Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If we stay where we are at 3 and 38, I will be very happy if we can just come out of the draft with Porter and Murphy (who DX currently has projected at 54). I think that's a reasonable expectation.


I also would consider moving down. The Jazz have 14 and 21. The T'Wolves have 9 and 26. The Suns have 5 and 30. OKC has 12 and 29. Atlanta has 17 and 18.

If we can get Adams and Muscala in exchange for the #3 I would strongly consider it. We'd have our understudy/backups for Okafor and Nene our two oldest players. They would sooner or later replace Vesely and Singleton on the roster. Center would have a depth chart of Okafor, Adams, Seraphin, and PF would be Nene, Muscala, Booker.

[hands11]

IMO there are a couple of players that would be difficult to pass on given our need for bigs with high ceiling and moderate risk. I see no reason why Gobert and Adams shouldn't become very good NBA centers. They can come in immediately and provide acceptable backup minutes to Oak. Give them each a year of development, experience and an off-season of big man school then look out. These guys have super-high ceilings. If I were EG I would make sure I got one of them.

I'm pretty much sold on Adams as a good pick outside of the top 10, but I'm a little more fearful about Gobert, and would put him at a high risk. He seems farther away from understanding basketball. I think the risk that he never really gets it is a lot higher than Adams. Adams is at least athletic enough that he can recover quickly. Gobert just seems really really large.

They said at the combine that he was project to be a PF and that he would stay overseas for now.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

BTW, the Kevin Pelton chats over on ESPN are always excellent and extended. It's a mix of draft, playoffs and player comparison talk. I skimmed the last one and there were maybe fifteen or more Wizards' related questions along with a good bit of general early lottery prospect talk.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/48060

Interesting chat. Pelton sees Len as the biggest bust potential in the top 10 (I might agree with that). He's also a big Porter supporter to the point he'd prefer the Wiz to trade down if Porter and Noel are gone.

Trade down for Olynyk.

Allen Crabbe or Jamal Franklin can be EXCELLENT value picks in a trade down.

The smart play would be to try and get one of them and Muscala.

In round two Nate Wolters might be better than Trey Burke.

I'm more excited about Wolters than Porter, Bennett, or Len. Washington is a playoff team that drops off sharply when Wall's playmaking is missing. They need a scoring playmaker. Wolters is a terrific scorer who will be an excellent playmaker in the NBA. Concerns about his defense should not overshadow his body of work on offense.

You really do like one-trick role players...this team is not ready to compete...we should be trading up, not trading down for guys that could be replaced with vet minimum free agents.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I think I'm gonna go bonkers waiting another month for this draft.


My current Wizards board...

#3
Porter
Bennett
Adams
McCollum
Zeller
Len




#38
Muscala
Murphy
Green
Iverson
Hardaway Jr
McCallum

[Deeptu McPullup]

I also would consider moving down. The Jazz have 14 and 21. The T'Wolves have 9 and 26. The Suns have 5 and 30. OKC has 12 and 29. Atlanta has 17 and 18.

As trading down from 8 for most of those packages would've been weak, doing so from 3 would be a biblical blunder. Just say it out loud "3 for 12 & 29". Picks like the 29th get sold for cash.

Trade downs are nice, but teams without multiple picks possessing players under contract who can help us are the targets.

[hands11]

This stat geek likes Porter much more than Bennett. He ranks Porter as a very likely to be an all-star caliber player, with Bennett being a hit or miss prospect. Application of his system to the last 3 draft classes have been pretty accurate.

awesome stuff Nate and very intriguing

Please note he rates Wolters and Crabbe ahead of Len. He is right. Trade down and pick Wolters. Crabbe and Muscala are great prospects. This is too hard for EG and Ted but obvious to some.

He does have some Tony Parker in his handles and floater. Knows how to run a Pick and Roll. Can skip pass. But it looks like his short arms and later quickness are going to get him eaten alive in the NBA defensively unless a team can scheme to cover for him.

Him and Muscala together would play well offensively.

If we don't go with CJM who I think has the handles, shooting and is more athletic, Wolters would be a huge upgrade at back up PG over Price. So would Pierre Jackson but Jackson is much smaller, but also quicker.

I actually really like this draft. There are players all over it.

Did you say you think he will be better than Trey Burke ? If so, not sure sure about that. I expect Burke to challenge for ROTY

[The Consiglieri]

We should make a deal with Dallas for there 13 pick would anyone take a risk on shabazz muhammad at 13? If were not able to draft porter that is.

I would do that in a second if the price is right. Muhammad will be a player in this league. No chance he's a bust, just not the right value at #3, he'd be a flat out steal at #13, and I don't expect him to last that long.

