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Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#1101 » by BanndNDC » Wed Mar 7, 2012 4:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:The Bucks probably realize they're not going to get the 8th playoff spot, and they want to save money. There's no chance they want Blatche without giving up a terrible contract.

Fwiw, Ilyosova has said in the past - He will go to the highest bidder - period.


woo hoo. being the highest bidder is something we can aspire to (plus we have better turkish food and women then some of our potential competitors).

is there any competitive advantage we'd have (vis a vis signing him) by trading for him now? how can we help them to get this done. blatche/gooden is a wash so no benefit for them there. we can take dunleavy off their hands (wish we could take livingston) and give them young or mack. what would they want? id be concerned about ilyasova being traded somewhere else (unless it is strictly a rental situation).
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Post#1102 » by PistolP » Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:16 pm

fishercob wrote:I doubt we can wrangle the Charlotte pick for a rental of Young. We should have made this trade a year ago, but many here (and perhaps our front office) seemed convinced that Young was something that he clearly isn't.

Bulls fan here. Doubt the Charlotte pick will be moved for a rental. I'm guessing Brewer probably wouldn't be included in a NYoung trade since Thibs loves his defense. Bulls have a tendency to stand pat, so I doubt anything gets done, but just wondering what the deal is with Young and what his value really is. Do you expect to bring him back? Is he on the trade market? What's his realistic value? Would Korver and some sort of pick be interesting to Wiz mgmt?
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#1103 » by fishercob » Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:25 pm

I doubt the Wiz bring Young back. I do think we'd take Korver and the Bulls first rounder for him. I certainly would.
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Post#1104 » by no D in Hibachi » Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:37 pm

How about Washington's high 2nd and Young for Chicago's late 1st. It'll basically be an increase of 5-7 slots, but that could be the difference between Lazr Haywood and Trevor Booker.
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Post#1105 » by PistolP » Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:42 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:How about Washington's high 2nd and Young for Chicago's late 1st. It'll basically be an increase of 5-7 slots, but that could be the difference between Lazr Haywood and Trevor Booker.


Young+2nd for Korver+1st? That'd work for me.
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Post#1106 » by 7-Day Dray » Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:46 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:How about Washington's high 2nd and Young for Chicago's late 1st. It'll basically be an increase of 5-7 slots, but that could be the difference between Lazr Haywood and Trevor Booker.


I'd take that deal.
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Post#1107 » by fishercob » Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:51 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:How about Washington's high 2nd and Young for Chicago's late 1st. It'll basically be an increase of 5-7 slots, but that could be the difference between Lazr Haywood and Trevor Booker.


That's less appealing, to be honest. That could be moving up like 4 spots. Sub our second for one of the seconds we got from NY or Dallas and I would probably do it.
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Post#1108 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 7, 2012 11:19 pm

Would you do this trade just to get rid of Andray Blatche?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Blatche, Seraphin, Turiaf, Young to HOU for Kevin Martin and Hasheem Thabeet?

Martin is overpaid, but he is the best player in the deal. They want to get rid of Thabust probably worse than the Wizards want to get rid of Andray Blatche. They save $ and upgrade some with Seraphin. Maybe they could even resign Young for half what Martin would make.
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Post#1109 » by no D in Hibachi » Wed Mar 7, 2012 11:21 pm

fishercob wrote:
no D in Hibachi wrote:How about Washington's high 2nd and Young for Chicago's late 1st. It'll basically be an increase of 5-7 slots, but that could be the difference between Lazr Haywood and Trevor Booker.


That's less appealing, to be honest. That could be moving up like 4 spots. Sub our second for one of the seconds we got from NY or Dallas and I would probably do it.

I could do this. Then Washington has the 28th? and 32?. Package those two to move up to 22.
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Post#1110 » by McGully Culkin » Wed Mar 7, 2012 11:51 pm

What about a McGee for Ilyasova swap?

*I'm honestly for ANY trade that gets Blatche the heck outta here.
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Post#1111 » by dangermouse » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:03 am

I can't stand Kevin Martin, it would be hard to root for him, and he probably makes this team too good too soon.

Moving Blatche is a definite plus though... and losing Seraphin would kind of suck, but I'm betting we could find another Seraphin with our 2nd rounder this year, maybe.

Yeah, I'd do it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#1112 » by Dat2U » Thu Mar 8, 2012 6:34 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Would you do this draft just to get rid of Andray Blatche?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Blatche, Seraphin, Turiaf, Young to HOU for Kevin Martin and Hasheem Thabeet?

Martin is overpaid, but he is the best player in the deal. They want to get rid of Thabust probably worse than the Wizards want to get rid of Andray Blatche. They save $ and upgrade some with Seraphin. Maybe they could even resign Young for half what Martin would make.



I'd make that deal in a heartbeat and dance a jig or two afterwards.

But one question. Who's holding the gun to Houston GM Daryl Morey's head?
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Post#1113 » by truwizfan4evr » Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:40 am

Boston needs a big man maybe we can trade Andray for Pietrus and a pick or maybe Javale.
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Post#1114 » by fishercob » Thu Mar 8, 2012 3:36 pm

A good read on how the new CBA will affect the upcoming trade deadline (next Thursday). It could be quieter than usual as teams adjust to the new rules:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/j ... index.html
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Post#1115 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 8, 2012 3:54 pm

fishercob wrote:A good read on how the new CBA will affect the upcoming trade deadline (next Thursday). It could be quieter than usual as teams adjust to the new rules:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/j ... index.html

I really dislike that change in the sign and trade rules - though I understand the logic.
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Post#1116 » by tontoz » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:56 pm

Another major change is that sign-and-trade deals are limited to the same maximums as deals with a new team (four years, 4.5 percent raises).


