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2024 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1081 » by DCZards » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:56 pm

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I asked this on the draft board, but who is the better prospect-Castle or Anthony Black. Got a couple of responses who prefered Black and I think one person said Castle.

I wasn't a fan of Black and I'm not a fan of Castle. Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.

Castle has more scoring potential than Smart…especially as a shot creator and finisher at the rim. Will likely also be a better playmaker.

Castle may be closer to Jrue Holiday (who he says he models his game after) than to Smart.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1082 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:02 pm

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I asked this on the draft board, but who is the better prospect-Castle or Anthony Black. Got a couple of responses who prefered Black and I think one person said Castle.

I wasn't a fan of Black and I'm not a fan of Castle. Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.

I think Castle = Smart analogy is pretty accurate. Smart might be a bit better defensively but that's far from certain.

The issue with Smart is that he never became that great of an NBA player because he only shot 33% from the 3-point line. If you project Castle to do the same, then, yeah, Castle will be somewhat underwhelming with the #2 pick in the draft - but not really a disaster either. (Remember, Smart was taken #6 in a similar drafting lacking in star talent outside of Embiid.)

The question is, how well will Castle shoot from 3? His performance during the combine suggest there is some upside there, but how much should one weigh performance in drills versus an actual competitive setting? Ultimately, predicting 3-ball accuracy is dicey at best. But if he hits the 3-ball, then he becomes a quality starter to be paired with a shot creating combo guard - a Jalen Suggs tier player. If I could get Jalen Suggs with the #2 pick in this draft, I'd be happy about it.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1083 » by Frichuela » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:44 pm

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TGW wrote:
doclinkin wrote:


I asked this on the draft board, but who is the better prospect-Castle or Anthony Black. Got a couple of responses who prefered Black and I think one person said Castle.

I wasn't a fan of Black and I'm not a fan of Castle. Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.

I think Castle = Smart analogy is pretty accurate. Smart might be a bit better defensively but that's far from certain.

The issue with Smart is that he never became that great of an NBA player because he only shot 33% from the 3-point line. If you project Castle to do the same, then, yeah, Castle will be somewhat underwhelming with the #2 pick in the draft - but not really a disaster either. (Remember, Smart was taken #6 in a similar drafting lacking in star talent outside of Embiid.)

The question is, how well will Castle shoot from 3? His performance during the combine suggest there is some upside there, but how much should one weigh performance in drills versus an actual competitive setting? Ultimately, predicting 3-ball accuracy is dicey at best. But if he hits the 3-ball, then he becomes a quality starter to be paired with a shot creating combo guard - a Jalen Suggs tier player. If I could get Jalen Suggs with the #2 pick in this draft, I'd be happy about it.


Absolutely. And his College stats compare quite decently to other freshmen who are successful defense-oriented guards in the NBA (Suggs, Holiday and Murray are included below). I did not include Smart as he was a sophomore.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=stephon-castle--jalen-suggs--dejounte-murray--jrue-holiday

If SAS is keen to move up for Risacher at #2 (French connecting with Wemby), I'll pull the trigger and trade for #4 (draft Castle) plus say the lowest of SAS and ATL 2025 1st.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1084 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:46 pm

If we were able make moves to turn the #2 pick into Holland & Castle, I would be ecstatic.
If the move also cost us our #26 pick, I would still be satisfied.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1085 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:50 pm

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closg00 wrote:Interesting stats there^


Are they?

Can’t really compare NCAA players to an 18/19 year old playing in French pro A/Eurocup.


It’s an interesting stat full-stop, no qualifiers needed, we all know where he is playing.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1086 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 3, 2024 5:49 pm

TGW wrote:...Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.

Marcus Smart went #6 in the 2014 draft. Do you think that, over time, the list of players who went at #2 has been better than the list of players that went at #6?

For that matter, how about the list of players who went at 4? Or 5? Better than guys picked at 6?

If Front Offices could do what people sometimes think they can do, we would let them run the entire world!

For that matter, how often is the #1 pick the best player out of a draft?

