Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[sfam]

There was a time Bennett offense was being compared to car melody which may be unfair cause he's pretty good offensively

Another possible unfair comparison perhaps but guys who have watched Bennett offensively how far behind LeBron is he? I understand LeBron is ahead by far in assists but how about other facets? assuming LeBron is less of a scorer than melo

I don't the the Lebron comparison. I think LJ is a f ar better comparison. At least on offense, Bennett seems as dominant.

Barung injuries, Bennett should be a real force on offense - most agree on that. He has a great first step, a good shot, makes quick decisions and is a gew at driver.

[sfam]

except we don't have a go to scorer. If you want to make wall a go to scorer, expect to see the same results with him physically that we saw with Gilbert Arenas. Beal is not a go to scorer, he is a spot up shooter. Porter is not a go to scorer. Nene is not a night to night go to scorer. Okafor definitely is not a go to scorer. There is a huge problem with this line up longterm. Are we expecting to pull a go to front court scorer in the future?
Beal is what he is and he is definitely a system guy, he doesn't have the tools to take over a game at will.
Wall can attack the rim, but do we want that to be his role considering his injury history and what we learned about forcing your point guard to carry the scoring load every night and heighten injury issues associated with being a number one option point guard getting knocked to the ground multiples times per game trying to take it inside.
Porter is absolutely NOT a go to scorer and NEVER will be.
We need a plan.

One of the few posts I largely agree with, WizD. That said, I think Porter will be a decent pick as well. We just really suckbon offense - we still need more than Wall and Beal. Maybe Porter does enough other things though to make up for it.

[Knighthonor]

except we don't have a go to scorer. If you want to make wall a go to scorer, expect to see the same results with him physically that we saw with Gilbert Arenas. Beal is not a go to scorer, he is a spot up shooter. Porter is not a go to scorer. Nene is not a night to night go to scorer. Okafor definitely is not a go to scorer. There is a huge problem with this line up longterm. Are we expecting to pull a go to front court scorer in the future?
Beal is what he is and he is definitely a system guy, he doesn't have the tools to take over a game at will.
Wall can attack the rim, but do we want that to be his role considering his injury history and what we learned about forcing your point guard to carry the scoring load every night and heighten injury issues associated with being a number one option point guard getting knocked to the ground multiples times per game trying to take it inside.
Porter is absolutely NOT a go to scorer and NEVER will be.
We need a plan.

One of the few posts I largely agree with, WizD. That said, I think Porter will be a decent pick as well. We just really suckbon offense - we still need more than Wall and Beal. Maybe Porter does enough other things though to make up for it.

If OP is not a go to scorer, than Bennett seem like a higher pick since he has the tools to play inside and out at the 4.

[hands11]

I have a question. What made lot of Wiz community overlook and miss Drummonds last season?

Beal and how perfect a fit he was. They needed to hit a HR and they did.

[hands11]

Is Noel the next Thabeet? I don't know but he looks like a reed to me. He is skinny, injured, and has no offensive talent. I do love his defensive game though. I wouldn't take a chance on him. If I could get an Illyasova in his prime on a long term, reasonable contract, and then add Dieng or Adams I would do so without hesitation.

Noel seems lots more skilled and a better athlete besides than Thabeet. If the knee is fine, I don't see bust with Noel.

Who do you see bust in ?

[gambitx777]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 1m
Hearing same RT @KyleTucker_CJ: Noel was in Cleveland last week and said the Cavs' team doc told him "everything was perfect" with his knee.

At this point Noel's gotta be the pick. Seems like the kid has done everything to prove he should be the overall pick.

No, no he has not done anything to prove anything. Let the cave have him! Len is a better 2 way prospect that noel

Is Noel the next Thabeet? I don't know but he looks like a reed to me. He is skinny, injured, and has no offensive talent. I do love his defensive game though. I wouldn't take a chance on him. If I could get an Illyasova in his prime on a long term, reasonable contract, and then add Dieng or Adams I would do so without hesitation.

I think he will be the next thabeet or oden, he scares me to death.

[hands11]

except we don't have a go to scorer. If you want to make wall a go to scorer, expect to see the same results with him physically that we saw with Gilbert Arenas. Beal is not a go to scorer, he is a spot up shooter. Porter is not a go to scorer. Nene is not a night to night go to scorer. Okafor definitely is not a go to scorer. There is a huge problem with this line up longterm. Are we expecting to pull a go to front court scorer in the future?
Beal is what he is and he is definitely a system guy, he doesn't have the tools to take over a game at will.
Wall can attack the rim, but do we want that to be his role considering his injury history and what we learned about forcing your point guard to carry the scoring load every night and heighten injury issues associated with being a number one option point guard getting knocked to the ground multiples times per game trying to take it inside.
Porter is absolutely NOT a go to scorer and NEVER will be.
We need a plan.

