Political Roundtable Part XIX

[stilldropin20]

Speaking of stupid news, look at this stupid headline:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/27/one-in-five-americans-want-the-second-amendment-to-be-repealed-national-survey-finds/?utm_term=.188c914a5aac

Never mind the really amazing findings of the poll:

"Beyond that, the poll showed that a plurality of Americans do not see the Second Amendment as something set in stone. Forty-six percent said they favored modifying the Second Amendment to allow for stricter regulations, compared with 39 percent who were opposed."

So is free speech next? Not set in stone after all. You know because like 55% of the country disagrees with your dumb liberal azz. So you may as well just shut them up.


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Of all people...and I gotta throw Camac in there with you ....should look at that post ....you just made ....every single day ....and tell yourself ....you will not be that guy ...again...today. Try it. I’m not promising that It will make you happier. But it might.


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[montestewart]

"Fake News" is not a definitive term, zonkerthebrainless. The term is not objective, so your definition of it means diddly. As a matter of fact, you're confusing fake news with propaganda; they are NOT one and the same.

I view fake news as bull, real or imaginary. If Trump had bits of raisins in his stool this morning, and CNN reported on it, that's fake news.

Information of little to no value is not newsworthy. I don't care if Trump had sex with a hooker or a pornstar...he's a rich, powerful douchebag from New York. I expect that type of behavior from him.

jfc who do you think this broad definition of 'fake news' actually serves? Trump literally uses the term to roundly decry all news he doesn't like, and you're supporting him on this!

Fake news = stories not grounded in fact.

It's pretty damn simple, but you still haven't figured out that Hillary > Trump, so I can see why this is difficult for you.

STFU. I know it's hard for you to take hillary's unabridged dictionary out of your mouth, but try.

Come on TGW, you know where the line is.

You guys aren't going to agree on Clinton. Don't turn it into a bunch of name calling. At least try to be clever. We could use a little levity.

Re "fake news," all news isn't of equal importance, but in political opposition, it's all fair game. Somehow conservatives turned Obama's tan suit and taste for mustard into political issues. That's politics.

Trump's affairs, even if entirely consensual, are YUGE compared to a tan suit, and coverage of them 1) casts negatively on his Christian, evangelical, fundamentalist (or whatever self-righteously superior label they wrap themselves in) supporters, 2) these repeated sexual scandals more generally cast negatively on the republican/Conservative self-righteousness displayed in the Hunt for Bill Clinton, 3) the relentless march of Trump sex life factoids keeps making the Moscow Golden Showers story--once routinely offered as proof that the Steele Dossier had to be a hoax--seem more and more plausible, thus making the rest of the dossier seem increasingly plausible, and 4) there are allegations of campaign finance irregularities.

That's four different distinct angles I can think of to support the claim of "newsworthy." Maybe I'm missing some other reasons. I'm sure CNN or whichever broadcast (I didn't watch it, I can barely make time for Wizards games) was going for the titillation factor and ratings, counting on the same voyeuristic fascination that got Trump so much free publicity and coverage in the first place. He's good for ratings.

Maybe not as important as a host of other stories, but subjectively frivolous news must be distinguished from FAKE NEWS. FAKE NEWS is Emma Gonzalez ripping up the Constitution: not facts organized and presented in furtherance of an agenda, but facts fabricated in furtherance of an agenda.

[Wizardspride]

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[gtn130]

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And the Seth Rich thing is a great example of actual fake news

[stilldropin20]

jfc who do you think this broad definition of 'fake news' actually serves? Trump literally uses the term to roundly decry all news he doesn't like, and you're supporting him on this!

Fake news = stories not grounded in fact.

It's pretty damn simple, but you still haven't figured out that Hillary > Trump, so I can see why this is difficult for you.

STFU. I know it's hard for you to take hillary's unabridged dictionary out of your mouth, but try.

Come on TGW, you know where the line is.

You guys aren't going to agree on Clinton. Don't turn it into a bunch of name calling. At least try to be clever. We could use a little levity.

Re "fake news," all news isn't of equal importance, but in political opposition, it's all fair game. Somehow conservatives turned Obama's tan suit and taste for mustard into political issues. That's politics.