From 2004-2023 -- 20 years -- I'd say that's happened no more than 4 times.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1087 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 3, 2024 5:53 pm

DCZards wrote:...Castle may be closer to Jrue Holiday (who he says he models his game after) than to Smart.

That's my comp for him; I'm glad to hear that he emulates Holiday.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1088 » by 80sballboy » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:12 pm

ESPN+ (Jeremy Woo) on top NBA Prospects and their comparisons
2024 NBA draft: Player comps for all 14 projected lottery picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40257447/2024-nba-draft-player-comps-all-14-projected-lottery-picks

Which NBA player does center Donovan Clingan's game most compare to?

Jeremy Woo, ESPN

Coming up with player comparisons for 2024 NBA draft prospects can be a useful exercise, if done responsibly. It's easy to make hyperbolic claims about ceiling and potential, or harp on a player's downside, but the eventual outcome for a career tends to be somewhere in the middle. Few players reach the high end of their perceived upside, and those who bust might wind up well below what modest expectations can be set.

The real utility in this exercise ahead of the two-day draft June 26-27 is understanding what a prospect's role might look like down the line, what level of growth it might take for him to reach a great outcome, and how much risk there is if things don't pan out the way one hopes. Few true one-to-one comparisons wind up being accurate, but this type of thought process can help in player evaluation from a conceptual standpoint, and in envisioning how a prospect's profile might fit a certain team.




Zaccharie Risacher, SF, Bourg (France)
Top 100 rank: No. 1 | Mock draft projection: No. 1 to Atlanta Hawks

High end: Khris Middleton with more defense

Low end: Trey Murphy III


Risacher brings a lot to the court as an athletic, 3-and-D wing with room to expand his game on both ends. While not likely to become a No. 1 option on offense, as he gets more comfortable playing off multiple dribbles and develops as a shooter, it's easy to see him becoming a viable wing scorer a la Middleton, who has had an outstanding run in Milwaukee, including a title in 2021.

Risacher should also offer more defensively, where he has plus-lateral agility and should be switchable. There's a high level of two-way upside here if one can get past the limited shot-creation ability. Floor-wise, provided Risacher continues to improve as a shooter, you can envision him functioning like Murphy currently does for New Orleans: bringing excellent size and athleticism coupled with quality floor-spacing and defense, but without creating a ton of offense for himself or taking many dribbles.


Alex Sarr, PF/C, Perth (Australia)
Top 100 rank: No. 2 | Mock draft projection: No. 2 to Washington Wizards

High end: Jaren Jackson Jr.

Low end: Nic Claxton

The blueprint for Sarr's role at the next level is something like Jackson, who gives Memphis high-quality spacing and elite paint protection while toggling between power forward and center. Sarr has a long way to go as a shooter to get to Jackson's level, but that ceiling is within reach for him, with a huge, mobile frame at 7-foot-1 that makes him an excellent long-term prospect.

If he doesn't develop at that rate, Sarr could still be a solid contributor along the lines of Claxton, who has fashioned himself into a useful defensive-minded role after five seasons with the Nets but hasn't taken a major leap on the offensive end.


Donovan Clingan, C, UConn
Top 100 rank: 3 | Mock draft projection: No. 7 to Portland Trail Blazers

High end: Rudy Gobert and late-career Brook Lopez

Low end: Walker Kessler


Clingan's advocates around the NBA view him as a potential top-flight defensive center in the realm of Gobert, presuming he can stay healthy and continue to improve his body. His elite measurables, at 7-foot-3 in shoes with a nearly 7-foot-7 wingspan, give him a unique physical presence. Even if he doesn't reach those heights on defense, Clingan projects to be a more versatile offensive player than Gobert, and if his 3-point shot develops, he could function somewhat like Lopez, who turned himself into a quality floor-spacer and top defensive center midway through his 16-year career.

At worst, it feels like Clingan should end up somewhere around where Kessler is right now (and granted, after just two seasons, his development is far from over), as a huge defensive big who can impact the game in drop coverage and protect the paint.