[The Consiglieri]

This stat geek likes Porter much more than Bennett. He ranks Porter as a very likely to be an all-star caliber player, with Bennett being a hit or miss prospect. Application of his system to the last 3 draft classes have been pretty accurate.

awesome stuff Nate and very intriguing

Please note he rates Wolters and Crabbe ahead of Len. He is right. Trade down and pick Wolters. Crabbe and Muscala are great prospects. This is too hard for EG and Ted but obvious to some.

Some idiotic ratings:

'12:

Sully, Crowder insanely high, Drummond foolishly low.

'11:

Burks, Butler and Walker ridiculously high,

'10:

Favors way too low.

Again, he's hit and miss w/some great hits, but nothing too out of the ordinary. I don't automatically believe squat about his ratings, he's missing and hitting, and the sample size is tiny as hell.

[Ruzious]

BTW, the Kevin Pelton chats over on ESPN are always excellent and extended. It's a mix of draft, playoffs and player comparison talk. I skimmed the last one and there were maybe fifteen or more Wizards' related questions along with a good bit of general early lottery prospect talk.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/48060

Interesting chat. Pelton sees Len as the biggest bust potential in the top 10 (I might agree with that). He's also a big Porter supporter to the point he'd prefer the Wiz to trade down if Porter and Noel are gone.

Trade down for Olynyk.

Allen Crabbe or Jamal Franklin can be EXCELLENT value picks in a trade down.

The smart play would be to try and get one of them and Muscala.

In round two Nate Wolters might be better than Trey Burke.

I'm more excited about Wolters than Porter, Bennett, or Len. Washington is a playoff team that drops off sharply when Wall's playmaking is missing. They need a scoring playmaker. Wolters is a terrific scorer who will be an excellent playmaker in the NBA. Concerns about his defense should not overshadow his body of work on offense.

Good choices for value picks except for Olynyk. I'd actually rather have Muscala than Olynyk. Even though Muscala isn't a great athlete, he's more athletic than Oly, he rebounds better, has more defensive ability, and wasn't a 1 year wonder. Also, even though reach is more important than wingspan for a big, we've seen with all the pass deflections by Indy's front court players that wingspan does make a difference on D. Muscala's got about 4 inches there on Oly.

Wolters would fill a need as a bench scorer at either guard position. He'd be a fine 2nd round pick. Nice size at the PG, but his wingspan is actually 2 inches shorter than... Burke's. With his limitations, ya gotta be careful of matchups with him.

Crabbe and Franklin are very interesting players with great length - as opposed to Wolters. If Franklin shows improvement in his shot, he can shoot up in the draft and go a lot higher than expected. And Crabbe can shoot. There's no downside with him and a lot of upside.

[Ruzious]

We should make a deal with Dallas for there 13 pick would anyone take a risk on shabazz muhammad at 13? If were not able to draft porter that is.

I would do that in a second if the price is right. Muhammad will be a player in this league. No chance he's a bust, just not the right value at #3, he'd be a flat out steal at #13, and I don't expect him to last that long.

It depends on what you mean by a bust. If you mean a guy who won't score, he won't be a bust. If you mean a guy who won't help his team win, he will likely be a bust.

[dangermouse]

I'm going to go on the record and say that I'd take Zeller over Bennett.

Otto is still my man though. Hopefully no one nabs him first.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Interesting chat. Pelton sees Len as the biggest bust potential in the top 10 (I might agree with that). He's also a big Porter supporter to the point he'd prefer the Wiz to trade down if Porter and Noel are gone.

Trade down for Olynyk.

Allen Crabbe or Jamal Franklin can be EXCELLENT value picks in a trade down.

The smart play would be to try and get one of them and Muscala.

In round two Nate Wolters might be better than Trey Burke.

I'm more excited about Wolters than Porter, Bennett, or Len. Washington is a playoff team that drops off sharply when Wall's playmaking is missing. They need a scoring playmaker. Wolters is a terrific scorer who will be an excellent playmaker in the NBA. Concerns about his defense should not overshadow his body of work on offense.

You really do like one-trick role players...this team is not ready to compete...we should be trading up, not trading down for guys that could be replaced with vet minimum free agents.

Wolters can score and he has an extremely good pure passer ratio. Those two tricks are great for a PG to have.

The Wizards need offensive players who can create their own offense. I named efficient scorers.

Franklin will be better than Muhammed. Franklin rebounds well, finishes well, defends well and he will score easier than Tony Allen.

Just because mocks say one thing and I another doesn't mean I'm wrong. (CSN gives me hope the Wizards are considering free advice this season. I am overjoyed.)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

awesome stuff Nate and very intriguing

Please note he rates Wolters and Crabbe ahead of Len. He is right. Trade down and pick Wolters. Crabbe and Muscala are great prospects. This is too hard for EG and Ted but obvious to some.

