Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[DCZards]

I think it's too early to make any meaningful predictions about next year's draft. I certainly wouldn't make permanent roster decisions right now based on projections of a bunch of high school kids. We gotta see these guys against college competition first.

Agreed. I just looked back at one of last year’s early NBA mock drafts (Nov. 24) and Queen was mocked in the second round and Sorber wasn’t even mentioned.

[The Consiglieri]

Queen was the 6th rated high school prospect but I think two separate services, if he was second round in anyone's mock, they were insane.

Last year's mocks nailed 3 of the top 4 picks, not bad at all. Only guy to slip was Bailey, and he slipped just to 5. The mocks are generally pretty good a year out, especially when it's perceived as a good or great draft, admittedly crap ones like '24 are much harder to nail.

[The Consiglieri]

I think it's too early to make any meaningful predictions about next year's draft. I certainly wouldn't make permanent roster decisions right now based on projections of a bunch of high school kids. We gotta see these guys against college competition first.

I wouldn't either, but these guys have been locked in as a top 3 for two years. Ament is the new guy. I will be very surprised if the current top 3 isn't in the top 5 next year. I view Ament and Brown for now as the wild cards.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

LOL !!
Lets come up w/ some other reclamation projects!

Where's James Wiseman these days?

Wiseman? Why's not?

While we're at it, Diamond Stone is just 29-30 years old.

[gambitx777]

LOL !!
Lets come up w/ some other reclamation projects!

Where's James Wiseman these days?

Wiseman? Why's not?

While we're at it, Diamond Stone is just 29-30 years old.

How about we see how dejuan balira knees are doing?

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't know.

His ACLs were both shot when he began his NBA career. At the very least, Blair has arthritis.

It could be so bad that DB has doctors cutting on him to the point he resembles The Black Adder.

[9 and 20]

Any chance we flip any of the current guys for future first rounders? What does a package of Kispert and AJ get back? Expiring contract and a pretty decent future first round pick, maybe more? We got a glut of guys who need playing time.

[spaceman_E]

Any chance we flip any of the current guys for future first rounders? What does a package of Kispert and AJ get back? Expiring contract and a pretty decent future first round pick, maybe more? We got a glut of guys who need playing time.

plus 2 more 1sts next year. Nugs, Suns, C's, Bucks all cured their tax concerns. May I interest you in a Mr. Paul George?

[LyricalRico]

Any chance we flip any of the current guys for future first rounders? What does a package of Kispert and AJ get back? Expiring contract and a pretty decent future first round pick, maybe more? We got a glut of guys who need playing time.

I think Kispert+McCollum could be an interesting package for a team looking for perimeter shooting/scoring. I also think Smart+Olynyk are useful for good teams that need depth. Shoot, add them up and I think it's an interesting start a to a Kuminga conversation that includes a third team who can give value to GSW.

Wizards in - Kuminga+???
Wizards out - Kispert+McCollum+Smart+Olynyk+2nds

Warriors in - Smart+Olynyk+first+???
Warriors out - Kuminga+???

Team C in - Kispert+McCollum+2nds+???
Team C out - first+???

[pcbothwel]

Any chance we flip any of the current guys for future first rounders? What does a package of Kispert and AJ get back? Expiring contract and a pretty decent future first round pick, maybe more? We got a glut of guys who need playing time.

plus 2 more 1sts next year. Nugs, Suns, C's, Bucks all cured their tax concerns. May I interest you in a Mr. Paul George?

It would probably take more than Philly is willing to pay, mostly because of that last year.
I assume Dawkins would be willing to swallow $105M over the next two years for a 35 y/o broken down PG13 for the right price. Despite the $100M+ in cap space, I cant imagine we are really looking to do much with it other than take on bad money for assets.

But that $57M salary in 27/28 for a 37 y/o PG13 is just too much.

[Jay81]

Utah knows the drill. They got rid of Collins, Sexton,Clarkson. They are in full tank mode. We cant go into the season with this much talent. Kiseprt CJM and Middleton Smart have to go. All of them

[payitforward]

i imagine there'll be an attempt to move Kispert this Summer. & I'm sure they'd listen to offers for Olynyk and the other vets.

[penbeast0]

Utah knows the drill. They got rid of Collins, Sexton,Clarkson. They are in full tank mode. We cant go into the season with this much talent. Kiseprt CJM and Middleton Smart have to go. All of them

I don't know. Not sure Smart has that much NBA ability left, he hasn't looked that good when I've watched him the last 2 years. McCollum is the archtype no one wants, undersized pure shooter that doesn't play defense. Kispert probably needs to be moved to see what all the other guys have but his contract is in line with his ability. Middleton is the wild card. He's the only one of the 4 that should be starting for us if healthy; the question is whether he's back to full or close to it.

[AFM]

I'm more worried about Tre dropping 30 a night and Bub dropping 20/15. In retrospect its a good thing we didn't draft Queen because we'd probably finish the second seed.