Reed Sheppard, PG/SG, Kentucky
Top 100 rank: 4 | Mock draft projection: No. 3 to Houston Rockets

High end: Steve Nash

Low end: Payton Pritchard

Nash is certainly a lofty name to start with for Sheppard, but it reflects the optimism from scouts that has helped him boost his draft stock as a likely top-five pick. While his role at Kentucky didn't let him play point guard full-time, the upside lies in Sheppard's ability to make plays in transition, knock down shots and develop half-court creation.

His knack for making the right play and impressive shooting splits give him a chance to outkick expectations. Of course, it's always hard to bank on a star-level outcome, but Sheppard should be able to find a role as a top bench player at worst thanks to his shooting and basketball IQ.


Matas Buzelis, SF/PF, G League Ignite
Top 100 rank: 5 | Mock draft projection: No. 5 to Detroit Pistons

High end: Chandler Parsons

Low end: Kyle Anderson

Buzelis is an interesting player to project at this point in his career, with a well-rounded base set of skills at his size (6-foot-10, 197 pounds). If he can make strides with his shooting and ball skills, he could go the route of a bigger wing like Parsons, and potentially offer more on the defensive end, where he has exhibited prowess blocking shots.

Buzelis fits a pretty safe mold as a skilled combo forward, and if he doesn't make big strides as a scorer, he should still have a solid career as a rotation player because of his versatility, similar to what Anderson has carved out for himself.


Stephon Castle, PG/SG, UConn
Top 100 rank: 6 | Mock draft projection: No. 4 to San Antonio Spurs

High end: Andre Iguodala (Golden State version)

Low end: Justise Winslow

While Castle doesn't have the same quick-twitch athleticism of early-career Iguodala, the role the latter played in Golden State as a multi-positional stopper and secondary playmaker lays a good blueprint for the type of value Castle could provide in the NBA. Castle hopes to play point guard full-time, and if that transition proves successful, that probably changes the parameters for comparison. If he remains in more of a versatile role, he could fall somewhere on this spectrum, with a name like Winslow illustrating some of the downside if he doesn't make strides on the offensive end.



Rob Dillingham, PG, Kentucky
Top 100 rank: 7 | Mock draft projection: No. 6 to Charlotte Hornets

High end: Darius Garland

Low end: Bones Hyland

Dillingham's creative playmaking and long-distance shooting has drawn comparisons to players such as Garland and Trae Young, but scouts acknowledge the wide range of outcomes for guards his size (6-foot-2, 164 pounds) in the NBA. If he makes a quick adjustment and proves capable of handling starting minutes, he has the shiftiness and scoring ability to be a potent scorer and playmaker.

If things go the other direction, Dillingham may wind up as more of a microwave option off the bench, which could lead to some longevity, but isn't what teams are hoping for with a top-10 pick.


Dalton Knecht, SF, Tennessee
Top 100 rank: 8 | Mock draft projection: No. 9 to Memphis Grizzlies

High end: Bojan Bogdanovic

Low end: Max Strus

Knecht, 23, was a three-level scorer in college and has a chance to translate that into a long-term NBA scoring role. Finding the longevity of a similar type of scorer in Bogdanovic, who was also an older rookie after coming over from Europe, would be a terrific outcome and justify his likely status in the lottery.

If Knecht doesn't score quite well enough to help anchor an NBA offense, he could still find success in a supporting role similar to what Strus has done over the past few seasons.


Nikola Topic, PG, Mega MIS (Adriatic League)
Top 100 rank: 9 | Mock draft projection: No. 10 to Utah Jazz

High end: Josh Giddey

Low end: Tomas Satoransky

Topic enters the league further along than Giddey in terms of on-ball prowess, having demonstrated that this season in Serbia. He might wind up somewhere along the same vein, as a jumbo playmaking guard with the size to fit into a variety of lineups.

While Topic is a good free throw shooter and highly efficient in the paint, he faces some of the same questions as Giddey did about his long-range shooting, but his feel for the game makes him a good bet to have a solid NBA career regardless.