So if a player wants to leave, he is in effect forfeiting his Bird Rights and giving up a lot of money. Interesting.
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Post#1117 » by fishercob » Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:38 pm

I just threw this baby up on the Trade Board a bit ago:

Washington trades: Javale McGee (RFA) Nick Young, Ronny Truiaf
Washington gets: Emeka Okafor, Minnesota first (from New Orleans)

Washington takes on some money and gives up a lot of upside in exchange for a steady vet in Okafor and a mid first rounder.

New Orleans trades: Okafor, Jarrett Jack, Minnesota '12 first rounder
New Orleans gets: Josh Smith, Ronny Turiaf (exp)

The Hornets consolidate some assets to get a second young star to play with Gordon. They still have holes, but they are in rebuild mode and this keeps them young and relevant.

Atlanta trades: Josh Smith
Atlanta gets: McGee, Jack, Nick Young,

ATL gets a young center that they can (a) keep for much less than they were paying Smith and (b) finally moved Horford to his natural PF position. Jack is a clear upgrade -- a better, less expensive version of HInrich. Young is a nice bench scorer, but probably not retained this summer (he'd have to waive his Bird rights to approve this deal, but I assume he would do so to go play for a playoff team). Atlanta is going to have some serious financial issues going forward, and this deal addresses that somewhat as well.

Not half an hour later, I see this:

Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be traded as the March 15 deadline approaches, according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

And the reasons for Smith’s dissatisfaction with the team now have to make the Hawks wonder if they will be able to sign him to a contract extension next season.

By the end of last season Smith wanted out of Atlanta because he believed he was singled out for unfair criticism by coaches and media. Those concerns have died down for the most part this season but now Smith believes he needs a fresh start with a franchise where he can better reach his potential on and off the court, according to one of the people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches. Smith, an Atlanta native who has played his entire seven-year career with the Hawks, also would like to play for a franchise he believes is more committed to winning a championship.

via Michael Cunningham- Atlanta Journal Constitution.


Atlanta might be able to to better than a McGee, Jack, Young combo from a talent standpoint. But I think their finances make this appealing to them.

I like Okafor here. I'm not under the illusion that he's anything special. But his contract is the right length and he can play with a variety of guys. Having that extra first -- maybe in the 16-18 range could really help. But that is when it would be really important to have the right GM who could draft the right guy in that spot. We could also potentially package the pick with our 2nd and/or one of our pups and move up to the mid-late lotto to pick Beal or Lamb.
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Post#1118 » by Rafael122 » Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:49 pm

Rondo for Smith makes a ton of sense for both teams. Atlanta needs a point guard in the worse way. Maybe a Rondo + Bass type of swap would work.
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Post#1119 » by LyricalRico » Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:53 pm

^ Very interesting fish, although I don't know that NOH comes off the Minny pick as long as there is a chance that it's a lottery pick. I think they'd want to see if it's a lottery pick and then see what pick they actually end up with before dealing it. That, of course, would cut us out.

I also think Raffy has a point that ATL does have other options. A package of McGee and backups can't be at the top of their wish list.
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Post#1120 » by Dat2U » Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:57 pm

fishercob wrote:I just threw this baby up on the Trade Board a bit ago:

Washington trades: Javale McGee (RFA) Nick Young, Ronny Truiaf
Washington gets: Emeka Okafor, Minnesota first (from New Orleans)

Washington takes on some money and gives up a lot of upside in exchange for a steady vet in Okafor and a mid first rounder.

New Orleans trades: Okafor, Jarrett Jack, Minnesota '12 first rounder
New Orleans gets: Josh Smith, Ronny Turiaf (exp)

The Hornets consolidate some assets to get a second young star to play with Gordon. They still have holes, but they are in rebuild mode and this keeps them young and relevant.

Atlanta trades: Josh Smith
Atlanta gets: McGee, Jack, Nick Young,

ATL gets a young center that they can (a) keep for much less than they were paying Smith and (b) finally moved Horford to his natural PF position. Jack is a clear upgrade -- a better, less expensive version of HInrich. Young is a nice bench scorer, but probably not retained this summer (he'd have to waive his Bird rights to approve this deal, but I assume he would do so to go play for a playoff team). Atlanta is going to have some serious financial issues going forward, and this deal addresses that somewhat as well.

Not half an hour later, I see this:

Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be traded as the March 15 deadline approaches, according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

And the reasons for Smith’s dissatisfaction with the team now have to make the Hawks wonder if they will be able to sign him to a contract extension next season.

By the end of last season Smith wanted out of Atlanta because he believed he was singled out for unfair criticism by coaches and media. Those concerns have died down for the most part this season but now Smith believes he needs a fresh start with a franchise where he can better reach his potential on and off the court, according to one of the people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches. Smith, an Atlanta native who has played his entire seven-year career with the Hawks, also would like to play for a franchise he believes is more committed to winning a championship.

via Michael Cunningham- Atlanta Journal Constitution.


Atlanta might be able to to better than a McGee, Jack, Young combo from a talent standpoint. But I think their finances make this appealing to them.

I like Okafor here. I'm not under the illusion that he's anything special. But his contract is the right length and he can play with a variety of guys. Having that extra first -- maybe in the 16-18 range could really help. But that is when it would be really important to have the right GM who could draft the right guy in that spot. We could also potentially package the pick with our 2nd and/or one of our pups and move up to the mid-late lotto to pick Beal or Lamb.


How bout we cut out NO, end the Okafor love affair and deal with Atlanta directly.

If Atlanta will take some sort of McGee for Smith swap, I'd much rather make that trade than many of the other trades mentioned.

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