Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[dlts20]

Whats with all the Lewis talk? There is no way in hell I trade Gil if Lewis is part of the package. To me thats not even on EG's mind. I dont think Orlando thinks were that dumb. It would be insane to trade Gil for a worst guy who has only 1 year less with basically the same contract. No, its VC or nothing. Atleast we know why Gil has been tanking it

[LyricalRico]

Best case for us would be the Gortat/Pietrus/Duhon deal but I don't know how likely that would be.

That's one I'd looked at as well, although I was looking for ways to expand it to include Hinrich so that we don't have so much money tied up in our backup PG position.

[mhd]

What about this 4-way:
Wiz trade: Arenas+Hinrich+McGee for Batum+Andre Miller (exp)+Biedrins+VladRad (exp)
GSW trades: Biedrins+VladRad+Gadzuric for Carter+Gortat
Orl trades: VC+Gortat for Arenas+Gadzuric
Por trades: Miller+Batum for Hinrich+McGee

NEW LINEUPS:
Wiz:
PG: Wall/Miller
SG: Young/Batum
SF: Howard/Batum/Thorton
PF: Blatche/Booker
C: Biedrins/Armstron/Yi

[Wizards2Lottery]

I see no reason why Portland would trade Batum for McGee.

[mhd]

I see no reason why Portland would trade Batum for McGee.

I think the one reason is that they have a glut of wings (Roy, Matthews, Babbitt) and their big men are either old or expired or injured. McGee and Batum were drafted the same year. I think it makes sense for both teams.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Say we take back Rashard Lewis, would he be able to play the SF spot for us? His range at SF might open things up for Wall, Young and Blatche to work inside.

[mhd]

Say we take back Rashard Lewis, would he be able to play the SF spot for us? His range at SF might open things up for Wall, Young and Blatche to work inside.

I would hate to have Lewis. He sucks and is done. I doubt he can guard 3s. He makes more than Arenas. No point in trading for Lewis. Arenas is the better player. If the Magic don't want to trade an expiring for Arenas, then do the Duhon+Pietrus+Gortat deal and try and pawn of VC somewhere else.

[Hoopalotta]

Whats with all the Lewis talk? There is no way in hell I trade Gil if Lewis is part of the package. To me thats not even on EG's mind. I dont think Orlando thinks were that dumb. It would be insane to trade Gil for a worst guy who has only 1 year less with basically the same contract. No, its VC or nothing. Atleast we know why Gil has been tanking it

The one thing that can be said for Shart.......'s contract, is that the last year is only guaranteed for $10 depending on assorted performance incentives. So, if he stinks - and that's pretty well a given - he can probably be cut in 2013 for just that $10 million (and less if there's salary roll backs).

That's cutting the dollars from 2012 onward in half - $31 million versus $62 million.

But nobody here knows what the contract's parameters are for Lewis and how that final year goes to being fully guaranteed. If all he has to do is lace his left shoe up half way and take a swig of Gatorade to get that final year fully guaranteed, then it's not so compelling.

[P'Oed]

Sending the guy away that reminded this area they even HAD a professional basketball team just doesn't feel right. Then again, what the hell do we do? I'm just really hoping there's a long term plan in place here.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Sending the guy away that reminded this area they even HAD a professional basketball team just doesn't feel right. Then again, what the hell do we do? I'm just really hoping there's a long term plan in place here.

I agree P'Oed. This is going to be one bittersweet trade. Gilbert has given me the best memories of my years following sports. I have never rooted for a player as much as I have for Gilbert.

I'd love to see him do great on a great team. But a part of me always wished that Arenas would retire an all time great for the Wizards and have his #0 jersey retired in the rafters. Oh well.

[nate33]

It's definitely a bittersweet trade, but it's also the right thing to do (assuming we can unload him without taking back Shart). We are rebuilding and have a 20-year old #1 pick as our PG. It's just not logical to keep Arenas around.

I'll still root for Gil when I watch him play, but I won't begrudge the Wizards organization for doing what's in the long term interests of the team.

[Wizards2Lottery]

It's definitely a bittersweet trade, but it's also the right thing to do (assuming we can unload him without taking back Shart). We are rebuilding and have a 20-year old #1 pick as our PG. It's just not logical to keep Arenas around.

I'll still root for Gil when I watch him play, but I won't begrudge the Wizards organization for doing what's in the long term interests of the team.

Agreed. Hope the guy does well and I won't hold it against the franchise for how things turned out. It's rather unfortunate with how everything turned out the last few years but we have a chance to start of from scratch and we should take advantage of it.