Tidjane Salaun, PF, Cholet (France)
Top 100 rank: 10 | Mock draft projection: No. 8 to San Antonio Spurs

High end: Jerami Grant and Kyle Kuzma

Low end: Maurice Harkless


While still at a very early stage of his development, the 18-year-old Salaun has demonstrated growth this season and has an intriguing mix of physical skills and two-way potential. He can be an effective scorer and floor-spacer at both forward spots, and leans toward a perimeter-oriented role despite having the size to defend bigs.

His flashes on both ends of the floor portend upside in the mold of a Grant or Kuzma. But there's a ways to go here, and while he seems to be on a positive developmental trajectory, without leaps in the skill and feel departments, Salaun could end up as more of a back-end rotation player rather than a starter.


Ron Holland, SF, G League Ignite
Top 100 rank: 11 | Mock draft projection: No. 11 to Chicago Bulls

High end: RJ Barrett

Low end: Josh Jackson

Holland has always been a productive player, earning him accolades in high school, but the questions about his game center on how his shooting, efficiency and decision-making will translate in the NBA. He's a physically mature player who will have to find an edge in other ways, similar to the adjustment Barrett continues to face five seasons into his NBA career. Jackson was similarly viewed as a prospect with a high-floor skill set, but never made major strides offensively after landing in the NBA.

It's probably lofty to expect a huge efficiency jump from Holland, but he'll have to find the right balance of scoring and playmaking, and likely get used to not having the ball in his hands as much.


Cody Williams, SG/SF, Colorado
Top 100 rank: 12 | Mock draft projection: No. 14 to Portland Trail Blazers

High end: Otto Porter Jr.

Low end: Troy Brown Jr.

The inconsistent nature of Williams' season in Boulder makes him a tricky player to project, but the long-term idea is that he can offer versatility on both sides of the floor at his size on the wing. He needs to get stronger and make significant strides as a shooter and ball handler, but the long-term concept could be something like Porter, who played more on the ball at Georgetown and needed multiple NBA seasons to become a reliable 3-point shooter.

If Williams can be consistent from deep, make plays when needed and defend across the perimeter at a high level, he can be an indispensable type of player long-term. But without becoming more consistent, adding strength and improving his skill level, the downside might be that he ends up more of a bench player.

Devin Carter, PG/SG, Providence
Top 100 rank: 13 | Mock draft projection: No. 12 to Oklahoma City Thunder

High end: Marcus Smart

Low end: De'Anthony Melton

Carter's tenacious defense, physical style and plus length at both guard spots call to mind players such as Smart and Melton. The variety of things he can do creates a pretty solid floor, and teams value his reliability and view him as a safe option. The upside lies in whether he can play point guard and run a team for long stretches like Smart, giving him extra lineup versatility.

If not, he could still succeed in a Melton-like role, as more of an off-ball guard who defends the point of attack, makes enough shots to space the floor adequately and can function as more of a secondary handler.


Ja'Kobe Walter, SG/SF, Baylor
Top 100 rank: 14 | Mock draft projection: No. 13 to Sacramento Kings

High end: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Low end: Gary Trent Jr.

Walter profiles as more of a true two-guard due to his size (6-foot-5, 198 pounds), but has the makings of a prototypical off-ball wing who can knock down shots and defend his position well enough to stay on the floor. Most NBA scouts expect his 3-point shooting (34.6% on 6.3 attempts last season) to improve over time, and he's shown the ability to make shots off movement. His plus length (6-foot-9.25 wingspan) helps him project out adequately on defense.

He's not much of an on-ball creator yet, but should be able to provide enough spacing and potential to expand his skills. There's a relatively safe pathway for him to help someone, but the upside might be more like that of a reliable 3-and-D wing such as Caldwell-Pope.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1089 » by AFM » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:24 pm

Reed Sheppard, PG/SG, Kentucky
Top 100 rank: 4 | Mock draft projection: No. 3 to Houston Rockets

High end: Steve Nash

Low end: Payton Pritchard


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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1090 » by doclinkin » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:44 pm

nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:
I asked this on the draft board, but who is the better prospect-Castle or Anthony Black. Got a couple of responses who preferred Black and I think one person said Castle.

