John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[CobraCommander]

I love John Wall, the player(at least when he’s playing great), but I’m really starting to dislike John Wall, the person. I feel some of his personality has rubbed off on Beal, too.

What did he do this time? I ask because as a rich professional athelete and all star goes...JW has been relatively quiet and unassuming. Honestly John still wears LV scarves as a headband and carries Supreme bags...which in a lot of ways shows he is just a kid with new money. But i will say he does charity, he has a chip on his shoulder about basketball but apart from throwing up an occasional blood gang sign and dropping N-bombs on his official social media accounts (Both really dumb childish and negatively impacting his ability to get real commercial endorsements) he has really been a good citizen from what i can tell. When you think about what Colin Cowherd said about him not coming from a good family upbringing and thus couldn’t be a leader...we cant front...there is some legitimacy when looking at statistics that say Johns dad being a felon doing hard time and dying while John was young could have really opened doors to a lifestyle that would have precluded John from being in the situation he is in now. I dont know him personally, but i can tell you, when I see the video of John and Brad last year getting yelled at by that guy in LA outside the club and John just getting into the car and leaving...ill tell you...that situation was one where a lot of guys on this board (at 26 years old) would have done something stupid...but John walked away. That shows maturity in ways that many guys that grew up like him dont have. I am getting annoyed with the yapping on ESPN he is doing but honestly the NBA is looking for the next stars and they are trying to make Brad and John a part of the “next up” guys... in 3 years Lebron is going to be gone- Durant and Curry will have complete dominance of the NBA unless Westbrook and someone else can oppose them. No matter what you think about the sub 25 year olds anywhere in the NBA, they will not be ready to win anytime in the next 3 years. The Wizards, Boston, OKC and Portland are the teams with young enough stars that should be coming into thier own when LBJ leaves and I think the NBA trying to pump up Wall by putting a camera in his face every day and his game isnt matching the exposure he is getting. But is that any reason to hate him??

[nate33]

I love John Wall, the player(at least when he’s playing great), but I’m really starting to dislike John Wall, the person. I feel some of his personality has rubbed off on Beal, too.

What did he do this time? I ask because as a rich professional athelete and all star goes...JW has been relatively quiet and unassuming. Honestly John still wears LV scarves as a headband and carries Supreme bags...which in a lot of ways shows he is just a kid with new money. But i will say he does charity, he has a chip on his shoulder about basketball but apart from throwing up an occasional blood gang sign and dropping N-bombs on his official social media accounts (Both really dumb childish and negatively impacting his ability to get real commercial endorsements) he has really been a good citizen from what i can tell. When you think about what Colin Cowherd said about him not coming from a good family upbringing and thus couldn’t be a leader...we cant front...there is some legitimacy when looking at statistics that say Johns dad being a felon doing hard time and dying while John was young could have really opened doors to a lifestyle that would have precluded John from being in the situation he is in now. I dont know him personally, but i can tell you, when I see the video of John and Brad last year getting yelled at by that guy in LA outside the club and John just getting into the car and leaving...ill tell you...that situation was one where a lot of guys on this board (at 26 years old) would have done something stupid...but John walked away. That shows maturity in ways that many guys that grew up like him dont have. I am getting annoyed with the yapping on ESPN he is doing but honestly the NBA is looking for the next stars and they are trying to make Brad and John a part of the “next up” guys... in 3 years Lebron is going to be gone- Durant and Curry will have complete dominance of the NBA unless Westbrook and someone else can oppose them. No matter what you think about the sub 25 year olds anywhere in the NBA, they will not be ready to win anytime in the next 3 years. The Wizards, Boston, OKC and Portland are the teams with young enough stars that should be coming into thier own when LBJ leaves and I think the NBA trying to pump up Wall by putting a camera in his face every day and his game isnt matching the exposure he is getting. But is that any reason to hate him??

Great post.

Overall, I think John Wall is a good man. Maybe he has some minor character flaws, but don't we all? I'm pretty happy to have a guy like him as the face of the franchise.

[ClutchDJ]

I love John Wall, the player(at least when he’s playing great), but I’m really starting to dislike John Wall, the person. I feel some of his personality has rubbed off on Beal, too.