[mattyBoi]

Shart's contract is performance based in the last year and I don't even think he's reaching those standards this year.

He is not terrible though and personally I don't want to see him go. He can play SF or PF with ease, the only issue is he doesn't defend SF's at a championship level. Magic need a playmaker, someone who get to the rim and create and we have PF depth in Bass and Ryan Anderson, so that's why the deal would make sense on our end.

I also read a tweet saying Arenas would agree to waive his player option, which makes the deal pretty interesting.

[Induveca]

I really wanted Arenas to stick around, but after watching the trainwreck that is this team........and Wall's constant injuries/Flip's horrible coaching/and finally the complete lack of intelligence from McGee. At this point I think we'll be doing Arenas and Hinrich both a favor by shipping them out of town.

If that happens soon, and Wall continues to be injured we're looking at a 15 win season.

[dlts20]

Whats with all the Lewis talk? There is no way in hell I trade Gil if Lewis is part of the package. To me thats not even on EG's mind. I dont think Orlando thinks were that dumb. It would be insane to trade Gil for a worst guy who has only 1 year less with basically the same contract. No, its VC or nothing. Atleast we know why Gil has been tanking it

The one thing that can be said for Shart.......'s contract, is that the last year is only guaranteed for $10 depending on assorted performance incentives. So, if he stinks - and that's pretty well a given - he can probably be cut in 2013 for just that $10 million (and less if there's salary roll backs).

That's cutting the dollars from 2012 onward in half - $31 million versus $62 million.

But nobody here knows what the contract's parameters are for Lewis and how that final year goes to being fully guaranteed. If all he has to do is lace his left shoe up half way and take a swig of Gatorade to get that final year fully guaranteed, then it's not so compelling.

yeah but Shard makes more then Gil right now. In the next 2 years Gil makes only 37mil while Shard makes 42.6mil. In the 3rd year Gil only makes 20.8 so even if Shard only makes 10 then thats 52.6mil vs 57.8mil for Gil. Only 5mil difference when Gil is a much better player. You arent saving much. Sure Gil will have one more year left but by that time his contract will be seen as a asset since its his final year

[507Mack]

I really wanted Arenas to stick around, but after watching the trainwreck that is this team........and Wall's constant injuries/Flip's horrible coaching/and finally the complete lack of intelligence from McGee. At this point I think we'll be doing Arenas and Hinrich both a favor by shipping them out of town.

If that happens soon, and Wall continues to be injured we're looking at a 15 win season.

My thoughts exactly. I wantedthis thing to work so bad, but watching Hinrich and Flip's diahrrea-face all year just wants me to blow this thing up even more and start from scratch. I'll root for Gil regardless, even though I can't stand Dwight Howard and his toolish "personality".

[WiscoKing13]

Best case for us would be the Gortat/Pietrus/Duhon deal but I don't know how likely that would be.

That's one I'd looked at as well, although I was looking for ways to expand it to include Hinrich so that we don't have so much money tied up in our backup PG position.

if you guys get duhon, whats the asking price??

i'd do duhon for dooling straight up?? 2.4 mil cap space next year, 3.5 mil the second year and don't have to deal with his 1.5 mil the last year.

[Hoopalotta]

Say we take back Rashard Lewis, would he be able to play the SF spot for us? His range at SF might open things up for Wall, Young and Blatche to work inside.

Assuming his performance incentives are what I would expect (middle of the road), I think if we take back Shart, we'd want him to be our sixth man so that he doesn't get that last year guaranteed.

But he could probably play some minutes at small forward as a "3 and bad D" guy.

[Hoopalotta]

Shart's contract is performance based in the last year and I don't even think he's reaching those standards this year.

He is not terrible though and personally I don't want to see him go. He can play SF or PF with ease, the only issue is he doesn't defend SF's at a championship level. Magic need a playmaker, someone who get to the rim and create and we have PF depth in Bass and Ryan Anderson, so that's why the deal would make sense on our end.

I also read a tweet saying Arenas would agree to waive his player option, which makes the deal pretty interesting.

Much appreciated for the scoop.

That would be absolutely wild is Arenas agreed to waive those last years. I could see the deal being for Carter in that case. You'd have to give credit to Gil there for wanting to win and play for something as I'm not sure if anyone has ever given up THAT much cash.

I'm not going to get my hopes up there, though. That's crazy money to walk away from.

[Wizards2Lottery]

BQRMagic

"Heard through 'back-channels' the Gil trade is done." - @SBNation colleague @AndrewSharp

Oh boy. Wonder what we are getting ...