Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[jbk1234]

I wouldn't. Webster is a perfect fit for this team, on the floor and in the locker room. And I'm not sold on this notion that we have surplus depth at the wings. Beal, Ariza, and Webster get all the minutes they can handle right now. I want to see SOMETHING out of Otto Porter before I'm ready to jettison anyone else.

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

With Glen going down we should hold off on any Ariza trades for the time being. There is also the issue with Beal's leg. We have to see how some of these injuries pan out otherwise we're going to get more Singleton/Maynor time then anyone wants to see.

That is why you need Jack. If the Cavs didn't already have two elite combo guards, I wouldn't be offering him. I was surprised when Grant signed him.

[nuposse04]

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

With Glen going down we should hold off on any Ariza trades for the time being. There is also the issue with Beal's leg. We have to see how some of these injuries pan out otherwise we're going to get more Singleton/Maynor time then anyone wants to see.

That is why you need Jack. If the Cavs didn't already have two elite combo guards, I wouldn't be offering him. I was surprised when Grant signed him.

Jack is on a terribly overpriced contract. We don't NEED him no matter how much you may want to believe that. Losing Webster would be just as big a negative as the positive of getting jack. Webster is younger, a better shooter and on a fairer contract. Jack's contract will be an issue later on. Do not want.

[TGW]

If the Cavs would give us a #1 pick for Jack into Webster, to me that's a no brainer. Webster and Jack are both bench players—the fact the team is willing to give up any sort of #1 pick for a journeyman small forward would be a no-brainer IMO.

[Induveca]

I would consider Jack and Sacramento's #1 pick for Webster.

I wouldn't. Webster is a perfect fit for this team, on the floor and in the locker room. And I'm not sold on this notion that we have surplus depth at the wings. Beal, Ariza, and Webster get all the minutes they can handle right now. I want to see SOMETHING out of Otto Porter before I'm ready to jettison anyone else.

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

Amen. Investment was made. Let's see what we have. Don't be scared to judge your investment. Learn to short our sell high.

[nate33]

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

Porter is going to get enough minutes on our current roster to show us something. If he does, then we can consider trading Ariza. But I'm not of the mindset that you give a player a ton of minutes and THEN see if he can show something. If Porter is ready to play competitive basketball, we're going to know by the way he plays in practice and in limited minutes in games. You don't need to force feed a guy 30 minutes a game for him develop as a player.

[mhd]

I'd rather hold onto Ariza's Bird rights then trade him. As many know, I'm the most anti Porter poster on the board. I hated the pick since day 1. He seems like a big bust to me. I'd rather trade Porter than Ariza. It was a stupid pick from the beginning because there was never any PT for Porter if Ariza, Webster, and Beal are all healthy. We need our SF to catch and shoot 3s. That's what Ariza and Webster are excellent at. Porter, with his slow release, hasn't shown that. Trade Porter now, before its too late!

[mhd]

Have you guys LOOKED at that future Kings pick? Its top 10 protected till 2017, and then if not conveyed, a 2nd rounder gets sent. That's worth nothing.

[stevemcqueen1]

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

Porter is going to get enough minutes on our current roster to show us something. If he does, then we can consider trading Ariza. But I'm not of the mindset that you give a player a ton of minutes and THEN see if he can show something. If Porter is ready to play competitive basketball, we're going to know by the way he plays in practice and in limited minutes in games. You don't need to force feed a guy 30 minutes a game for him develop as a player.

No I don't want him to play 30 minutes a night unless he earns that. I was thinking 16 minutes a night or so, like Steven Adams is playing in OKC. About two 8 minute stretches, one in each half.

[mhd]

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

Porter is going to get enough minutes on our current roster to show us something. If he does, then we can consider trading Ariza. But I'm not of the mindset that you give a player a ton of minutes and THEN see if he can show something. If Porter is ready to play competitive basketball, we're going to know by the way he plays in practice and in limited minutes in games. You don't need to force feed a guy 30 minutes a game for him develop as a player.

No I don't want him to play 30 minutes a night unless he earns that. I was thinking 16 minutes a night or so, like Steven Adams is playing in OKC. About two 8 minute stretches, one in each half.

From where?

SF: Ariza: 32 MPG
SG: Beal: 34 MPG
Webster: 16 MPG at SF, 12 MPG at SG

Where is Porter going to get 12 minutes of PT? He doesn't do anything out there to warrant the PT.

[stevemcqueen1]

Porter is going to get enough minutes on our current roster to show us something. If he does, then we can consider trading Ariza. But I'm not of the mindset that you give a player a ton of minutes and THEN see if he can show something. If Porter is ready to play competitive basketball, we're going to know by the way he plays in practice and in limited minutes in games. You don't need to force feed a guy 30 minutes a game for him develop as a player.

No I don't want him to play 30 minutes a night unless he earns that. I was thinking 16 minutes a night or so, like Steven Adams is playing in OKC. About two 8 minute stretches, one in each half.

From where?

SF: Ariza: 32 MPG
SG: Beal: 34 MPG
Webster: 16 MPG at SF, 12 MPG at SG

Where is Porter going to get 12 minutes of PT? He doesn't do anything out there to warrant the PT.

That's why you trade Ariza, an expiring player that we won't keep this summer who's trade value should be high right now.

And you've determined that Porter doesn't do anything to warrant PT from his 51 career minutes? You are a complete hater with no credibility in anything you say about him any more.