One of the few posts I largely agree with, WizD. That said, I think Porter will be a decent pick as well. We just really suckbon offense - we still need more than Wall and Beal. Maybe Porter does enough other things though to make up for it.

I have no problem with Wall being the one to get 10 FTA a night for a few years while they build out the team. Beal is working hard on his handles. Don't count him out as someone who will be able to create his own offense. He can already shoot off the dribble and he can drive. If they want to be more like GS, they need that 3rd guard who is their J Jack. That would be a Burke, CJM or VO.

Then they need a tall strong center so they have more then Okafor, Nene and Kevin S to throw at a Hibbert. They can find those bodies in the 2nd with an Iverson, etc.

Until they find their ideal future PF and Center, I think they will keep things flexible. No reason they can't have Nene and Okafor around for a while if they want. And it seems they have Boogie as a open down the road when it seems to be the right move which might be next off season.

[gambitx777]

On the money note, Yeah, there should be a little kick back to those players. But there are other ways he could have gotten those tat's thats not under the table money.

On McLemore, Im fine with taking him at 3. I have no problem with that at all, because guard depth is an issue, and having two 2 guards that we can trade down the line gives us great flexibility. Because both beal and Maclemore will be lucrative assets that can net us a loto pick next year or Allow us to dump NENE if he get's hurt again. and if that we win with them, keep them, make the playoffs and maybe trade one next season.

Which has been a position I have promoted with him and Burke.

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

I think it more and more likely Len goes #1

http://www.nbadraft.net/

And I think its also very possible Burke goes #2
http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/03/nba-dra ... ndo-magic/

So McLemore, VO, and Otto very well may be there at #3

TRUTH, i men really taking a talented player like Oladipo or MaClemore could really help the team. and if all it does is get us a trade chip thats fine cuz right now really really don't have any good ones.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Unless the Hornets are willing to move Ryan Anderson, the only deal that make any semblence of sense is the Derrick Williams swap. Then, take Zeller, Mccollum (in that order) at 9.

I'd consider Olynyk as a tremendous fit at #9, also.

If you trade for Williams then you would draft another stretch 4 in Olynk? I'd think you either take a guard or pure center at that point.

Olynyk can score in the post as C with non-starters on the floor.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Olynyk is a post player, he is not a true stretch 4, He can shoot but he has an excellent post game. But i would also consider, CJM or KCP at 9 as well. Especially if we get the 26 the pick in the deal. Because, we can add nice senior depth at the back of the draft. I would love getting CCJ at 9. there are some good centers and stretch 4's in the back of the draft, also if we really want Olynyk we can try to by a late loto mid range pick to get Olynyk.

Yes, gambit, KCP has the length, defensive anticipatory skills, and enough of a scorer's mentality to also be a good pick at 9.

I like Beal and sort of keep forgetting about Caldwell-Pope because he has the same game. I want disparate skills from whomever the pick is. However, on BPA and talent alone KCP belongs in the discussion at #9. I like him.

All that talk about this being a weak draft is IMO way, way off.

[mhd]

Quick question: If you could trade the #3 pick for MKG, would you do it? Honestly, I would. I like MKG better than Porter.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

except we don't have a go to scorer. If you want to make wall a go to scorer, expect to see the same results with him physically that we saw with Gilbert Arenas. Beal is not a go to scorer, he is a spot up shooter. Porter is not a go to scorer. Nene is not a night to night go to scorer. Okafor definitely is not a go to scorer. There is a huge problem with this line up longterm. Are we expecting to pull a go to front court scorer in the future?
Beal is what he is and he is definitely a system guy, he doesn't have the tools to take over a game at will.
Wall can attack the rim, but do we want that to be his role considering his injury history and what we learned about forcing your point guard to carry the scoring load every night and heighten injury issues associated with being a number one option point guard getting knocked to the ground multiples times per game trying to take it inside.
Porter is absolutely NOT a go to scorer and NEVER will be.
We need a plan.

One of the few posts I largely agree with, WizD. That said, I think Porter will be a decent pick as well. We just really suckbon offense - we still need more than Wall and Beal. Maybe Porter does enough other things though to make up for it.

Otto's offense is going to get better and better over time. He's a fine pick at #3, and I hope the Wizards do draft him given the chance. Zeller is perhaps a better fit and a good pick.

Oladipo IMO is a great draft-to-trade pick. Future star to superstar IMO.

Len is not Vesely. If his ankle is good-to-go he's likely worth the gamble. He looks like a backup big man based on stats/games at UMCP, but I think his Euro perimeter game and his effort on defense make him worth the risk -- IF his ankle checks out . Alex at his best is flat out a beast. His potential is IMO the highest (by far) in this draft.

WizD is probably right about Adams' defense. I don't like his flaky--but I of all people shouldn't knock that. His shot is primitive bad but he moves with nimble reflexes and is both strong and quick. Might become an elite defender ... Or, might just be happy cashing checks. Very low skill on offense.