Trump's affairs, even if entirely consensual, are YUGE compared to a tan suit, and coverage of them 1) casts negatively on his Christian, evangelical, fundamentalist (or whatever self-righteously superior label they wrap themselves in) supporters, 2) these repeated sexual scandals more generally cast negatively on the republican/Conservative self-righteousness displayed in the Hunt for Bill Clinton, 3) the relentless march of Trump sex life factoids keeps making the Moscow Golden Showers story--once routinely offered as proof that the Steele Dossier had to be a hoax--seem more and more plausible, thus making the rest of the dossier seem increasingly plausible, and 4) there are allegations of campaign finance irregularities.

That's four different distinct angles I can think of to support the claim of "newsworthy." Maybe I'm missing some other reasons. I'm sure CNN or whichever broadcast (I didn't watch it, I can barely make time for Wizards games) was going for the titillation factor and ratings, counting on the same voyeuristic fascination that got Trump so much free publicity and coverage in the first place. He's good for ratings.

Maybe not as important as a host of other stories, but subjectively frivolous news must be distinguished from FAKE NEWS. FAKE NEWS is Emma Gonzalez ripping up the Constitution: not facts organized and presented in furtherance of an agenda, but facts fabricated in furtherance of an agenda.

You have completely missed the point of “fake news. “ It’s not “news “ when it’s 91% negative coverage for 15 straight months.

That is what is better known as political propaganda. Again that’s not news. It’s propaganda. It’s political hackery. It’s having an agenda and calling pretending that it is news. Or calling yourself a “News network. “ That’s not news. That’s not the truth. That’s not fair and balanced. It’s one-sided political hackery. It’s a hit job. It’s a continuous, 24/7, 365 day hit job. It’s relentless. It has one goal in mind and that is to take down this president. Take him down. At all costs. That is the goal. And that’s why it’s fake. And that’s why they call it fake news.

Which is all fine and dandy. But just don’t pretend it’s news. It’s not news. It’s fake news.


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[dckingsfan]

While I'm a business man I have absolutely nothing against unions. They are the only protection working people have against large corporations. Right to work legislation is just another way to decapitate wages of the working class. In Ontario our teachers are among the highest paid in North America and they have establish there own pension fund through personal contributions and employer contributions. Many in the public sector are similar. Unionization is stronger in Canada than in the USA even companies that are nonunion provide similar benefit packages. I know in my business both my employees and myself contribute to a private pension plan. We have annual meetings on the returns and vote with the employees having the majority if we are happy with the plan.

When Foxconn planned a factory in Wisconsin which by the way was a fairy tale ( Foxconn had just built a $8 billion factory in Shenzhen for the same purpose) Scott Walker opened his fiscal wallet. Wisconsin's $3 billion incentive offer to Foxconn is "the largest gift ever by a state to a foreign company."

Latter in the year a GE plant in the neighboring district will close and move to Canada. Did Canada offer any new incentives the answer is no but they moved because the Canadian Export Bank guarantees payment on certain foreign sales. This isn't a special break for GE but Canadian policy. This was basically because of the Republicans and Ryan to change legislation on export bank.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/07/news/economy/ge-jobs-moving-to-canada-paul-ryan/index.html

Two different things - public and private unions. You just married the two. In the public sector (which is where the conversation started) the pensions are anything but transparent. Especially when you guarantee returns. IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE. It's bad when the public unions BUY the politicians. BAD. REALLY BAD. It leads to a reduction in services and increases in taxes for those that can't afford either.

Also, remember where the out of control spending on healthcare started. Really good idea to have a tax break for corporations to give to their (union) employees - and yet we are all carping about healthcare on this board.

Come on guys - think this through just a bit.

Well I know the teachers union, nursing union and a couple of others the return isn't guaranteed they have hired there own financial wizards to handle the portfolio and have done very well.

You might want to do a bit of research on that one... (unless you are talking Canada - then I wouldn't know).

There are some pensions where the money goes immediately to the pension fund and the government doesn't have its hand in the till. But in most local and state pensions - that just isn't the case. Just google underfunded pensions... Its just flat wrong.

[dckingsfan]

Well I know the teachers union, nursing union and a couple of others the return isn't guaranteed they have hired there own financial wizards to handle the portfolio and have done very well.

Google unfunded pension liabilities by state or unfunded pension liabilities by city... when you dig it gets really ugly.

or

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-state-pension-funding-ratios/

And if you look at Illinois, you can understand why someone might think the Ds aren't quite doing the job and might be fully in the pockets of the public unions.

