Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[Ruzious]

What is the background on this kid? I see the peanut gallery’s are already calling him a deplorable. But he is only 19 with the last name Cruz sounds like the handiwork of some liberal parents to me. Speaking of I understand he lost his mom not sure where dad is that as I’m at work today I am unable to follow. So any help on the background would be appreciated

Yeah, they said on Fox that he's the son of a psychopath dentist/real estate mogul from Chicago.

[closg00]

What is the background on this kid? I see the peanut gallery’s are already calling him a deplorable. But he is only 19 with the last name Cruz sounds like the handiwork of some liberal parents to me. Speaking of I understand he lost his mom not sure where dad is that as I’m at work today I am unable to follow. So any help on the background would be appreciated
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His background is irrelevant, it's what he actually did. He trained with deplorables.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/parkland-shooting-white-supremacist_us_5a85ca6ae4b0774f31d34100

[stilldropin20]

What is the background on this kid? I see the peanut gallery’s are already calling him a deplorable. But he is only 19 with the last name Cruz sounds like the handiwork of some liberal parents to me. Speaking of I understand he lost his mom not sure where dad is that as I’m at work today I am unable to follow. So any help on the background would be appreciated
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His background is irrelevant, it's what he actually did. He trained with deplorables.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/parkland-shooting-white-supremacist_us_5a85ca6ae4b0774f31d34100

Obviously I am not making any kind of apologies forthis kid at all. I believe in law and order and my history will support that but at the same time he was only 19.

At some point we must hold parents more responsible. I’m wondering if we passed legislation that makes parents of these murders young adults more responsible like allowing the families of the victims to go after the parents personally for wrongful death. I’m wondering if that will make parents shine the light brighter on their own bad apples. Every family has a bad apple of sorts. Parents protect these bad apples too much too often and for too long and then stuff like this happens.

It’s not the pen it’s the policy.
It’s not the car, it’s the driver.
It’s not the gun, it’s the person.



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[nuposse04]

Obviously I am not making any kind of apologies forthis kid at all. I believe in law and order and my history will support that but at the same time he was only 19.

At some point we must hold parents more responsible. I’m wondering if we passed legislation that makes parents of these murders young adults more responsible like allowing the families of the victims to go after the parents personally for wrongful death. I’m wondering if that will make parents shine the light brighter on their own bad apples. Every family has a bad apple of sorts. Parents protect these bad apples too much too often and for too long and then stuff like this happens.

It’s not the pen it’s the policy.
It’s not the car, it’s the driver.
It’s not the gun, it’s the person.



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So you blame all islamic terrorist acts on said parents?
All gang violence on lack of proper parenting?

American's seem to gravitate towards mass acts of violence then other industrialized nations. W/e your stance on how guns should be regulated... the fact people actually enjoy hunting, or shooting objects is kind of odd to me. What is the pleasure one gets out of destroying inanimate objects or animals (yes I know some people get to hide under the guise that they get to do it for food)...? Just the idea of LIKING weapons as much a certain sect of America does seems like a cult like attitude. And the fear that said cult has at the thought of their access to weapons being restricted is equally worrisome, as if they are losing a critical part of their life that gives them purpose... that or helps them compensate for some other psychological shortcomings.

At almost every turn it seems like American's don't know how to process and deal with the amount of violence we promote in day-to-day life. From the asinine military propaganda that gets shoved down our throats, media, and how we are taught to interact with on another. It isn't like other countries are devoid of the same kind of media intake we have either, Japanese people have the same videogames and prolly even more **** up tv content yet they don't go around offing little kids in such a manner.

I don't think we are educated enough as a country to be given the right to bear arms to be frank. There are too many asinine people in our midst or devoid of logic, and decency. If we actually invest in becoming a more competent nation, AND one that has a decent sense of ethics maybe restriction wouldn't be so direly needed on weapons.

[gtn130]

SD20, pls stfu

[stilldropin20]

Obviously I am not making any kind of apologies forthis kid at all. I believe in law and order and my history will support that but at the same time he was only 19.

At some point we must hold parents more responsible. I’m wondering if we passed legislation that makes parents of these murders young adults more responsible like allowing the families of the victims to go after the parents personally for wrongful death. I’m wondering if that will make parents shine the light brighter on their own bad apples. Every family has a bad apple of sorts. Parents protect these bad apples too much too often and for too long and then stuff like this happens.

It’s not the pen it’s the policy.
It’s not the car, it’s the driver.
It’s not the gun, it’s the person.



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So you blame all islamic terrorist acts on said parents?
All gang violence on lack of proper parenting?

American's seem to gravitate towards mass acts of violence then other industrialized nations. W/e your stance on how guns should be regulated... the fact people actually enjoy hunting, or shooting objects is kind of odd to me. What is the pleasure one gets out of destroying inanimate objects or animals (yes I know some people get to hide under the guise that they get to do it for food)...? Just the idea of LIKING weapons as much a certain sect of America does seems like a cult like attitude. And the fear that said cult has at the thought of their access to weapons being restricted is equally worrisome, as if they are losing a critical part of their life that gives them purpose... that or helps them compensate for some other psychological shortcomings.