He does have some Tony Parker in his handles and floater. Knows how to run a Pick and Roll. Can skip pass.
But it looks like his short arms and later quickness are going to get him eaten alive in the NBA defensively unless a team can scheme to cover for him.

Him and Muscala together would play well offensively.

If we don't go with CJM who I think has the handles, shooting and is more athletic, Wolters would be a huge upgrade at back up PG over Price. So would Pierre Jackson but Jackson is much smaller, but also quicker.

I actually really like this draft. There are players all over it.

Did you say you think he will be better than Trey Burke ? If so, not sure sure about that. I expect Burke to challenge for ROTY

hands that is the point. Schemes can protect weak defenders. Nash and Rip took a while.

[WizardsWorld]

If you guys want Bazz, we'll trade you the #3 for #9 + player and we get our guy, you gets yours

I'd rather trade our pick for Jan Vesley's mom than draft shabazz

[WizarDynasty]

If you guys want Bazz, we'll trade you the #3 for #9 + player and we get our guy, you gets yours

I'd rather trade our pick for Jan Vesley's mom than draft shabazz

and you probably also think that Porter is going to have any chance of carrying the team in the fourth quarter with Beal's suspect ankles. Wall is a creator, not a finisher.
Porter ain't a finisher. Beal takes shots within the offense. He is on no finisher. The team has no finishers. The team does not have a number one option and you want to spend our last blue chip on a glue guy because he is nice and clean and he has a one inch standing reach advantage and inferior in all other aspects physically historically to all top level talent in the nba including paul george's combine numbers. give me a break. He weights 195lbs and you have all the faith in the world that he is going to add weight and become a first or even second option in playoffs against guys like Lebron James, Paul George. Everyone loves local Georgetown products but he was a no name recruit, he didn't carry his team deep into the NCAA despite being there for two years like a dwade, he doesn't take over games against top ranked non conference opponents, and he isn't explosive. Shabazz is explosive and the knock against him was that he couldn't shoot. He completely destroyed those notions. Shabazz is a number one option scoring because he can create for himself. He can catch and shoot and he has refined offensive moves. If we don't get adams, it's a tie between Bennett and Shabazz. Beal is a ray allen type shooter. He isn't a kobe or michael jordan type player who can consistently take over games. He has bad ankles since his highschool days. Wall is a pass first point guard aka tony parker. If you are going to follow the San antonio model, the bigman is what makes the Cog go and the only thing that is rock steady about the Spurs for the decade and half is that they shot blocking, above average rebounder, who wins the small battles in the post for rebounding position every night and point guard who attacks the basket on fast breaks and is disciplined with his passes. They pop a shooting guard in that can get to the basket but shooting guard and small forwards are not what make the wheel go.
Point guard and mobile powerful and highly intellligent dominating rebounder that gives you close to 20 and ten every night is what makes them a close to dynasty. The wizards need a 20 and ten Bigman over a glue guy. If we have to trade this last chip we have to get one, that' should be the number one priority.

[hands11]

If we stay where we are at 3 and 38, I will be very happy if we can just come out of the draft with Porter and Murphy (who DX currently has projected at 54). I think that's a reasonable expectation.


I also would consider moving down. The Jazz have 14 and 21. The T'Wolves have 9 and 26. The Suns have 5 and 30. OKC has 12 and 29. Atlanta has 17 and 18.

If we can get Adams and Muscala in exchange for the #3 I would strongly consider it. We'd have our understudy/backups for Okafor and Nene our two oldest players. They would sooner or later replace Vesely and Singleton on the roster. Center would have a depth chart of Okafor, Adams, Seraphin, and PF would be Nene, Muscala, Booker.

I posed this idea a for a long time using Diegn/Withey. It works with Adams as well. New kid on the block.

Basically Dieng/Withey, Muscala, Erik Murphy and pick Pierre Jackson up free free since he wasn't listed on the draft board.

I expected they would have to move Singleton at a min in the process.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If you guys want Bazz, we'll trade you the #3 for #9 + player and we get our guy, you gets yours

