a one dimensional player (shooter only)?

But then why would Beal be the better prospect - he was labeled a shooter only right? Just a better shooter?

[Ruzious]

Thanks Ruz... so the knock on Butler was that he couldn't shoot or handle the ball but that he could play D? And Thompson was a one dimensional player (shooter only)?

But then why would Beal be the better prospect - he was labeled a shooter only right? Just a better shooter?

He's better at his age than they were at his age.

[Nivek]

Butler was 22 in his first NBA season. Thompson was 21 as a rookie. Beal is 21 in his 3rd NBA season.

[Kanyewest]

I wonder if Beal can develop a post game similar to Butler or Klay Thompson since both are slightly bigger. Beal has other things going for him like that he's quicker and a better shooter at his age but Dat is right, he still needs to put in the work.

[Dat2U]

Hey Dat, why is Beal a "far" better prospect than Thompson and Butler? Hopefully this questions comes across asking for info vs. being belligerent...

It's already been said, but Klay was a rookie with GS at the same age putting up inferior numbers at 21 to what Beal put up at 18. At 21, Jimmy Butler was a senior at Marquette and up until this season... more known as a defensive specialist.

IMO much like Wall (who's still improving BTW at 24), Beal's growth is going to be a slow build into something special. Imagine Beal at 23 or 24. He's going to something to deal with.

[dckingsfan]

Bradley Beal

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Season    Age  MP     PER    TS%     TRB%  AST%   TOV%   USG%   WS/48   VORP
2012-13   19   1745   13.6   0.515   6.7   13.7   10.6   22.2   0.082   0.8
2013-14   20   2530   14.3   0.507   6.3   16.0    9.4   24.3   0.076   0.6
2014-15   21   660    13.8   0.527   6.0   14.2   13.2   22.3   0.088   1.4


Klay Thompson

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Season    Age  MP     PER    TS%     TRB%  AST%   TOV%   USG%   WS/48   VORP
2011-12   21   1608   14.9   0.545   5.7   14.2   12.0   24.7   0.050   0.1
2012-13   22   2936   12.7   0.533   5.7   10.1   11.0   21.8   0.070   1.5
2013-14   23   2868   14.3   0.555   4.7   10.2    9.2   22.6   0.112   2.0
2014-15   24   941    19.8   0.58    5.7   15.8   10.1   26.6   0.171   2.9


Jimmy Butler

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Season    Age  MP     PER    TS%    TRB%   AST%   TOV%   USG%   WS/48   VORP
2011-12   22    359   12.5   0.526   8.7    5.7   11.9   14.9   0.144   0.1
2012-13   23   2134   15.2   0.574   8.8    8.6    9.2   14.6   0.158   2.0
2013-14   24   2591   13.5   0.522   7.2   11.1   10.8   16.8   0.131   2.8
2014-15   25   1119   22.7   0.608   8.5   14.1    7.3   22.0   0.242   5.5


James Harden

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Season    Age  MP     PER    TS%     TRB%  AST%   TOV%   USG%   WS/48   VORP
2009-10   20   1738   14.0   0.551   8.1   12.3   13.4   20.4   0.124   1.4
2010-11   21   2189   16.4   0.598   6.8   12.8   11.3   19.5   0.156   2.3
2011-12   22   1946   21.1   0.660   7.4   19.3   14.8   21.6   0.230   3.8
2012-13   23   2985   23.0   0.600   7.2   25.7   14.9   29.0   0.206   5.5
2013-14   24   2777   23.5   0.618   6.9   27.3   15.0   27.8   0.221   5.3
2014-15   25   1091   26.2   0.587   9.1   36.9   15.1   31.8   0.267   8.0


[dckingsfan]

I think that would argue that Harden was better than all of them at 21?

[Dat2U]

I think that would argue that Harden was better than all of them at 21?

Agreed. Beal is 2nd. We should have traded for Harden, but oh well....

[dckingsfan]

Agreed Dat - still, Beal could still develop into something special.

[Kanyewest]

Weird thing was that Beal was better than Harden in last year's postseason but it had more to do with that Harden's play fell off a cliff. I'm not sure if the Wizards make it out of the playoff if they had Harden instead of Beal last postseason. But so far, in the majority of the other data, Harden has been the superior player to Beal. It is Beal reputation to step his play in the postseason- he did the same thing in college where he struggled for most of the season and finally put it together in the NCAA tournament. I would still like to see more from Beal in the regular season, maybe he puts it together in the 2nd half of the season kind of like 2013 John Wall.