Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[gambitx777]

I'm thinking we should go after either jason thompson or omer asik

I think ariza, a second rounder and the rights to thomas could get either one of them.

Asik really should be moved with D12 in town and with all of there young big's, they can afford to move him. plus they don't really have a ton of leverage. The rockets could use a good defensive 3 and that would clear them a good bit of cap room much earlier than they expected.

As for thompson, they have the same issue, hes expendable and I am sure they would love to dump his reasonably priced but longer contract for ariza's shorter and buy out-able deal.

Both deals work out pretty well for us and both sides really.

[verbal8]

I'm thinking we should go after either jason thompson or omer asik

I think ariza, a second rounder and the rights to thomas could get either one of them.

Asik really should be moved with D12 in town and with all of there young big's, they can afford to move him. plus they don't really have a ton of leverage. The rockets could use a good defensive 3 and that would clear them a good bit of cap room much earlier than they expected.

As for thompson, they have the same issue, hes expendable and I am sure they would love to dump his reasonably priced but longer contract for ariza's shorter and buy out-able deal.

Both deals work out pretty well for us and both sides really.

I think Asik has a higher value than an expiring and a 2nd. If Ariza plays well to start the season and Asik and Howard don't mesh, I could see a deal appealing to Houston. However based on last season Asik would seem to be significantly more valuable.

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I'm thinking we should go after either jason thompson or omer asik

I think ariza, a second rounder and the rights to thomas could get either one of them.

Asik really should be moved with D12 in town and with all of there young big's, they can afford to move him. plus they don't really have a ton of leverage. The rockets could use a good defensive 3 and that would clear them a good bit of cap room much earlier than they expected.

As for thompson, they have the same issue, hes expendable and I am sure they would love to dump his reasonably priced but longer contract for ariza's shorter and buy out-able deal.

Both deals work out pretty well for us and both sides really.

Asik would be great -- as I and many others here have pointed out already -- but that deal won't get him, and I don't know who "thomas" is anyway.

Jason Thompson is not in Asik's class as a player. No interest in him.

[Ruzious]

While I'm not as big an Asik fan as PIF is, I do like the idea of going after him - because I think he would blend well with Nene. I would NOT want to get him to team with Okafor - I think they'd be a lousy combo. The best thing about Asik's offense is that he works within his limitations. And we should be able to get him cheap, because he's made it clear that he doesn't fit with Howard. Ariza would be a nice fit in Houston especially playing for a contract, and the salaries match. But we would be throwing away next year's cap space. Is it worth it for a center who scores so little and gets more than twice as many to's as assists? We could become a 45-50 win type team with him IF Nene stays healthy, and Asik's contract is reasonable and has just 2 years on it. It's not a sexy move and doesn't make us a contender, but it makes us good and doesn't kill future flexibility - so I'd consider Ariza and a protected first for him.

[Dat2U]

While I'm not as big an Asik fan as PIF is, I do like the idea of going after him - because I think he would blend well with Nene. I would NOT want to get him to team with Okafor - I think they'd be a lousy combo. The best thing about Asik's offense is that he works within his limitations. And we should be able to get him cheap, because he's made it clear that he doesn't fit with Howard. Ariza would be a nice fit in Houston especially playing for a contract, and the salaries match. But we would be throwing away next year's cap space. Is it worth it for a center who scores so little and gets more than twice as many to's as assists? We could become a 45-50 win type team with him IF Nene stays healthy, and Asik's contract is reasonable and has just 2 years on it. It's not a sexy move and doesn't make us a contender, but it makes us good and doesn't kill future flexibility - so I'd consider Ariza and a protected first for him.

Okafor is a FA after this year anyways. Why not get a replacement now? I'd have no problem with moving Nene to get him.

[Ruzious]

Houston with a healthy Howard and Nene could win the NBA champeenship, so a Terrance Jones plus Asik for Nene trade could be reasonable.

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Houston with a healthy Howard and Nene could win the NBA champeenship, so a Terrance Jones plus Asik for Nene trade could be reasonable.

I try to keep in mind that both Nene and Okafor are 25 minute a game players -- you are very unlikely to get more than that -- and that they are both injury risks. We're already down Okafor, and if Nene is injured we are a train wreck no matter how good our back court and wings are.

I don't know that Houston would be willing to take on Okafor, given that he's injured and possibly out for the whole season. They definitely are motivated to move Asik, but I can't imagine that'll be a problem; they'll have lots of offers. Now, if our offer includes Nene, then it's very appealing (for the reason Ruzious mentions).

