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Post#1081 » by verbal8 » Fri May 27, 2011 6:05 pm

nate33 wrote:One thought:

If Kanter and Valanciunas are gone at #6, our best bet might be to draft Biyombo. The reason is that Detroit really wants a big man in this draft. With Kanter, Valanciunas and Biyombo gone by #8, they'll probably be willing to trade to get Biyombo.

We draft Biyombo at #6

Sacramento drafts Walker at #7

Detroit trades with us to move up to #6. We draft Leonard at #8 while coming away with incentive from Detroit.


The Wizards in theory could move back twice(7 and then 8). I would probably shoot for 2013 1st rounders as an incentive. I think Sacramento probably pays a little more than Detroit since they get the last "top PG" in the draft. If Detroit skipped straight to 6 I think they might take Walker.
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Post#1082 » by closg00 » Fri May 27, 2011 6:06 pm

Anyone hear Mike Woebegon interview on 980? He said that Williams wants to play with Wall also, so you've got 2 of the top-5 picks wanting to play in DC :o
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Post#1083 » by tontoz » Fri May 27, 2011 6:21 pm

closg00 wrote:Anyone hear Mike Woebegon interview on 980? He said that Williams wants to play with Wall also, so you've got 2 of the top-5 picks wanting to play in DC :o


Wow. Considering the history of this franchise that is a pretty strong endorsement of Wall.

I wonder if they would still want to play here is the Wizards drafted Cousins. :lol:
Thank God we didn't draft the Fat Matador.

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Post#1084 » by Ruzious » Fri May 27, 2011 6:37 pm

I love that trend. Now, if we could get Dwight Howard to say he wants to play with Wall...
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Post#1085 » by W. Unseld » Fri May 27, 2011 6:51 pm

After the measurements have come in is anyone near the 18th looking like a Lebron slower? (I won't say "stopper")

Does Singleton fit the bill?

These are all probably ignorant questions but my draft absorption is less this year b/c my busy season has hit sooner than usual.
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Post#1086 » by dobrojim » Fri May 27, 2011 7:02 pm

some of us have looked at Singleton as a potential LeTrav stopper.
to keep things real we should remember we (royal) looked at D-Mac the
same way. Not saying CS = Dmac. We also looked at Booker as
a potential LeTrav stopper too.
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Post#1087 » by closg00 » Fri May 27, 2011 7:32 pm

Wiz are working-out Kevin Anderson on June 20. Gotta be 2nd round or camp invite probably.
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Post#1088 » by Ruzious » Fri May 27, 2011 7:40 pm

closg00 wrote:Wiz are working-out Kevin Anderson on June 20. Gotta be 2nd round or camp invite probably.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kev ... rson-6379/

Doc liked him - if my memory's right. And of course, EG reads these boards looking for tips. Hey, if we pick Harper - maybe Anderson's presence would help. And we could use a 3rd PG - if Shakur leaves.
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Post#1089 » by jivelikenice » Fri May 27, 2011 8:10 pm

Does Marcus Morris have the necessary skills to play SF? He has the jumpshot and athleticism, but the creativity off the dribble is where he lacks. Would his ability to add rebounding from the SF position outweigh that considering on this team we'll have Wall & Crawford dominating dominating the basketball for the most part? He'd also give us flexibility where he can slide up to the 4 when we go small. i think its actually pretty intriguing.

Not to mention he'll have the added dimension of being able to post up other small forwards. You can create a mismatch that will require a double team by posting him up.
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Post#1090 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 27, 2011 8:25 pm

closg00 wrote:FWIW, the Pacers are also considering Harper, he's part of their workout today.

BTW - I don't think we have any workouts scheduled until 6/8?


I have noticed some teams draft or otherwise acquire the same kind of player over and over. Indiana has a lot of swing men already. They've already got a zillion scoring forwards in the 6-7 to 6-9 range. Granger, George, Dunleavy, Rush, Posey, and Hansbrough are all scorers. For them to want to draft Harper makes very little sense to me unless they move some bodies.

Harper should hope against hope he doesn't go to Indiana.
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Post#1091 » by mohammed10 » Fri May 27, 2011 8:29 pm

Ruzious wrote:I love that trend. Now, if we could get Dwight Howard to say he wants to play with Wall...


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Post#1092 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 27, 2011 8:38 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:So, is Leonard not a good fit simply because hes not a shooter? From his workouts he seems to be working hard on his shot, i like his attitude and work ethic from what i saw. He seems like he could be a Josh Howard type with better defense and rebounding.