[closg00]

Seriously, F**k Gov Scott Walker, Trump is a clownish buffoon, but this guy I truly despise.
https://www.thenation.com/article/scott-walker-is-dismantling-democracy-in-wisconsin/

[dckingsfan]

Seriously, F**k Gov Scott Walker, Trump is a clownish buffoon, but this guy I truly despise.
https://www.thenation.com/article/scott-walker-is-dismantling-democracy-in-wisconsin/

Yep, but they have a very fine financial footing

[CobraCommander]

Like I said last week....FAKE NEWS.

Who cares if it happened or not...some things are not worth reporting. CNN and CBS and USA Today spent countless hours and manpower covering stupid, low-brow, national inquirer worthy bull.

If any of the mainstream media thinks they actually damaged Trump's persona, they didn't. They actually emboldened his moronic pompom waiving lunatics (see stilladumbass' post and twitter for proof) and they reinforced the "fake news" narrrative that Trump cast on them.

Bunch of idiots. But I'm not surprised that CNN would stoop so low...they are ran by the producers of fear factor.

Sorry I didn’t read your post before I posted....you are 10000000% right... this actually is fake news. Trump is a billionaire that feels like he owns the world. His followers dont care what he does...and as long as it isn’t illegal i dont care how many women he slept with. He is not follow Bill Clinton and say he didnt sleep with those women under oath.

It's NOT Fake news.

Yes, the affair is whatever. That's on Trump and Daniels. The illegality stems from the payment of hush money and the alleged threatening of Daniels.

That aspect isn't fake news.

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

[Wizardspride]

Sorry I didn’t read your post before I posted....you are 10000000% right... this actually is fake news. Trump is a billionaire that feels like he owns the world. His followers dont care what he does...and as long as it isn’t illegal i dont care how many women he slept with. He is not follow Bill Clinton and say he didnt sleep with those women under oath.

It's NOT Fake news.

Yes, the affair is whatever. That's on Trump and Daniels. The illegality stems from the payment of hush money and the alleged threatening of Daniels.

That aspect isn't fake news.

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

Ok. I agree with this.

Especially the part about Obama lol

[cammac]

Two different things - public and private unions. You just married the two. In the public sector (which is where the conversation started) the pensions are anything but transparent. Especially when you guarantee returns. IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE. It's bad when the public unions BUY the politicians. BAD. REALLY BAD. It leads to a reduction in services and increases in taxes for those that can't afford either.

Also, remember where the out of control spending on healthcare started. Really good idea to have a tax break for corporations to give to their (union) employees - and yet we are all carping about healthcare on this board.

Come on guys - think this through just a bit.

Well I know the teachers union, nursing union and a couple of others the return isn't guaranteed they have hired there own financial wizards to handle the portfolio and have done very well.

You might want to do a bit of research on that one... (unless you are talking Canada - then I wouldn't know).

There are some pensions where the money goes immediately to the pension fund and the government doesn't have its hand in the till. But in most local and state pensions - that just isn't the case. Just google underfunded pensions... Its just flat wrong.

CANADA

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Good. **** those guys that pushed this conspiracy.

[Kanyewest]

Sorry I didn’t read your post before I posted....you are 10000000% right... this actually is fake news. Trump is a billionaire that feels like he owns the world. His followers dont care what he does...and as long as it isn’t illegal i dont care how many women he slept with. He is not follow Bill Clinton and say he didnt sleep with those women under oath.

It's NOT Fake news.

Yes, the affair is whatever. That's on Trump and Daniels. The illegality stems from the payment of hush money and the alleged threatening of Daniels.

That aspect isn't fake news.

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

This is still news other than the fact that Trump had consensual sex with a porn star.

1) Trump's lawyer giving money on behalf of Trump is illegal given the timing of the hush money which was shortly before the election. The amount given is well over the campaign limits. John Edwards got in trouble for the same thing in the Democratic Primary back in the 2007 Democratic primaries.

2) The fact that Trump may have used intimidation to silence Stormy Daniels; the fact that someone threatened Stormy Daniels and her child at the daycare. Of course, still has to be qualified with evidence, but this could be seen as damaging.