What did he do this time? I ask because as a rich professional athelete and all star goes...JW has been relatively quiet and unassuming. Honestly John still wears LV scarves as a headband and carries Supreme bags...which in a lot of ways shows he is just a kid with new money. But i will say he does charity, he has a chip on his shoulder about basketball but apart from throwing up an occasional blood gang sign and dropping N-bombs on his official social media accounts (Both really dumb childish and negatively impacting his ability to get real commercial endorsements) he has really been a good citizen from what i can tell. When you think about what Colin Cowherd said about him not coming from a good family upbringing and thus couldn’t be a leader...we cant front...there is some legitimacy when looking at statistics that say Johns dad being a felon doing hard time and dying while John was young could have really opened doors to a lifestyle that would have precluded John from being in the situation he is in now. I dont know him personally, but i can tell you, when I see the video of John and Brad last year getting yelled at by that guy in LA outside the club and John just getting into the car and leaving...ill tell you...that situation was one where a lot of guys on this board (at 26 years old) would have done something stupid...but John walked away. That shows maturity in ways that many guys that grew up like him dont have. I am getting annoyed with the yapping on ESPN he is doing but honestly the NBA is looking for the next stars and they are trying to make Brad and John a part of the “next up” guys... in 3 years Lebron is going to be gone- Durant and Curry will have complete dominance of the NBA unless Westbrook and someone else can oppose them. No matter what you think about the sub 25 year olds anywhere in the NBA, they will not be ready to win anytime in the next 3 years. The Wizards, Boston, OKC and Portland are the teams with young enough stars that should be coming into thier own when LBJ leaves and I think the NBA trying to pump up Wall by putting a camera in his face every day and his game isnt matching the exposure he is getting. But is that any reason to hate him??

It’s just the stuff he says to the media lately. From the whining to the arrogance even though he hasn’t won anything of significance lately(MVP or Finals, or even a conference championship appearance). I feel like it started from the Reggie Jackson contract comments. That was lame & uncessary as hell from John. Then there’s other stuff like throwing the bench under the bus from the Celtics series even though he shot badly in every game after Game 2 in that series. Then there’s him showing frustration on Twitter to Ronnie2K because he didn’t like his 2K rating. Then there’s him talking down on Superteams despite him trying to recruit Paul George, which makes him look like a hypocrite. Then there’s the “No Mercy” about Lonzo Ball, in which he played like crap & lost the game. Also, calling yourself the “best blocking PG in NBA history” just comes off lame, IMO. Also, just yesterday, he talks about Cleveland purposely avoiding them in the playoffs, which I know LeBron took notice & hung up 57. He has been coming off as a insecure little girl for the past 2 years. Where is all this arrogance coming from? I feel some of it has rubbed off on Beal, too. Beal is starting to say arrogant s*** that doesn’t need to be said. The team needs to stop whining just because we didn’t get a call. We’re starting to come off as the East CP3-era Clippers.

I’ll be fine with him making all these comments if he lead us to a championship.

Otherwise, just shut the hell up & play. Please.

[NatP4]

you forgot the "LOL' tweet at the 1st team all defense selections after finishing 58th in DRPM among PGs last season.

[ClutchDJ]

you forgot the "LOL' tweet at the 1st team all defense selections after finishing 58th in DRPM among PGs last season.

Well, I didn’t even see that one. I did see the one where he “LOL’d” Buckner where she made a comment about his defense on Schroeder.

[CobraCommander]

you forgot the "LOL' tweet at the 1st team all defense selections after finishing 58th in DRPM among PGs last season.

Well, I didn’t even see that one. I did see the one where he “LOL’d” Buckner where she made a comment about his defense on Schroeder.

All legit comments....i think we all agree on everything you and NatP4 said. Those are the comments of 20 something year old millionaires that have been put on pedestals even though they havent won anything on the basketball court all of them have over a 100 million or in the case of john, over 200 million coming to them in basketball money. That’s the kind of money that makes you feel like you WON something in life even if you never win anything on the court. To put it in perspective, they all have Tom Brady, Payton Manning and Drew Brees money and they got zero rings and zero endorsements. I remember feeling like i did something when i broke the 100k barrier in my 20s...i cant imagine what it feels like to break the 100M barrier and know that you could get MORE while you still in your 20s for being a leader on a barely above 500 ball club. Guys the arrogance is LOW compared to where it could be...i think. But i am annoyed with that crap too! Just WIN guys and the ESPN guys will talk about you and you dont have to do anything but show up.

[dangermouse]

So whats the diagnosis and whats the timetable for return? 2-3?