At almost every turn it seems like American's don't know how to process and deal with the amount of violence we promote in day-to-day life. From the asinine military propaganda that gets shoved down our throats, media, and how we are taught to interact with on another. It isn't like other countries are devoid of the same kind of media intake we have either, Japanese people have the same videogames and prolly even more **** up tv content yet they don't go around offing little kids in such a manner.

I don't think we are educated enough as a country to be given the right to bear arms to be frank. There are too many asinine people in our midst or devoid of logic, and decency. If we actually invest in becoming a more competent nation, AND one that has a decent sense of ethics maybe restriction wouldn't be so direly needed on weapons.

I blame both the parents and individual. We need more parents like the Middle Eastern father who told the FBI about his son years ago. the one who ignited a bomb in New York a couple years ago. More parents need to make those difficult calls when their children are troubled. And we need to motivate those parents to do so with legislation that holds them also accountable. As well as remove the stigma of mental health and other types of disorders. If you look at the entire animal kingdom few species eat their own. It’s just not natural. In fact nearly all species or together for the good of the species. Although natural selection play some kind a role in the cream rising to the top so that the genetically superior species will survive. And killing your own species in this kind of fashion is similarly unnatural. It’s there for unacceptable. So it’s definitely a disorder.

I think this is the only way to stop this because if someone is determined and willing to be patient and plan it out there is nothing you can do. Whether they drive the truck unto the kids leaving school , shoot them up, or poison the punch bowl. You will not be able to stop it.

But everyone knows who the psycho is at work and the disturbed kid they grew up with and the psycho in their family. You know.




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[stilldropin20]

SD20, pls stfu

Industrialized country being key in your statistics. Africa and the Middle East have way more violence and murder.

But that’s not to say that the United States does not have a problem. Clearly it does.

But nearly all gun violence in The United States is either spousal/familial or gang violence. That’s over 90% of your gun murder right there. Less than 2% of total gun murders are these mass shootings. Often less than 1% depending on the year.

There was over 4500 shootings in Chicago last year and about 1000 people killed and nearly all of it was gang violence. Many of the victims are between 14 and 23 years old as well as the perpetrators. Over 80% of them have illegal firearms and and handguns. Riddle me that.




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[TGW]

Another trump supporter shooting up a public venue.

[cammac]

The NRA is basically a terrorist organization trying get the Republican lap dogs chip away at every reasonable law and the Republicans on the Supreme Court are just as complicit.

They’ve poll tested that: ‘Now is not the time’,” he explained. “There’s never a time. But we should just be honest. Let’s just look the American people in the face, let’s go look the families in the face that I sat there for six hours until they found out their kid wasn’t missing, their kid lying dead in the school — let’s just look them in the face and let’s be honest and let’s tell them, we’re going to do nothing.”

“We’re going to talk, we’re going to spout off all sorts of different talking points from both sides of the aisle, but we’re going to do nothing,” Moskowitz continued. “Because we can’t look at this just as parents, we have to look at this through a political lens for some reason, Democrats or Republicans.”

The lawmaker observed that “we’ve created this.”

“We can pray to God [but] God didn’t do this,” he remarked. “This is a manmade issue. It’s only going to be solved by man. And we’re not going to solve it because the system is rigged. Nowadays there’s no real general elections anymore. It’s primaries.”

Moskowitz lamented that Florida Republicans would block any legislation he put forward to address the problem.

“They won’t agree to anything,” he said. “How about just background checks? How about the fact if on your Facebook you’re telling everybody you’re a Nazi and you’re going to kill a thousand people, how about we take that into account when you want to go buy an AR-15? But we don’t.”

“We’ve seen this show before, we know how this movie is going to end,” Moskowitz said. “They want to decrease the background checks. I will fight against that. I will file 100 amendments and I will hold the floor hostage for 15 hours.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/15/1741735/-FL-rep-opens-can-of-whoop-ass-on-GOP-Let-s-Look-Families-in-the-Face-and-Tell-Them-We-ll-Do-Nothing

[cammac]

Has another one bit the dust?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/15/1741784/-TrumpRussia-News-Rick-Gates-might-be-getting-a-plea-deal

[stilldropin20]

Look Folks, the ACLU fought against random search on the street in the name of civil liberties.

Cops used to have more power on the street and the streets used to be safer.


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[cammac]

Look Folks, the ACLU fought against random search on the street in the name of civil liberties.

Cops used to have more power on the street and the streets used to be safer.


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WTF has that to do with gun violence? It is illegal searches against minorities!
If Canada didn't live next to the USA our gun violence would be lower.
The USA is complicit in the gun violence in Mexico by USA companies knowingly selling arms and ammunition that is smuggled across the border!
Illinois has tough gun laws not that it matters Indiana doesn't good old Mike Pence!