[gambitx777]

In terms of kumminga. I think he missed his chance by not pressing the issue of getting extended ornwhat ever. He's gonna fall in to this well he would have been over paid but now with the cba no one's gonna give him 25-35 a year that's crazy.
So they have zero leverage. I would hold form and tell them you can take smart and your fake frost back and kumminga can take a kuzma deal starting at 22 and declining or piss off. Or play hard ball and offer just kispert and that first and say take just over mid level.

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[Jay81]

In terms of kumminga. I think he missed his chance by not pressing the issue of getting extended ornwhat ever. He's gonna fall in to this well he would have been over paid but now with the cba no one's gonna give him 25-35 a year that's crazy.
So they have zero leverage. I would hold form and tell them you can take smart and your fake frost back and kumminga can take a kuzma deal starting at 22 and declining or piss off. Or play hard ball and offer just kispert and that first and say take just over mid level.

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Kuminga cam Bilal and George?

[nate33]

I've got it!

Golden State trades: Kuminga (signed to $28M or thereabouts)
Golden State receives: Kispert, their 2030 pick back from WAS

Phoenix trades: Beal, Maluach
Phoenix receives: Kuminga, Middleton

Washington trades: Middleton, Kispert, 2030 GSW pick
Washington receives: Beal (bought out after trade), Maluach

Why for Golden State: It resolves their Kuminga situation satisfactorily. It's not a great return, but it looks like there isn't a great return out there. This is better than Kuminga on a QO. They get Kispert who should be good in their system, and they get full control of their 2030 pick. This return has been grudgingly accepted by some GSW fans in past trade proposals.

Why for Phoenix: They get off Beal without having to stretch him and eat that salary hit for the next 5 years. Middleton will help them in the short term. And they turn a project in Maluach who won't help for a while into a talented young player at a position of need who helps immediately in Kuminga.

Why for Washington: It turns their willingness to spend and the cap flexibility into Maluach. It also clears up the log jam at forward and gives the Wizards a much needed, full-sized center to complement Sarr who is more of a PF/C in the Mobley/JJJ/Chet mold.

[payitforward]

Wow! terrific!

[dorianwrite]

I've got it!

Golden State trades: Kuminga (signed to $28M or thereabouts)
Golden State receives: Kispert, their 2030 pick back from WAS

Phoenix trades: Beal, Maluach
Phoenix receives: Kuminga, Middleton

Washington trades: Middleton, Kispert, 2030 GSW pick
Washington receives: Beal (bought out after trade), Maluach

Why for Golden State: It resolves their Kuminga situation satisfactorily. It's not a great return, but it looks like there isn't a great return out there. This is better than Kuminga on a QO. They get Kispert who should be good in their system, and they get full control of their 2030 pick. This return has been grudgingly accepted by some GSW fans in past trade proposals.

Why for Phoenix: They get off Beal without having to stretch him and eat that salary hit for the next 5 years. Middleton will help them in the short term. And they turn a project in Maluach who won't help for a while into a talented young player at a position of need who helps immediately in Kuminga.

Why for Washington: It turns their willingness to spend and the cap flexibility into Maluach. It also clears up the log jam at forward and gives the Wizards a much needed, full-sized center to complement Sarr who is more of a PF/C in the Mobley/JJJ/Chet mold.

I was a believer in Maluach heading into the draft, but...

I might (okay, probably) misunderstand how the rules work, but if we bought out Beal, wouldn't we then wind up with a cap hit that goes on for years? Why bail out Phoenix with good "now" players when they could wind up stuck with a giant cap hit from buying out Beal, which weakens them during the very years when we might be able to swap draft picks with them?

[pcbothwel]

i imagine there'll be an attempt to move Kispert this Summer. & I'm sure they'd listen to offers for Olynyk and the other vets.

I'm actually leaning the other way on Kispert. Unless we got good value for him like we did with Kuz, Im not looking to dump him for an expiring and the 48th pick in the 2028 draft.
1) I was listening to JJ Redicks pod with Cam Johnson from this last season and they talked extensively about everything shooting the basketball (Good listen). Towards the end, the question came up about "Who do you look at in terms of form, base, touch, etc. that may not be there yet, but could be an elite shooter in time?". JJ said "He's (Kispert) is going to have a really good career and excited to see him develop... His movement w/o the ball, cutting, etc. is really good".

2) Kispert is in year 1 of a 4-year, declining contract. Year 4 is a Team Option ($13M) at 6% of the cap (~20% less than the MLE!!!). Even if he NEVER improves his contract is fair. If he bounces back to be a 50/40/85 guy along with a little more creativity, then he's a steal as a 7th man for a contender.

3) Other than Tre, NOBODY on the team moves like Kispert off the ball. His skillset is still unique and a good fit for a young team. If you want to open of the paint for our guards, we need legit deep ball shooting threats.

2 of CJ/Midds/Smart need to be moved by the deadline, we will have some injuries, and guys like Watkins/Riley/AJ need some burn in the G-League. So Im not TOO worried about the logjam.