But I don't think Asik plus Jones for Nene would work in the Trade Machine, would it? (ok I'm too lazy to go check it out). Perhaps he'd add Motiejunas, which would make it a great deal for us.

But, unlike Morey (who seems always to have the roster flexibility to make an outstanding trade), we are in the hands of an incompetent GM and can't make a 2 for 3 trade w/o waiving someone -- though admittedly, as a result of the same incompetence, we have a tidy handful of guys we could waive without missing anything (but the $$ we'd still have to pay them).

Final point: a trade like this has a double benefit for Morey: he gets rid of a problem and he is all of a sudden a title contender. We have a benefit too; we probably get better. But the trade doesn't offer us that second benefit. We don't get rid of a problem.

So what I'd *really* like is Nene, Singleton, Vesely and Seraphin for Asik, Jones and Motiejunas. And that might be close enough to work in the Trade Machine. Would Morey eat that, however? Maybe, if he thought it'd get him a title!

[Ruzious]

PIF, Nene for Asik and Jones does work in the Trade Checker - here at... RealGM.com. I'd love to do the trade you suggested, but I doubt Morey would be interested in the impressive trio of Singleton, Vesely, and Seraphin unless the NBA decides to give partial credit for bricks and airballs. And uh, I'm too lazy to check, but I don't think your trade would work on the Trade Checker.

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PIF, Nene for Asik and Jones does work in the Trade Checker - here at... RealGM.com. I'd love to do the trade you suggested, but I doubt Morey would be interested in the impressive trio of Singleton, Vesely, and Seraphin unless the NBA decides to give partial credit for bricks and airballs. And uh, I'm too lazy to check, but I don't think your trade would work on the Trade Checker.

Oh, I'm sure he would not be interested! But Nene would make it tempting all the same -- if he thinks that gives him a shot at a ring. He'd be likely to dump our awesome trio as soon as, and in any way that, he could.

And, if we do the N for A and J deal -- then we have to waive someone. I'm hoping to transfer that to him. But... we agree it ain't likely!

[DANNYLANDOVER]

A slight modification to the earlier suggested trade...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luqwduw

WAS out: Nene, Ariza, rights to Satoransky
WAS in: Asik, Udoh (expiring), Jones
HOU out: Asik, Lin, Jones
HOU in: Nene, Ariza
MIL out: Udoh
MIL in: Lin (they need a real PG), rights to Satoransky

Of course, we have to cut Singleton, but this trade makes sense for every team involved
New line-up:
Wall/Maynor/Temple
Beal/Webster/Temple/Rice Jr
Webster/Porter/Rice Jr
Jones/Harrington/Booker/Vesely
Asik/Seraphin/Vesely

If/when Okafor comes back, one of the young bigs has to ride the pine.

[gambitx777]

To me NENE is owed to much money to move, I think its more likely that they take a lesser deal with cap flex than a big deal with NENE.

[Ruzious]

A slight modification to the earlier suggested trade...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luqwduw

WAS out: Nene, Ariza, rights to Satoransky
WAS in: Asik, Udoh (expiring), Jones
HOU out: Asik, Lin, Jones
HOU in: Nene, Ariza
MIL out: Udoh
MIL in: Lin (they need a real PG), rights to Satoransky

Of course, we have to cut Singleton, but this trade makes sense for every team involved
New line-up:
Wall/Maynor/Temple
Beal/Webster/Temple/Rice Jr
Webster/Porter/Rice Jr
Jones/Harrington/Booker/Vesely
Asik/Seraphin/Vesely

If/when Okafor comes back, one of the young bigs has to ride the pine.

I love it for the Wiz, but what does Houston do for a PG?

[Ruzious]

To me NENE is owed to much money to move, I think its more likely that they take a lesser deal with cap flex than a big deal with NENE.

Maybe, but it's hard to see Houston doing much with cap room when they have Howard and Harden on the payroll.

[stevemcqueen1]

A slight modification to the earlier suggested trade...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luqwduw

WAS out: Nene, Ariza, rights to Satoransky
WAS in: Asik, Udoh (expiring), Jones
HOU out: Asik, Lin, Jones
HOU in: Nene, Ariza
MIL out: Udoh
MIL in: Lin (they need a real PG), rights to Satoransky

Of course, we have to cut Singleton, but this trade makes sense for every team involved
New line-up:
Wall/Maynor/Temple
Beal/Webster/Temple/Rice Jr
Webster/Porter/Rice Jr
Jones/Harrington/Booker/Vesely
Asik/Seraphin/Vesely

If/when Okafor comes back, one of the young bigs has to ride the pine.