3) If Stormy Daniels non-disclosure agreement is null and void, will others follow suit and and challenge their respective NDAs or if they can also corroborate the fact that they were intimidated by Donald Trump and his lawyers.

4) The lawyer had coordinated e-mails with his title as lead counsel to the Trump Organization, so him donating for his friend sounds like in BS.

You are right that perhaps Trump will not be punished for these findings but it could be damaging to his public perception. Then again, I'm not sure if this will stop many of his supporter from burying his head in the sand and at the same time people are not holding Trump feet to the fire as they would with Obama/Hillary Clinton.

[dckingsfan]

Well I know the teachers union, nursing union and a couple of others the return isn't guaranteed they have hired there own financial wizards to handle the portfolio and have done very well.

You might want to do a bit of research on that one... (unless you are talking Canada - then I wouldn't know).

There are some pensions where the money goes immediately to the pension fund and the government doesn't have its hand in the till. But in most local and state pensions - that just isn't the case. Just google underfunded pensions... Its just flat wrong.

CANADA

Ah, just don't know then... in the US it is pretty ugly...

[stilldropin20]

It's NOT Fake news.

Yes, the affair is whatever. That's on Trump and Daniels. The illegality stems from the payment of hush money and the alleged threatening of Daniels.

That aspect isn't fake news.

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

Ok. I agree with this.

Especially the part about Obama lol

yeah CNN never reported on any of this...let alone ran with it for 3 weeks straight weeks morning, noon, night, and then again into th ewees hours of the morning. no 60 minutes special. and fox barely reported on it. if ever. yet it was out there. and no one touched it. and frankly they shouldn't. Its obama's personal business. and we need to leave personal lives out of politics because as ive been saying. Choir boys haven't lived enough nor know enough to be president or even senator or representative. Anything really. choir boys suck!

but either way. no major news source even scantly reported on this. why CNN no run with this 24/7 for 3 weeks? Where was Bill Oreilly with the 60 minutes special seconds after a final 4 game vs Duke-Kansas?? lol. "Solhale, did you suck on President obama's schlong?" Did you do cocaine off of his schlong?" lol Where was it?? Why didn't the so called fake news fox pull some crap like that???

oh i know. Because it was complete low brow horse manure crap. a far cry from journalism. A joke. Worse than a joke. And down right cruel to do that to Obama's wife. Michele, Malia and Sasha were about Barron's age at the time these "news stories" were emerging. They should not have been subject to this crap and neither should have Malania and Barron. But CNN could just do one segment for even 20 minutes. Instead they ran with it 24/7 for 3 weeks and did a full on 60 minutes special airing it (seconds) after the Duke-kansas final 4 game ended. Wow!

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[Pointgod]

Sorry I didn’t read your post before I posted....you are 10000000% right... this actually is fake news. Trump is a billionaire that feels like he owns the world. His followers dont care what he does...and as long as it isn’t illegal i dont care how many women he slept with. He is not follow Bill Clinton and say he didnt sleep with those women under oath.

It's NOT Fake news.

Yes, the affair is whatever. That's on Trump and Daniels. The illegality stems from the payment of hush money and the alleged threatening of Daniels.

That aspect isn't fake news.

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

It matters because from a political perspective Trump is failing the moral values that Republican party and Evangelical Christians have set up. The Presidency used to mean something and after going from Obama, a President with no scandals, to a man that cheats on his pregnant wife and pays hush money it's demeaned the office of the President. The person you elect to President represents America and if you elect a scumbag like Trump, then America to the world is a country of scumbags, just the way it is.

From a legal perspective it matters because he used hush money to pay off Stormy Daniels and others. This is a violation of campaign finance laws and points to a bigger pattern of corruption and impropriety. You can't claim to want morals and values in your President then excuse illegal behavior. Make no mistake this is just one of the many corrupt and illegal things that Trump and his cabinet are doing. So yes this isn't fake news like some posters have claimed, it's relevant and the people have a right to know. Jesus the President is credibly accused of sexual assault.

[stilldropin20]

It's NOT Fake news.

Yes, the affair is whatever. That's on Trump and Daniels. The illegality stems from the payment of hush money and the alleged threatening of Daniels.

That aspect isn't fake news.