[payitforward]

This is how I look at it. One of Webster and Ariza have to go, because we spent a high pick on that position. Whether he looks good or not is pretty much irrelevant to me—he has to play. And I don't think Webster or Ariza are good enough to keep a #3 overall pick on the bench forever.

Ariza expires this year. Webster is playing extremely well, is in his prime, and is someone I can't imagine trading.

I could imagine trading Ariza if we were trading for draft picks and/or cap flexibility and/or one or more younger players. We've got to increase our stock of future assets. For Deng, on the other hand? No way.

[Nivek]

I still think this front office is basically going to keep the core group together after the season. Re-sign Gortat for 4 years and $48 million; re-sign Ariza for 4 years and $28 million; and re-sign Booker for 3 years and $15 million. Give or take a couple million in either direction for each of those guys. Then use the MLE to add one or more of a backup PG and another big.

[Dat2U]

I still think this front office is basically going to keep the core group together after the season. Re-sign Gortat for 4 years and $48 million; re-sign Ariza for 4 years and $28 million; and re-sign Booker for 3 years and $15 million. Give or take a couple million in either direction for each of those guys. Then use the MLE to add one or more of a backup PG and another big.

Can they even afford to do that? Wouldn't they be right up against the tax line if they resign Gortat & Ariza to market value deals?

[stevemcqueen1]

This is how I look at it. One of Webster and Ariza have to go, because we spent a high pick on that position. Whether he looks good or not is pretty much irrelevant to me—he has to play. And I don't think Webster or Ariza are good enough to keep a #3 overall pick on the bench forever.

Ariza expires this year. Webster is playing extremely well, is in his prime, and is someone I can't imagine trading.

I could imagine trading Ariza if we were trading for draft picks and/or cap flexibility and/or one or more younger players. We've got to increase our stock of future assets. For Deng, on the other hand? No way.

Yeah Deng doesn't fit here. He doesn't shoot threes and that's probably our SF's biggest role. Plus it doesn't really make sense to swap one expiring SF for another one.

[Ruzious]

I wouldn't. Webster is a perfect fit for this team, on the floor and in the locker room. And I'm not sold on this notion that we have surplus depth at the wings. Beal, Ariza, and Webster get all the minutes they can handle right now. I want to see SOMETHING out of Otto Porter before I'm ready to jettison anyone else.

Problem is you won't see anything from Porter unless somebody gets injured because there aren't any minutes left for him.

We should deal Ariza. He's expiring and should be worth something. We're going to have to take a risk and play Porter. But that's why we drafted him #3 overall. We're not contending this season, if we take a step back for a few months because we dealt Ariza, it won't kill us.

Amen. Investment was made. Let's see what we have. Don't be scared to judge your investment. Learn to short our sell high.

It's like - if you believed in Blackberry, you didn't sell all your Apple stock to buy RIMM. You bought little bits of RIMM and waited for it to show improvement before going all in. Thankfully, you held on to Apple since it kept on doing well while RIMM bricked.

[stevemcqueen1]

I still think this front office is basically going to keep the core group together after the season. Re-sign Gortat for 4 years and $48 million; re-sign Ariza for 4 years and $28 million; and re-sign Booker for 3 years and $15 million. Give or take a couple million in either direction for each of those guys. Then use the MLE to add one or more of a backup PG and another big.

At this point, I don't see Gortat making that kind of money this summer. 10 million per year seems like a high bid.

I also don't see us keeping Ariza. Doesn't make sense to do it after drafting Porter.

[ozthegandp]

i have a feeling gortat wont resign with us. there will be higher profile teams interested in him. decent center's arent exactly a dime a dozen.

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[Rafael122]

I still think this front office is basically going to keep the core group together after the season. Re-sign Gortat for 4 years and $48 million; re-sign Ariza for 4 years and $28 million; and re-sign Booker for 3 years and $15 million. Give or take a couple million in either direction for each of those guys. Then use the MLE to add one or more of a backup PG and another big.

At this point, I don't see Gortat making that kind of money this summer. 10 million per year seems like a high bid.

I also don't see us keeping Ariza. Doesn't make sense to do it after drafting Porter.

Gortat's making $7 mil now, $10 mil per year isn't out of the question.

[stevemcqueen1]

i have a feeling gortat wont resign with us. there will be higher profile teams interested in him. decent center's arent exactly a dime a dozen.

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If we make him a fair offer and his starting job is there for next year, I bet he stays. Players hate leaving comfortable situations where they think they've got a chance to win. Too much risk involved in moving. And Gortat settled in here immediately. Thing would have to absolutely tank for him to want out.

[stevemcqueen1]

I still think this front office is basically going to keep the core group together after the season. Re-sign Gortat for 4 years and $48 million; re-sign Ariza for 4 years and $28 million; and re-sign Booker for 3 years and $15 million. Give or take a couple million in either direction for each of those guys. Then use the MLE to add one or more of a backup PG and another big.

At this point, I don't see Gortat making that kind of money this summer. 10 million per year seems like a high bid.

I also don't see us keeping Ariza. Doesn't make sense to do it after drafting Porter.

Gortat's making $7 mil now, $10 mil per year isn't out of the question.

10 million has got to be close to his ceiling. He's a 15.5 PER player so far. And he'll be 30. 12 million per year is David West money and West was coming off a 20 PER season.

I would go up to 10 million if I had to but I don't think he deserves higher unless he really turns it on and finishes the year very strong. Feels like 10 million includes a substantial big man tax.