I'd rather trade our pick for Jan Vesley's mom than draft shabazz

and you probably also think that Porter is going to have any chance of carrying the team in the fourth quarter with Beal's suspect ankles. Wall is a creator, not a finisher.
Porter ain't a finisher. Beal takes shots within the offense. He is on no finisher. The team has no finishers. The team does not have a number one option and you want to spend our last blue chip on a glue guy because he is nice and clean and he has a one inch standing reach advantage and inferior in all other aspects physically historically to all top level talent in the nba including paul george's combine numbers. give me a break. He weights 195lbs and you have all the faith in the world that he is going to add weight and become a first or even second option in playoffs against guys like Lebron James, Paul George. Everyone loves local Georgetown products but he was a no name recruit, he didn't carry his team deep into the NCAA despite being there for two years like a dwade, he doesn't take over games against top ranked non conference opponents, and he isn't explosive. Shabazz is explosive and the knock against him was that he couldn't shoot. He completely destroyed those notions. Shabazz is a number one option scoring because he can create for himself. He can catch and shoot and he has refined offensive moves. If we don't get adams, it's a tie between Bennett and Shabazz. Beal is a ray allen type shooter. He isn't a kobe or michael jordan type player who can consistently take over games. He has bad ankles since his highschool days. Wall is a pass first point guard aka tony parker. If you are going to follow the San antonio model, the bigman is what makes the Cog go and the only thing that is rock steady about the Spurs for the decade and half is that they shot blocking, above average rebounder, who wins the small battles in the post for rebounding position every night and point guard who attacks the basket on fast breaks and is disciplined with his passes. They pop a shooting guard in that can get to the basket but shooting guard and small forwards are not what make the wheel go.
Point guard and mobile powerful and highly intellligent dominating rebounder that gives you close to 20 and ten every night is what makes them a close to dynasty. The wizards need a 20 and ten Bigman over a glue guy. If we have to trade this last chip we have to get one, that' should be the number one priority.

WD, you like Adams because you say he can be a big man who can rebound and block shots and be a strong defensive anchor in the middle. The Spurs start with Duncan being a 20 and 10 presence. You believe Adams can be a dominant big,

You also believe the Wizards have no finishers who can create their offense. You believe if Adams isn't the pick it's a tie between Shabazz Muhammed and Anthony Bennett who should be the pick.

I can't argue strongly against any of that because you could end up being right. They are guys I don't love but who do match the physical profile of what the Wizards lack.

[hands11]

Please note he rates Wolters and Crabbe ahead of Len. He is right. Trade down and pick Wolters. Crabbe and Muscala are great prospects. This is too hard for EG and Ted but obvious to some.

He does have some Tony Parker in his handles and floater. Knows how to run a Pick and Roll. Can skip pass.
But it looks like his short arms and later quickness are going to get him eaten alive in the NBA defensively unless a team can scheme to cover for him.

Him and Muscala together would play well offensively.

If we don't go with CJM who I think has the handles, shooting and is more athletic, Wolters would be a huge upgrade at back up PG over Price. So would Pierre Jackson but Jackson is much smaller, but also quicker.

I actually really like this draft. There are players all over it.

Did you say you think he will be better than Trey Burke ? If so, not sure sure about that. I expect Burke to challenge for ROTY

hands that is the point. Schemes can protect weak defenders. Nash and Rip took a while.

I commented on Allen Crabbe recently when i listed the interview schedule. He talks about the Wizards in his interview video from the combine. He was surprised they requested an interview with him. Runs off screens. Nice quick release. ala Rip and he rebounds. And he uses his length well to contest shots and jumps lanes like Trevor A. And he scores in ways that fit the Wizards offense. And he is 6-6 with a good wing span.

If you start from the premise that very few players can do it all, then it just a matter of evaluating what you think your team needs and finding skills that fit in that come with a personal that adds to what is already the core.

Most agree the team needs to add some scoring. For me, I think thats scoring off the bench. Wall and Beal are going to be your 18-20 plus a night scorers. Webby/Trevor A are going to get you 10 pls. Okafor 10 pls. Nene 10 pls. Thats the bulk of your points. What they need is a few 10 pls types off the bench while not suffering defensively. They need a leader of that 2nd group. I don't think thats Price.

Guard that can shoot that also has handles to lead the 2nd group. CJM, Wolters fit there.
They need a future center or at least a 7-0 back up who can rebound and defend.
They need power and rebounds in the paint. Jackie C

They could do the rebounding with others. Withey. Adams. Or Muscala who has more range shooting. Withey is more the post player. Muscala adds some Kelly O skills. Its said Muscala has more move then Kevin McHale.

There a lots of way to get it done given the range of talent in this draft. Its a great draft actually. Its not just a few great names at the top. Instead is good quality well through the first and halfway down the second. Its a deep draft which is perfect for building out a team.

And some of these "role" players are going find a great fit with some team and eventually find themselves as starters do to injuries, etc. That's the thing about solid role players. They get on the floor so they gain that experience.

[Ruzious]

Question - if you have a choice between Crabbe and Reggie Bullock, who do you choose? Bullock measured only a half inch and 3 lbs bigger - while Crabbe had a significant length advantage.

[No-Man]

Bullock.

Bullock is the better player, he can knock down shots but his offense is more advanced, he can do other things, he's more athletic, can run the pick&roll a little bit, his handles are better.

And in defense,... it's not even fair.

Crabbe played in an awful team, he's good shooter using screens... and thats about it, also he can't play the 3, while Bullock can.

Bullock also has a high character, sometimes too high though.. but it's a good thing, the guy plays hard.