I wasn't a fan of Black and I'm not a fan of Castle. Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.

I think Castle = Smart analogy is pretty accurate. Smart might be a bit better defensively but that's far from certain.

The issue with Smart is that he never became that great of an NBA player because he only shot 33% from the 3-point line. If you project Castle to do the same, then, yeah, Castle will be somewhat underwhelming with the #2 pick in the draft - but not really a disaster either. (Remember, Smart was taken #6 in a similar drafting lacking in star talent outside of Embiid.)

The question is, how well will Castle shoot from 3? His performance during the combine suggest there is some upside there, but how much should one weigh performance in drills versus an actual competitive setting? Ultimately, predicting 3-ball accuracy is dicey at best.


If Deni's development says anything, and if we didn't purge the shooting coaches, we have a decent team in place to improve Castle's accuracy from outside. You get the sense he'd be a good match for Coach Keefe's style, hardnosed and personable. I liked Shelvin Mack's assessment that from what he saw in Georgia school ball, Castle could play something of a Malcolm Brogdon role on offense in the NBA. Albeit a more athletic version. A lot of work to be done before then: Brogdon is a smooth shooting rifleman though, on decent volume from 3. Castle has a ways to go. But as a sturdy ballhandler who is unaffected by contact, I can see some parallels.

I don't hate the Marcus Smart comparison on defense, but I think Castle will prove to be a better boardsman and more versatile in general. Able to guard up, from 1-4 as he hits the training room. He's taller and longer than most guards, able to rebound outside of his area, challenge tall forwards on the outside, bang on the interior. This will only improve as he gets bigger. He played larger than his size, often taking on the front court PF duties for the slighter framed Alex Karaban. And Castle's going to bulk a bit before he is done. He just has the sort of frame that will easily add strength. His power is in his legs right now but he has the structure to put on that Jimmy Butler type of muscle. I like Castle's aptitude to finish after contact and willingness to get inside and mix it up.

I wouldn't get hung up on #1 #2 this year. Scouts say there is little separation at the top. That any player picked 1-5 this year is basically equivalent to players 6-12 in most year.

A taller Marcus Smart, able to guard 1-4, with better rebounding, and a chance at better shooting -- you wouldn't take that player #5-#10 most years? That's where Smart and Black went. Head-to-head I take Castle over Anthony Black on competitiveness alone. Strength. Focus. Toughness. And with untapped upside as he grows into his frame. And of course if his shooting improves. If, if, if, I know. But in big moments he did hit big shots, so there's flashes there.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1091 » by J-Ves » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:00 pm

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Cody Williams, SG/SF, Colorado
Top 100 rank: 12 | Mock draft projection: No. 14 to Portland Trail Blazers

High end: Otto Porter Jr.

Low end: Troy Brown Jr.



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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1092 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:09 pm

J-Ves wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
Cody Williams, SG/SF, Colorado
Top 100 rank: 12 | Mock draft projection: No. 14 to Portland Trail Blazers

High end: Otto Porter Jr.

Low end: Troy Brown Jr.



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Those are some pretty bad comparisons. Porter and Troy Brown were unusually good rebounders for their position. Williams so far has been a horrifically bad rebounder.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1093 » by Frichuela » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:22 pm

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nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:
I asked this on the draft board, but who is the better prospect-Castle or Anthony Black. Got a couple of responses who preferred Black and I think one person said Castle.

I wasn't a fan of Black and I'm not a fan of Castle. Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.

I think Castle = Smart analogy is pretty accurate. Smart might be a bit better defensively but that's far from certain.

The issue with Smart is that he never became that great of an NBA player because he only shot 33% from the 3-point line. If you project Castle to do the same, then, yeah, Castle will be somewhat underwhelming with the #2 pick in the draft - but not really a disaster either. (Remember, Smart was taken #6 in a similar drafting lacking in star talent outside of Embiid.)