I agree.

Too many people are writing off Leonard as just another athletic swingman who can't shoot. Leonard improved his 3P% from 23% to 30% between his freshman and sophomore year, and he shot 40% from 3 in the second half of this season (last 14 games). Also, all the guys who have watched his workouts have said that he is shooting extremely well. And he's a 75% FT shooter.

I still like Leonard at #6 (assuming there's no way to trade up and get Kanter). I'd rather trade down to #9 or so and get him, but that's easier said than done. I defintely think he's the best SF prospect in this draft.


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(WD sorry if I messed up part of your quote)

I like Leonard at 6, too, for the same reasons.

I really don't care about the outside shot when the guy is a stone cold rebounder and will probably be a lockdown defender at SF. The guy's going to get his points on dunks because of Wall and Crawford/Young or whomever is at SG. Leonard strikes me as a stud athlete and quality kid who is going to work very hard and not disappoint. San Diego State had a ton of success because of him. I like him a ton.
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Post#1093 » by mohammed10 » Fri May 27, 2011 8:49 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:So, is Leonard not a good fit simply because hes not a shooter? From his workouts he seems to be working hard on his shot, i like his attitude and work ethic from what i saw. He seems like he could be a Josh Howard type with better defense and rebounding.

I agree.

Too many people are writing off Leonard as just another athletic swingman who can't shoot. Leonard improved his 3P% from 23% to 30% between his freshman and sophomore year, and he shot 40% from 3 in the second half of this season (last 14 games). Also, all the guys who have watched his workouts have said that he is shooting extremely well. And he's a 75% FT shooter.

I still like Leonard at #6 (assuming there's no way to trade up and get Kanter). I'd rather trade down to #9 or so and get him, but that's easier said than done. I defintely think he's the best SF prospect in this draft.


I like Leonard at 6, too, for the same reasons.

I really don't care about the outside shot when the guy is a stone cold rebounder and will probably be a lockdown defender at SF. The guy's going to get his points on dunks because of Wall and Crawford/Young or whomever is at SG. Leonard strikes me as a stud athlete and quality kid who is going to work very hard and not disappoint. San Diego State had a ton of success because of him. I like him a ton.
cosign nate leonard--bb iq, huge motor, rebounds like a center, becomes our best perimeter defender, excellent passer, and young and showing excellent improvement offensively, he is a gym rat and will live at impact where he will get even better skill wise with their guidance. I like him better than Vesely for this team.


Not to be too cynical, but isn't that the same thing that was said about Corey Brewer when he came out of Florida a few years ago?
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Post#1094 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 27, 2011 8:50 pm

nate33 wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:i'm lukewarm on both, but i recognize that most likely those two are what we'll have to work with at the 6th. i will say if we take leonard, singleton at 18 is a waste. the difference between the 2 is marginal imo, and if faried or the lesser morris is there, we should be looking PF rather than SF. the 2nd rounder is just icing on the cake. J Williams, J Harper, K Singler, whoever. hopefully there's a combo guard of worth because even with crawford, we're pretty thin at guard.

I agree that if we take Leonard at #6, we should be looking for an offensive-minded big man at #18. Markieff Morris (if he slips) or Vucevic might be good targets.


I agree with the logic here, too.

Offense at 18 if defense is the pick at 6 (or defense at 18 if offense is the pick at 6). I think I'd go Faried at 6 and Brooks at 18, even though draft pundits would disagree. Actually I'd trade down to get those two. As much as a like Leonard, I believe Faried will probably be better at PF because this team is built for speed. I think Brooks will be a better pro than Leonard. Brooks reminds me a lot of Kevin Martin. I thought based on stats Martin should be higher but didn't say much at all because IIRC he went to Western Carolina. Brooks shredded the Big East arguably better than Kemba Walker.

I have said before I like Faried and Brooks. There's other offense/defense combinations I like. Harper and Markieff Morris would be good. Leonard and Charles Jenkins would be good. JaJuan Johnson's offense would be terrific at 34. Isiah Thomas is growing (unfortunately not in height, literally) on me as an offensive pick at 34. Klay Thompson is a great offensive pick at 18. Tristan Thompson would be great defensively at 18, but won't last.

Last, I think the Wizards could draft both Jordans and do fine. Jordan Hamilton is solid and so is Jordan Williams. Both would fill team needs, too.