[Kanyewest]

John Wall is posting a higher win share per 48(.134) than Russell Westbrook(.105)

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I love John Wall, the player(at least when he’s playing great), but I’m really starting to dislike John Wall, the person. I feel some of his personality has rubbed off on Beal, too.

What did he do this time? I ask because as a rich professional athelete and all star goes...JW has been relatively quiet and unassuming. Honestly John still wears LV scarves as a headband and carries Supreme bags...which in a lot of ways shows he is just a kid with new money. But i will say he does charity, he has a chip on his shoulder about basketball but apart from throwing up an occasional blood gang sign and dropping N-bombs on his official social media accounts (Both really dumb childish and negatively impacting his ability to get real commercial endorsements) he has really been a good citizen from what i can tell. When you think about what Colin Cowherd said about him not coming from a good family upbringing and thus couldn’t be a leader...we cant front...there is some legitimacy when looking at statistics that say Johns dad being a felon doing hard time and dying while John was young could have really opened doors to a lifestyle that would have precluded John from being in the situation he is in now. I dont know him personally, but i can tell you, when I see the video of John and Brad last year getting yelled at by that guy in LA outside the club and John just getting into the car and leaving...ill tell you...that situation was one where a lot of guys on this board (at 26 years old) would have done something stupid...but John walked away. That shows maturity in ways that many guys that grew up like him dont have. I am getting annoyed with the yapping on ESPN he is doing but honestly the NBA is looking for the next stars and they are trying to make Brad and John a part of the “next up” guys... in 3 years Lebron is going to be gone- Durant and Curry will have complete dominance of the NBA unless Westbrook and someone else can oppose them. No matter what you think about the sub 25 year olds anywhere in the NBA, they will not be ready to win anytime in the next 3 years. The Wizards, Boston, OKC and Portland are the teams with young enough stars that should be coming into thier own when LBJ leaves and I think the NBA trying to pump up Wall by putting a camera in his face every day and his game isnt matching the exposure he is getting. But is that any reason to hate him??

Great post.

Overall, I think John Wall is a good man. Maybe he has some minor character flaws, but don't we all? I'm pretty happy to have a guy like him as the face of the franchise.

Me too on all the above. Moreover... he's starting to play a little better too!!

[benb331]

What did he do this time? I ask because as a rich professional athelete and all star goes...JW has been relatively quiet and unassuming. Honestly John still wears LV scarves as a headband and carries Supreme bags...which in a lot of ways shows he is just a kid with new money. But i will say he does charity, he has a chip on his shoulder about basketball but apart from throwing up an occasional blood gang sign and dropping N-bombs on his official social media accounts (Both really dumb childish and negatively impacting his ability to get real commercial endorsements) he has really been a good citizen from what i can tell. When you think about what Colin Cowherd said about him not coming from a good family upbringing and thus couldn’t be a leader...we cant front...there is some legitimacy when looking at statistics that say Johns dad being a felon doing hard time and dying while John was young could have really opened doors to a lifestyle that would have precluded John from being in the situation he is in now. I dont know him personally, but i can tell you, when I see the video of John and Brad last year getting yelled at by that guy in LA outside the club and John just getting into the car and leaving...ill tell you...that situation was one where a lot of guys on this board (at 26 years old) would have done something stupid...but John walked away. That shows maturity in ways that many guys that grew up like him dont have. I am getting annoyed with the yapping on ESPN he is doing but honestly the NBA is looking for the next stars and they are trying to make Brad and John a part of the “next up” guys... in 3 years Lebron is going to be gone- Durant and Curry will have complete dominance of the NBA unless Westbrook and someone else can oppose them. No matter what you think about the sub 25 year olds anywhere in the NBA, they will not be ready to win anytime in the next 3 years. The Wizards, Boston, OKC and Portland are the teams with young enough stars that should be coming into thier own when LBJ leaves and I think the NBA trying to pump up Wall by putting a camera in his face every day and his game isnt matching the exposure he is getting. But is that any reason to hate him??

Great post.

Overall, I think John Wall is a good man. Maybe he has some minor character flaws, but don't we all? I'm pretty happy to have a guy like him as the face of the franchise.

Me too on all the above. Moreover... he's starting to play a little better too!!