The question is, how well will Castle shoot from 3? His performance during the combine suggest there is some upside there, but how much should one weigh performance in drills versus an actual competitive setting? Ultimately, predicting 3-ball accuracy is dicey at best.


If Deni's development says anything, and if we didn't purge the shooting coaches, we have a decent team in place to improve Castle's accuracy from outside. You get the sense he'd be a good match for Coach Keefe's style, hardnosed and personable. I liked Shelvin Mack's assessment that from what he saw in Georgia school ball, Castle could play something of a Malcolm Brogdon role on offense in the NBA. Albeit a more athletic version. A lot of work to be done before then: Brogdon is a smooth shooting rifleman though, on decent volume from 3. Castle has a ways to go. But as a sturdy ballhandler who is unaffected by contact, I can see some parallels.

I don't hate the Marcus Smart comparison on defense, but I think Castle will prove to be a better boardsman and more versatile in general. Able to guard up, from 1-4 as he hits the training room. He's taller and longer than most guards, able to rebound outside of his area, challenge tall forwards on the outside, bang on the interior. This will only improve as he gets bigger. He played larger than his size, often taking on the front court PF duties for the slighter framed Alex Karaban. And Castle's going to bulk a bit before he is done. He just has the sort of frame that will easily add strength. His power is in his legs right now but he has the structure to put on that Jimmy Butler type of muscle. I like Castle's aptitude to finish after contact and willingness to get inside and mix it up.

I wouldn't get hung up on #1 #2 this year. Scouts say there is little separation at the top. That any player picked 1-5 this year is basically equivalent to players 6-12 in most year.

A taller Marcus Smart, able to guard 1-4, with better rebounding, and a chance at better shooting -- you wouldn't take that player #5-#10 most years? That's where Smart and Black went. Head-to-head I take Castle over Anthony Black on competitiveness alone. Strength. Focus. Toughness. And with untapped upside as he grows into his frame. And of course if his shooting improves. If, if, if, I know. But in big moments he did hit big shots, so there's flashes there.


I agree. Count me in. Another comparison to Castle is Cason Wallace who had an excellent rookie season for OKC. But Castle is 3 inches taller...

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=stephon-castle--cason-wallace

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1094 » by The Consiglieri » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:52 pm

NatP4 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
prime1time wrote:How do we make sense of the fact that people are arguing that Risacher can't become better at creating on ball while also having just witnessed the emergence of Deni Avdija after 3 years lackluster on ball play? Imo, Risacher is better at on ball creation as a prospect than Avdija was.


I assume your misremembering Deni as a prospect?

Deni was always a point forward with solid ballhandling. He was a slasher but the jumper needed work and it was his swing skill. That sounds nothing like Risacher.


Youngest MVP in Israeli league history.

Per36 Deni averaged: 15 points 7.8 rebounds 3.3 assists 1.1 steals 1.1 blocks 2.6 turnovers with a 59.1% TS in 59 total games, 26 games in Euroleague.

People forget how good of a prospect Deni was.


He was top 4-6 on most boards that I remember going in the last like 4-6 months before the draft. He was very much in keeping w/that theory that Sheppard just took whomever was the best guy left on agg mock drafts, and for once it actually worked with Deni in part because he was projected to go 2-4 picks before we took him inside the top 10. Good for us :).
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1095 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:15 pm

If you forced me to take any UConn players and not the head coach, I'd take Donovan Clingan over Stephon Castle. Clingan plays elite defense at a position where defense really matters. His impact will be larger even if his offensive role is never significant.

I like guards who can score. Wings who are versatile and centers that can defend.

Point guards that don't have a clear path to scoring efficiently don't start at the position very long.

In analyzing Castle's shot, it's not a total remake job... in fact it looks ok although he tends to lean back on his jumper. His shot is alot like John Wall's coming out. Like John, Castle appears far more comfortable in the mid-range area although he's not necessarily efficient there either.