Sorry for the rant, but this is a fascinating draft IMO.
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Post#1095 » by Wizardspride » Fri May 27, 2011 8:50 pm

closg00 wrote:Anyone hear Mike Woebegon interview on 980? He said that Williams wants to play with Wall also, so you've got 2 of the top-5 picks wanting to play in DC :o

What show was it on?

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Post#1096 » by Wizardspride » Fri May 27, 2011 8:51 pm

Double post.

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Post#1097 » by hands11 » Fri May 27, 2011 8:53 pm

nate33 wrote:They should do a reaction time test at the combine. It could be really simple. Just have someone hold a yardstick vertically while the subject player holds his finger and thumb near the base. The tester lets go of the yardstick and it falls until the player can pinch his thumb and finger together to stop the fall. Measure the distance the yardstick fell and you have a good baseline for reaction time.

My theory is that the great defenders are the ones with the great reaction time. There's a reason why Bruce Bowen defends better than Rudy Gay.



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Post#1098 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 27, 2011 8:54 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:
nate33 wrote:I agree.

Too many people are writing off Leonard as just another athletic swingman who can't shoot. Leonard improved his 3P% from 23% to 30% between his freshman and sophomore year, and he shot 40% from 3 in the second half of this season (last 14 games). Also, all the guys who have watched his workouts have said that he is shooting extremely well. And he's a 75% FT shooter.

I still like Leonard at #6 (assuming there's no way to trade up and get Kanter). I'd rather trade down to #9 or so and get him, but that's easier said than done. I defintely think he's the best SF prospect in this draft.


I like Leonard at 6, too, for the same reasons.

I really don't care about the outside shot when the guy is a stone cold rebounder and will probably be a lockdown defender at SF. The guy's going to get his points on dunks because of Wall and Crawford/Young or whomever is at SG. Leonard strikes me as a stud athlete and quality kid who is going to work very hard and not disappoint. San Diego State had a ton of success because of him. I like him a ton.
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Not to be too cynical, but isn't that the same thing that was said about Corey Brewer when he came out of Florida a few years ago?


The kid that reminds me of Brewer is Marcus Lamb of U Conn (Dat said this first, IIRC, and I agree). Leonard reminds me more of Gerald Wallace, but he's not as explosive.

Speaking of Corey Brewer, I think Rick Carlisle needs to use him against the Heat. He can defend better than DeShawn or Terry. Dallas will need more size on the wings against the Heat.
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Post#1099 » by Ruzious » Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:
nate33 wrote:I agree.

Too many people are writing off Leonard as just another athletic swingman who can't shoot. Leonard improved his 3P% from 23% to 30% between his freshman and sophomore year, and he shot 40% from 3 in the second half of this season (last 14 games). Also, all the guys who have watched his workouts have said that he is shooting extremely well. And he's a 75% FT shooter.

I still like Leonard at #6 (assuming there's no way to trade up and get Kanter). I'd rather trade down to #9 or so and get him, but that's easier said than done. I defintely think he's the best SF prospect in this draft.


I like Leonard at 6, too, for the same reasons.

I really don't care about the outside shot when the guy is a stone cold rebounder and will probably be a lockdown defender at SF. The guy's going to get his points on dunks because of Wall and Crawford/Young or whomever is at SG. Leonard strikes me as a stud athlete and quality kid who is going to work very hard and not disappoint. San Diego State had a ton of success because of him. I like him a ton.
cosign nate leonard--bb iq, huge motor, rebounds like a center, becomes our best perimeter defender, excellent passer, and young and showing excellent improvement offensively, he is a gym rat and will live at impact where he will get even better skill wise with their guidance. I like him better than Vesely for this team.


Not to be too cynical, but isn't that the same thing that was said about Corey Brewer when he came out of Florida a few years ago?

The questions on Leonard are legit, but... he's about 30 lbs heavier than Brewer was, and he's MUCH longer. Everyone said Corey Brewer was very long, and he really wasn't. Leonard really is.
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Post#1100 » by doclinkin » Fri May 27, 2011 9:02 pm

Ruzious wrote:
closg00 wrote:Wiz are working-out Kevin Anderson on June 20. Gotta be 2nd round or camp invite probably.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kev ... rson-6379/

Doc liked him - if my memory's right. And of course, EG reads these boards looking for tips. Hey, if we pick Harper - maybe Anderson's presence would help. And we could use a 3rd PG - if Shakur leaves.


Actually given GMEG's paranoia, I suspect he's working out Anderson to pick his brain about Harper without tipping his hand. I wouldn't be surprised if we never worked out Harper.

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