I love it for the Wiz, but what does Houston do for a PG?

We lose the best player in that deal though. Nene is a significantly better player than anyone else involved.

Why not just play Nene at C? He's a better player than Asik. We don't have to move Ariza. We don't have to move Nene either, whether he stays healthy or not. The next big contract on the horizon for us is probably Beal, which won't happen until after Nene expires.

[payitforward]

A slight modification to the earlier suggested trade...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luqwduw

WAS out: Nene, Ariza, rights to Satoransky
WAS in: Asik, Udoh (expiring), Jones
HOU out: Asik, Lin, Jones
HOU in: Nene, Ariza
MIL out: Udoh
MIL in: Lin (they need a real PG), rights to Satoransky

Of course, we have to cut Singleton, but this trade makes sense for every team involved
New line-up:
Wall/Maynor/Temple
Beal/Webster/Temple/Rice Jr
Webster/Porter/Rice Jr
Jones/Harrington/Booker/Vesely
Asik/Seraphin/Vesely

If/when Okafor comes back, one of the young bigs has to ride the pine.

I love it for the Wiz, but what does Houston do for a PG?

We lose the best player in that deal though. Nene is a significantly better player than anyone else involved.

Why not just play Nene at C? He's a better player than Asik. We don't have to move Ariza. We don't have to move Nene either, whether he stays healthy or not. The next big contract on the horizon for us is probably Beal, which won't happen until after Nene expires.

Nene is a 25-minute-a-game player. And injury prone. And older than Asik. Will he be better than Asik year after next?

We get better in this trade. Ariza is unrestricted next year, so maybe he'd wind up coming back.

[deneem4]

Nene is past 30...injury prone and is holding up 13mil of cap for the nxt 3yrs...il do nene for asik straight up if need be, he's a great player just not for a rebuilding team...

[Ruzious]

A slight modification to the earlier suggested trade...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luqwduw

WAS out: Nene, Ariza, rights to Satoransky
WAS in: Asik, Udoh (expiring), Jones
HOU out: Asik, Lin, Jones
HOU in: Nene, Ariza
MIL out: Udoh
MIL in: Lin (they need a real PG), rights to Satoransky

Of course, we have to cut Singleton, but this trade makes sense for every team involved
New line-up:
Wall/Maynor/Temple
Beal/Webster/Temple/Rice Jr
Webster/Porter/Rice Jr
Jones/Harrington/Booker/Vesely
Asik/Seraphin/Vesely

If/when Okafor comes back, one of the young bigs has to ride the pine.

I love it for the Wiz, but what does Houston do for a PG?

We lose the best player in that deal though. Nene is a significantly better player than anyone else involved.

Why not just play Nene at C? He's a better player than Asik. We don't have to move Ariza. We don't have to move Nene either, whether he stays healthy or not. The next big contract on the horizon for us is probably Beal, which won't happen until after Nene expires.

Mainly because I've given up on this season. If you asked me before hearing about the Okafor injury, I wouldn't do it. I also really like Jones - while realizing his jump shot and shot selection are problematic - ala Josh Smith.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

A slight modification to the earlier suggested trade...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luqwduw

WAS out: Nene, Ariza, rights to Satoransky
WAS in: Asik, Udoh (expiring), Jones
HOU out: Asik, Lin, Jones
HOU in: Nene, Ariza
MIL out: Udoh
MIL in: Lin (they need a real PG), rights to Satoransky

Of course, we have to cut Singleton, but this trade makes sense for every team involved
New line-up:
Wall/Maynor/Temple
Beal/Webster/Temple/Rice Jr
Webster/Porter/Rice Jr
Jones/Harrington/Booker/Vesely
Asik/Seraphin/Vesely

If/when Okafor comes back, one of the young bigs has to ride the pine.

I love it for the Wiz, but what does Houston do for a PG?

They already have Beverly, who IMO is better than Lin...shouldn't be that hard to find a back up PG, with Harden dominating the ball.

[jivelikenice]

Chase Budginer has a left knee injury. Minnesota might be in the market again for a SF (Ariza). Problem is they don't have any size outside of Derrick Williams (if you consider him a big)....

[queridiculo]

Nene for Asik? Make it happen. It solves our longterm front court issue, and it gives Houston an extra year they don't have to worry about front court depth for, given how unlikely it may be for Asik to resign with Houston.