As a person, John does seem like a good man: acceptable at absolute worst. It's what happens on the court that makes me a fan for life. After 25 years of watching this hapless franchise, I feel like it's a unique treat to be able to watch Wall play 80+ games each year. I've never seen a player like him on a team that I root for, in any sport. When I turn on a game, I just never know if it's going to be a mind-blowing performance. I mean look at last night's Laker's game. I almost skipped it, figured it'd be a pretty easy bounce back win, and I was busy. But I put it on DVR and watched it when I found time. And what a killer game - those three blocks by John Wall were spectacular. To see the man come into the game and dominate it, just playing a level above the marquee athletes in the world, that's not something that's been a boring motif in my sports fandom. And this happened in an early-season game against scrubs, an easily skippable event. /r/nba barely noticed the game was on, much less the highlights. I, for one, am immensely grateful that I get a chance to tune into the John Wall block party on a regular basis. I hope he plays his entire career with the Wizards and has his jersey hanging from the rafters the day after he calls it quits.

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John Wall is posting a higher win share per 48(.134) than Russell Westbrook(.105)

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How are Win Shares calculated? I don't know; do you? Unless you can follow the way a stat is calculated, there is absolutely no way to know what it represents.

Inasmuch as neither of us has any idea of how the calculation is done, you might as well say "John Wall's play is worth more 25% trips around the moon than Russell Westbrook's! Great, huh?"

As to their actual play so far this season, well first off I'm more interested in how Wall is doing compared to himself last year than how he's doing compared Westbrook this year. Given that he started off very poorly, John is coming back over the last few games. Essentially, his scoring effectiveness is down a bit from last year -- fewer points on the same usage -- but it's coming back. & you can say the same thing about the rest of his game considered as a whole -- slightly down from last year but climbing back.

Westbrook on the other hand is way way off what he did last year in two areas that are key for him: scoring (especially) & rebounding. As could have been expected, & as I predicted would happen, adding Melo & Paul George has made OKC a worse team. I expect a major meltdown out there in Oklahoma some time in the next month, b/c they aren't going to improve -- at least not much.

It's worth noting, btw, that losing Melo has made the Knicks a much better team, & losing Paul George doesn't look to have hurt the Pacers (what is hurting them, however, is that they don't have a single player who can play SG at even an average level! They badly need Glenn Robinson back).

Edit: I forgot to mention that although Westbrook is way off last year's production, he's still way above average &, up to now at least, a bit more effective than John (but... as I said, game by game, John Wall is returning to form).

[Kanyewest]

John Wall is posting a higher win share per 48(.134) than Russell Westbrook(.105)

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How are Win Shares calculated? I don't know; do you? Unless you can follow the way a stat is calculated, there is absolutely no way to know what it represents.

Inasmuch as neither of us has any idea of how the calculation is done, you might as well say "John Wall's play is worth more 25% trips around the moon than Russell Westbrook's! Great, huh?"

As to their actual play so far this season, well first off I'm more interested in how Wall is doing compared to himself last year than how he's doing compared Westbrook this year. Given that he started off very poorly, John is coming back over the last few games. Essentially, his scoring effectiveness is down a bit from last year -- fewer points on the same usage -- but it's coming back. & you can say the same thing about the rest of his game considered as a whole -- slightly down from last year but climbing back.

Westbrook on the other hand is way way off what he did last year in two areas that are key for him: scoring (especially) & rebounding. As could have been expected, & as I predicted would happen, adding Melo & Paul George has made OKC a worse team. I expect a major meltdown out there in Oklahoma some time in the next month, b/c they aren't going to improve -- at least not much.

It's worth noting, btw, that losing Melo has made the Knicks a much better team, & losing Paul George doesn't look to have hurt the Pacers (what is hurting them, however, is that they don't have a single player who can play SG at even an average level! They badly need Glenn Robinson back).

Edit: I forgot to mention that although Westbrook is way off last year's production, he's still way above average &, up to now at least, a bit more effective than John (but... as I said, game by game, John Wall is returning to form).

Hey, I thought you would like win share per 48, it does have Otto Porter as the best player of the team.

I was prompted to search for the win share per 48 after this tweet.

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Anyways the things that Wall has done better than Westbrook include

- True shooting percentage (51.5% compared to 48.2%)
- Assist to turnover ratio
- Blocks per game
- Free throw percentage (72% compared to 58 %) and Wall has been getting to the line more.
- Offensive rating (108 compared to 99)

What Westbrook has going for him
- 9 rebounds per game is still ridiculous
- Melo/George are not as good as Beal/Porter
- A 98 DRTG compared to a 106 by Wall

[Shanghai Kid]

In looking at it, it looks like John's advanced numbers are getting a little better each game. His TS% was at 48 at one point, now it's close to 52. And his DPBM is no longer in the negative. His offensive ratintg an defensive rating on NBA.com are both better then last year.