I'm more concerned about what does he do at a high level offensively? I guess you'd rate his finishing ability pretty high as he has a body ready made for contact. His handle isn't elite but its solid. He makes good reads but I would't say he's a special passer. My question is also with his pace which is huge for a PG. He played very methodically when the ball was in his hands. Not sure that flies in the 24 sec shot clock era.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1096 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:17 pm

nate33 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
Cody Williams, SG/SF, Colorado
Top 100 rank: 12 | Mock draft projection: No. 14 to Portland Trail Blazers

High end: Otto Porter Jr.

Low end: Troy Brown Jr.



A familiar player

Those are some pretty bad comparisons. Porter and Troy Brown were unusually good rebounders for their position. Williams so far has been a horrifically bad rebounder.


My comparison: Tony Snell. Did way too much cardio last season.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1097 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:If you forced me to take any UConn players and not the head coach, I'd take Donovan Clingan over Stephon Castle. Clingan plays elite defense at a position where defense really matters. His impact will be larger even if his offensive role is never significant.

I like guards who can score. Wings who are versatile and centers that can defend.

Point guards that don't have a clear path to scoring efficiently don't start at the position very long.

In analyzing Castle's shot, it's not a total remake job... in fact it looks ok although he tends to lean back on his jumper. His shot is alot like John Wall's coming out. Like John, Castle appears far more comfortable in the mid-range area although he's not necessarily efficient there either.

I'm more concerned about what does he do at a high level offensively? I guess you'd rate his finishing ability pretty high as he has a body ready made for contact. His handle isn't elite but its solid. He makes good reads but I would't say he's a special passer. My question is also with his pace which is huge for a PG. He played very methodically when the ball was in his hands. Not sure that flies in the 24 sec shot clock era.

I don't really disagree with any of this. But I'll point out that Castle is 6'-7" with a 6'-9" wingspan. So even if he doesn't satisfy your criteria for being a "guard who can score" he kinda defaults to a "wing who is versatile" even if he doesn't pan out as a guard. It limits his downside at least.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1098 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:36 pm

Man, those player comparisons from Jeremy Woo are absolutely horrible.

ESPN’s draft coverage is a joke nowadays, especially after Schmitz left.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1099 » by doclinkin » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:00 pm

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nba-draft-workout-tracker/


Wizards playing it very close to the vest with their workouts seems like:

The known list of players to have worked out with the Wizards:

Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide 36ers (NBL)
Xavier Johnson, Southern Illinois
Pelle Larsson, Arizona
Ugonna Onyenso, Kentucky


Compared to say, Golden State:

The known list of players to have worked out with the Warriors:

Chibuzo Agbo, Boise State
Adama Bal, Santa Clara
Brooks Barnhizer, Northwestern
Jalen Bridges, Baylor
Lamont Butler, San Diego State
Branden Carlson, Utah
Jermaine Couisnard, Oregon
Isaiah Crawford, Louisiana Tech
Malik Dia, Belmont
Allen Flanigan, Ole Miss
Darin Green Jr., Florida State
Sam Griffin, Wyoming
Coleman Hawkins, Illinois
Blake Hinson, Pitt
DJ Horne, NC State
Oso Ighodaro, Marquette
Keshad Johnson, Arizona
Dillon Jones, Weber State
Isaac Jones, Washington State
KJ Jones II, Emmanuel University (DII)*
Miles Kelly, Georgia Tech
Pelle Larsson, Arizona
Jared McCain, Duke
Gabe McGlothan, Grand Canyon
Tre Mitchell, Kentucky
Antonio Reeves, Kentucky
Payton Sandfort, Iowa
Langston Terry, Lithia Springs High School
Shahada Wells, McNeese State
Jaylin Williams, Auburn
Moses Wood, Washington
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1100 » by tontoz » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:09 pm

Interesting that they worked out Onyenso. Apparently he didn't attend the combine and is hard to find on any mocks. I thought he might be staying in school.

Good rim projector for Kentucky. Averaged 6 blocks per 40. His minutes went down late in the season when Ivisic started getting more time.
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