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

It matters because from a political perspective Trump is failing the moral values that Republican party and Evangelical Christians have set up. The Presidency used to mean something and after going from Obama, a President with no scandals, to a man that cheats on his pregnant wife and pays hush money it's demeaned the office of the President. The person you elect to President represents America and if you elect a scumbag like Trump, then America to the world is a country of scumbags, just the way it is.

From a legal perspective it matters because he used hush money to pay off Stormy Daniels and others. This is a violation of campaign finance laws and points to a bigger pattern of corruption and impropriety. You can't claim to want morals and values in your President then excuse illegal behavior. Make no mistake this is just one of the many corrupt and illegal things that Trump and his cabinet are doing. So yes this isn't fake news like some posters have claimed, it's relevant and the people have a right to know. Jesus the President is credibly accused of sexual assault.

i would love to put you in a room with cammac, gtn, and zonker and give you guys IQ tests. would any of you break 90?? I doubt it. Your stupidity aside, do you really think trump represents "family values." And you really think Obama was scandal free? nevermind. I know the answer.

[Pointgod]

But once again...who cares? You think they going to convict the president of the United States on the word of a porn star and a payment for hush money? I know she slept with him, you know he slept with her, the lawyer agrees with us and he gave her the money. As long as the lawyer said he did it for the president and that the president didnt know...AND he doesnt lie under oath about it...Trump is golden as far as POTUS goes...as husband to Melina goes...thats up for debate in the trump house hold. Honestly this isnt even the craziest thing trump has done this month.

Its like on the pile of crazy stuff trump has done...this is somewhere in the middle...but can you imagine if Obama had a porn star in his past LOL

Fox News and Sean Hannity would explode...Breitbarts corporate offices would go nuclear and Ann Coulter would kill her self...with the excitement. But naw don’t trip on this one...there is bigger and better stuff coming from Trump in April...quote me on that!

It matters because from a political perspective Trump is failing the moral values that Republican party and Evangelical Christians have set up. The Presidency used to mean something and after going from Obama, a President with no scandals, to a man that cheats on his pregnant wife and pays hush money it's demeaned the office of the President. The person you elect to President represents America and if you elect a scumbag like Trump, then America to the world is a country of scumbags, just the way it is.

From a legal perspective it matters because he used hush money to pay off Stormy Daniels and others. This is a violation of campaign finance laws and points to a bigger pattern of corruption and impropriety. You can't claim to want morals and values in your President then excuse illegal behavior. Make no mistake this is just one of the many corrupt and illegal things that Trump and his cabinet are doing. So yes this isn't fake news like some posters have claimed, it's relevant and the people have a right to know. Jesus the President is credibly accused of sexual assault.

i would love to put you in a room with cammac, gtn, and zonker and give you guys IQ tests. would any of you break 90?? I doubt it. Your stupidity aside, do you really think trump represents "family values." And you really think Obama was scandal free? nevermind. I know the answer.

Trump is a Republican. Republicans are the party of family values. If Republicans werent morally banktupt hypocrites they wouldnt support Trump.
You can shut the **** up now.

[stilldropin20]

It matters because from a political perspective Trump is failing the moral values that Republican party and Evangelical Christians have set up. The Presidency used to mean something and after going from Obama, a President with no scandals, to a man that cheats on his pregnant wife and pays hush money it's demeaned the office of the President. The person you elect to President represents America and if you elect a scumbag like Trump, then America to the world is a country of scumbags, just the way it is.

From a legal perspective it matters because he used hush money to pay off Stormy Daniels and others. This is a violation of campaign finance laws and points to a bigger pattern of corruption and impropriety. You can't claim to want morals and values in your President then excuse illegal behavior. Make no mistake this is just one of the many corrupt and illegal things that Trump and his cabinet are doing. So yes this isn't fake news like some posters have claimed, it's relevant and the people have a right to know. Jesus the President is credibly accused of sexual assault.

i would love to put you in a room with cammac, gtn, and zonker and give you guys IQ tests. would any of you break 90?? I doubt it. Your stupidity aside, do you really think trump represents "family values." And you really think Obama was scandal free? nevermind. I know the answer.

Trump is a Republican. Republicans are the party of family values. If Republicans werent morally banktupt hypocrites they wouldnt support Trump.
You can shut the **** up now.

yeah...see. this logic web. that you are attempting to weave. It exposes your thinking capacity. You wouldn't break 85, kiddo. and thats with google at your side and 3 lifelines.