He's actually at a career high in assist to turnover ratio and he's also getting 1.3 blocks per game which is crazy for a point guard. He's actually leading all guards in both assists per game and blocks per game. He was 2nd in the league in steals last year but is behind on that this season.

I think it's a great sign that we all perceive him to be having a poor start to the season but that he could easily still turn this into a career best season pretty quickly.

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Hey, I thought you would like win share per 48, it does have Otto Porter as the best player of the team.

Otto is the best player on the team, without a doubt. &, what's great, he has time/room to develop. True of Beal as well, both guys being 24 years old

...the things that Wall has done better than Westbrook include

- True shooting percentage (51.5% compared to 48.2%)
- Assist to turnover ratio
- Blocks per game
- Free throw percentage (72% compared to 58 %) and Wall has been getting to the line more.
- Offensive rating (108 compared to 99)

What Westbrook has going for him
- 9 rebounds per game is still ridiculous
- Melo/George are not as good as Beal/Porter
- A 98 DRTG compared to a 106 by Wall

John has never played at a level approaching Westbrook's 3 last seasons. This season they're pretty close. Wall's numbers have been improving game by game for the last week+, while OKC is a complete dumpster fire. It would be no surprise were Wall to have a better year than Westbrook.

[Kanyewest]

Hey, I thought you would like win share per 48, it does have Otto Porter as the best player of the team.

Otto is the best player on the team, without a doubt. &, what's great, he has time/room to develop. True of Beal as well, both guys being 24 years old

...the things that Wall has done better than Westbrook include

- True shooting percentage (51.5% compared to 48.2%)
- Assist to turnover ratio
- Blocks per game
- Free throw percentage (72% compared to 58 %) and Wall has been getting to the line more.
- Offensive rating (108 compared to 99)

What Westbrook has going for him
- 9 rebounds per game is still ridiculous
- Melo/George are not as good as Beal/Porter
- A 98 DRTG compared to a 106 by Wall

John has never played at a level approaching Westbrook's 3 last seasons. This season they're pretty close. Wall's numbers have been improving game by game for the last week+, while OKC is a complete dumpster fire. It would be no surprise were Wall to have a better year than Westbrook.

Yeah, Wall has a long way to go to reach Westbrook's peak but for now I'm saying that Wall is having a better season than Westbrook.

In fact, Irving Jackson, and Walker are having better seasons but this is the John Wall appreciation thread. For now, Wall is still playing like a top 6 point guard.

[deneem4]

Hey, I thought you would like win share per 48, it does have Otto Porter as the best player of the team.

Otto is the best player on the team, without a doubt. &, what's great, he has time/room to develop. True of Beal as well, both guys being 24 years old

...the things that Wall has done better than Westbrook include

- True shooting percentage (51.5% compared to 48.2%)
- Assist to turnover ratio
- Blocks per game
- Free throw percentage (72% compared to 58 %) and Wall has been getting to the line more.
- Offensive rating (108 compared to 99)

What Westbrook has going for him
- 9 rebounds per game is still ridiculous
- Melo/George are not as good as Beal/Porter
- A 98 DRTG compared to a 106 by Wall

John has never played at a level approaching Westbrook's 3 last seasons. This season they're pretty close. Wall's numbers have been improving game by game for the last week+, while OKC is a complete dumpster fire. It would be no surprise were Wall to have a better year than Westbrook.

Yeah, Wall has a long way to go to reach Westbrook's peak but for now I'm saying that Wall is having a better season than Westbrook.

In fact, Irving Jackson, and Walker are having better seasons but this is the John Wall appreciation thread. For now, Wall is still playing like a top 6 point guard.

Give wall Steven Adams he could reach Westbrook peak in a momth

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...more of that "true believer" stuff.

[tontoz]

As badly as Wall has played his TS and ortg are almost identical to last season. If he would just stop taking those pullup 2s without anyone else touching the ball his efficiency would be respectable.

[nate33]

As badly as Wall has played his TS and ortg are almost identical to last season. If he would just stop taking those pullup 2s without anyone else touching the ball his efficiency would be respectable.

He seems to have reduced the frequency of those shots these past few games.

[Wizardspride]

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