Olynyk seems like a logical pick because he is a seven foot, scoring machine. Dude seems like a very high IQ type to me. Battier smart type player IMO.

The more I think about Cody Zeller as the pick the more I am okay with him. Way better than Hansbrough or his brother Tyler. Also very smart. Like Beal, youngest brother learned from big brothers and is wise well beyond his years. I just like Olynyk, but objectively, Cody Zeller might be the best pick.
McCollum is a no-brainer, and in a vacuum is worthy at #3. He is Wall insurance, a potentially great combo guard, and is also a quality rebounder and defender. Reminds me of Walt Frazier. Feels like a future star type to me.

This draft is loaded IMO.

[mhd]

except we don't have a go to scorer. If you want to make wall a go to scorer, expect to see the same results with him physically that we saw with Gilbert Arenas. Beal is not a go to scorer, he is a spot up shooter. Porter is not a go to scorer. Nene is not a night to night go to scorer. Okafor definitely is not a go to scorer. There is a huge problem with this line up longterm. Are we expecting to pull a go to front court scorer in the future?
Beal is what he is and he is definitely a system guy, he doesn't have the tools to take over a game at will.
Wall can attack the rim, but do we want that to be his role considering his injury history and what we learned about forcing your point guard to carry the scoring load every night and heighten injury issues associated with being a number one option point guard getting knocked to the ground multiples times per game trying to take it inside.
Porter is absolutely NOT a go to scorer and NEVER will be.
We need a plan.

One of the few posts I largely agree with, WizD. That said, I think Porter will be a decent pick as well. We just really suckbon offense - we still need more than Wall and Beal. Maybe Porter does enough other things though to make up for it.

Otto's offense is going to get better and better over time. He's a fine pick at #3, and I hope the Wizards do draft him given the chance.

Zeller is a better fit and a good pick.

Oladipo IMO is a great draft-to-trade pick. Future star to superstar IMO.

Len is not Vesely. If his ankle is good-to-go he's likely worth the gamble. He looks like a backup big man but I think his Euro perimeter game and his effort on defense make him worth the risk -- IF his ankle checks out .

WizD is probably right about Adams' defense. I don't like his flaky--but I of all people shouldn't knock that. His shot is primitive bad but he moves with nimble reflexes and is both strong and quick. Might become an elite defender ... Or, might just be happy cashing checks. Very low skill on offense.

Olynyk seems like a logical pick because he is a seven foot, scoring machine. Dude seems like a very high IQ type to me. Battier smart type player IMO.

The more I think about Cody Zeller as the pick the more I am okay with him. Way better than Hansbrough or his brother Tyler. Also very smart. Like Beal, youngest brother learned from big brothers and is wise well beyond his years. I just like Olynyk, but objectively, Cody Zeller might be the best pick.
McCollum is a no-brainer, and in a vacuum is worthy at #3. He is Wall insurance, a potentially great combo guard, and is also a quality rebounder and defender. Reminds me of Walt Frazier. Feels like a future star type to me.

This draft is loaded IMO.

Honestly, I have Len as my #2 rated prospect in the draft. I'd draft him ahead of Porter based on the Wizards' needs.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I feel the same way, mhd.

Otto is a safe pick but I'd just as soon see Webster and contract year Ariza, backed by a round two pick like Andre Roberson or DJ Stephens (if they stick from 55).

I think I'd go Zeller or trade down for Olynyk before selecting Len. However, if Len is the pick I won't be too upset. He will take 2-3 years, but will likely be worth the wait.

[NortheastWiz]

A successful draft for me would be including drafting Otto Porter and Erik Murpy. We get the stretch 4 and we get a SF with lots of potential. Im suprised I havent heard anything about us being interested in Erik Murphy, kid has a nice stroke and has improved his shooting and works on his all around game.

[dangermouse]

Any more workout videos?

Perhaps they could be posted in another thread for ease of access?

[Deeptu McPullup]

Any more workout videos?

Give these old birds and inch and they'll sky on you, man.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoLIfgkpNcU[/youtube]

Edit:

Oh, I found another good one:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozoTzkCeO-A[/youtube]

[Knighthonor]

Quick question: If you could trade the #3 pick for MKG, would you do it? Honestly, I would. I like MKG better than Porter.

(BLEEP) NO!!!!!!

What are you, a Cat fan or something?

What makes MKG great? please explain,,,

[Knighthonor]

Yeah I also want to see the Workout video of OP and AB.

But Still want to know how OP is a good choice long term for the Wizards.

What can he do that will make the Wizards a super star team?

[Knighthonor]

starting to enter shut down mode myself as well. the suspense is too much to bare.

Ready to get to the Wiggins/Parker Draft thread. {^_^}