[stilldropin20]

Look Folks, the ACLU fought against random search on the street in the name of civil liberties.

Cops used to have more power on the street and the streets used to be safer.


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WTF has that to do with gun violence? It is illegal searches against minorities!
If Canada didn't live next to the USA our gun violence would be lower.
The USA is complicit in the gun violence in Mexico by USA companies knowingly selling arms and ammunition that is smuggled across the border!
Illinois has tough gun laws not that it matters Indiana doesn't good old Mike Pence!

I don’t want to give up my civil liberties either. But when cops are allowed to do random stops in searches the streets of safer. It’s a fact.

Imagine if a cop stop that Uber driver on the way to that high school yesterday.

Imagine if a Las Vegas cop at the hotel stop this guy from caring massive amounts of heavy bags up to his room.


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[cammac]

Look Folks, the ACLU fought against random search on the street in the name of civil liberties.

Cops used to have more power on the street and the streets used to be safer.


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WTF has that to do with gun violence? It is illegal searches against minorities!
If Canada didn't live next to the USA our gun violence would be lower.
The USA is complicit in the gun violence in Mexico by USA companies knowingly selling arms and ammunition that is smuggled across the border!
Illinois has tough gun laws not that it matters Indiana doesn't good old Mike Pence!

I don’t want to give up my civil liberties either. But when cops are allowed to do random stops in searches the streets of safer. It’s a fact.

Imagine if a cop stop that Uber driver on the way to that high school yesterday.

Imagine if a Las Vegas cop at the hotel stop this guy from caring massive amounts of heavy bags up to his room.


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Personally I have nothing against guns and I grew up carrying a gun hunting when I was 12.
Stopped having a gun at 20 never owned or wanted one since. Again guns for hunters which are locked up are just fine. The ACLU was again about race not guns which I agree too many minorities are searched without cause.

Please don't give me its people not guns that kill!
The reality my friend more people are killed in Chicago 2.7 million people than all of Canada.
Actually your BS is great it empowers people to get Republicans and trump out of office ASAP.

[DCZards]

Imagine if a cop stop that Uber driver on the way to that high school yesterday.

Imagine if a Las Vegas cop at the hotel stop this guy from caring massive amounts of heavy bags up to his room.


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Imagine if that kid in Florida had not been able to legally purchase an automatic weapon at the age of 19. What does he need that kind of gun for? Hell, why does anybody, except law enforcement and the military, need an AR-15?

Imagine if that shooter in Las Vegas had not been allowed to purchase massive amounts of ammunition. Or have a stockpile of dozens of guns in his home.

[Zonkerbl]

Imagine if we banned the manufacture and import of all guns. Or more feasibly, put a $5000 excise tax on guns and used the proceeds to buy back and melt down old guns.

[closg00]

Has another one bit the dust?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/15/1741784/-TrumpRussia-News-Rick-Gates-might-be-getting-a-plea-deal

The noose is tightening, the walls are closing-in. Trump and his foot soldiers in rings-wing media and the congress will keep fling everything at the wall because their supporters are easily duped.

[TGW]

Did stop and frisk stop murders? Nope. Won't stop stilladumbass from spreading fake news though.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/fact-sheet-stop-and-frisks-effect-crime-new-york-city

Statistically, no relationship between stop-and-frisk and crime seems apparent. New York remains safer than it was 5, 10, or 25 years ago.

[stilldropin20]

here's the thing. The ACLU hawks dont want random stops and searches. And i fully get why.

And law abiding citizens dont want their guns taken away. And i fully get why.

and that your rub folks.

This kid didn't accidentally kill 17 people. He broke over 25 laws from the moment he left his house until the moment he was arrested. The gunman in las vegas, orlando, all of them just the same.

why are law abiding citizens targeted in gun removal? Right?

Same for random stops and search? Law abiding citizens (and especially criminals) dont want to be randomly stopped.

Over 18,000 people were shot in Chicago during the last 6 years of Obama. almost 4000 killed in the entire 8 obama years.

But...Murder rates are in fact significantly dropping across th ecountry since the right to carry law was instituted.

This kid was expelled. he was on psychopathic drugs. He went on youtube and said he wanted to be a professional school shooter. and was reported to the FBI. This was a bad kid. Maybe the FBI was too busy spying on trump campaign instead of school shooters.

[cammac]

Even one of the bastions of Fox News and at times very candid about national issues.

“It’s astounding, isn’t it? ... We have all the resources in the world, and we can’t figure out why this happens in our country and it doesn’t happen everywhere else. Forget your political arguments, why can’t we come together as a society and say, ’We’re going to study this; we’re going to research this; we’re going to put our best and brightest together. Put them all in a room, give them funds and give them whatever they need to figure out why are our children killing each other more in the United States than anywhere else in the world?”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/shepard-smith-florida-school-shooting-fox-news_us_5a861d25e4b05c2bcac93033