Political Roundtable Part XI

[Induveca]

A fitting kick-off to Fascism
http://time.com/4595399/women-march-washington-barred-lincoln-memorial/?xid=fbshare

So you're celebrating this jack-boot sh*t? I have news for you, those people are coming to all of those places anyway, probably even more now.

Just blame it on the mysterious Russ-kies. Seems to help in NYC.

[closg00]

Well at-least the obvious is official now, The Russians were involved in helping Trump. Duh! This should be an earthquake size scandal but won't be because it was done to benefit Republicans.

"The CIA concluded Russia worked to elect Trump. Republicans now face an impossible choice". - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/ACTMLayr8SOK0HcsD1YCM1w

[AFM]

yo CLOSG!!!! Get ya T levels checked baby boy!!! Da Trump Train is ready for liftoff, B, you sound like a grunfeld supporter!!!!

[Benjammin]

The cheating game: Russians 1, DNC 0.

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[dckingsfan]

Well at-least the obvious is official now, The Russians were involved in helping Trump. Duh! This should be an earthquake size scandal but won't be because it was done to benefit Republicans.

"The CIA concluded Russia worked to elect Trump. Republicans now face an impossible choice". - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/ACTMLayr8SOK0HcsD1YCM1w

This should be front page news on the level of war.

It isn't a scandal - a scandal would be if the RNC had helped the Russians.

Well, there is a scandal in that Mitch McConnell isn't taking it seriously enough.

[Induveca]

I trust Greenwald's take considering he's already responded to previous "unverified intelligence" stories and had WaPo retract them in part. His connections are too good, and anyone in cyber security business knows any Russian actor wouldn't use a Russian IP address, not leave behind a Russian encoded PDF:

"The Washington Post late Friday night published an explosive story that, in many ways, is classic American journalism of the worst sort: the key claims are based exclusively on the unverified assertions of anonymous officials, who in turn are disseminating their own claims about what the CIA purportedly believes, all based on evidence that remains completely secret."

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

[closg00]

I trust Greenwald's take considering he's already responded to these unverified intelligence stories and had WaPo retract them in part. His connections are too good, and anyone in cyber security business knows any Russian actor wouldn't use a Russian IP address:

"The Washington Post late Friday night published an explosive story that, in many ways, is classic American journalism of the worst sort: the key claims are based exclusively on the unverified assertions of anonymous officials, who in turn are disseminating their own claims about what the CIA purportedly believes, all based on evidence that remains completely secret."

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

Classic deflection on the part of the writer, deflect from the findings by attacking the source. The fact is the CIA ( which has information that the writer does not have), issued a secret report based upon the findings of their own intelligence analyst. Conservatives don't like the conclusion therefore you act the source, even if you don't have your own facts to add to the discussion.

[closg00]

Now we will see how corrupt the Republicans are. Republicans spent more taxpayer money on investigating Benghazi than anything else in congressional history. Will they investigate foreign involvement on-behalf of Donald Trump in a U.S. Election? I think there's a better chance of Ernie getting fired first.

[Induveca]

Now we will see how corrupt the Republicans are. Republicans spent more taxpayer money on investigating Benghazi than anything else in congressional history. Will they investigate foreign involvement on-behalf of Donald Trump in a U.S. Election? I think there's a better chance of Ernie getting fired first.

You do realize the alleged hacking is only Wikileaks right? Nothing to do with unconnected electronic voting machines. So the US is going to investigate Assange, who've they intend to convict for hacking?

Maybe they can subpoena Snowden and Chelsea Manning as expert witnesses as well. The establishment/MSM will kick and scream all the way to Inauguration Day. Criticize "fake news" as they fabricate their own propaganda.

This is stuff of 3rd world lore. Castro is laughing in his grave, right out of his pagebook.

[AFM]

Now we will see how corrupt the Republicans are. Republicans spent more taxpayer money on investigating Benghazi than anything else in congressional history. Will they investigate foreign involvement on-behalf of Donald Trump in a U.S. Election? I think there's a better chance of Ernie getting fired first.

You do realize the alleged hacking is only Wikileaks right? Nothing to do with unconnected electronic voting machines. So the US is going to investigate Assange, who've they intend to convict for hacking?

Maybe they can subpoena Snowden and Chelsea Manning as expert witnesses as well. The establishment/MSM will kick and scream all the way to Inauguration Day. Criticize "fake news" as they fabricate their own propaganda.

This is stuff of 3rd world lore. Castro is laughing in his grave, right out of his pagebook.

So glad I cancelled my WashPo subscription.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/12/05/trumps-election-stole-my-desire-to-look-for-a-partner/?utm_term=.532d9be33999

It's hard to make the case at this point, that they are any better than Buzzfeed.

[AFM]

WaPo only prints REAL NEWS!

[popper]

Isn't hacking pretty much baked into assumptions that people/politicians make when communicating via email? Don't most of us teach our kids never to put something in an email that might later embarrass or reflect badly on them. I would assume all governments with the capability are hacking anyone they might perceive as ripe for blackmail or coercion, etc. Of course the Russians hack us. So do the Chinese and North Koreans just as we hack them. And then there are the many thousands of lone wolf hackers. Political operatives should be on notice that the hacking issue is not going away anytime soon and communicate accordingly.

Assuming it was Russia, did the DNC hack change the election? When the NYT published hacked info on Trumps 1995 tax return, did that change the election? Who knows.

[Induveca]

WaPo only prints REAL NEWS!

REAL NEWS about FAKE NEWS, with protected sources of course. Comey released actual documents, signed. Yet the American public is supposed to believe a story with zero official documents or sources?

Release the CIA report, something official. Then I'm happy to consider the facts. It's difficult to trust the media at this point, their hatred and "anything goes" policy against Trump has made half of the electorate very skeptical of anything they publish.

Until then it's accusing Assange (a refugee in an Ecuadorian embassy for 4+ years avoiding US prosecution) of revealing institutional corruption within the DNC merely by publishing their own corrupt, incrinimating words. Wikileaks didn't write the DNC's emails, nor did they write the past 10+ years of leaks of other sources previously.

[closg00]

Now we will see how corrupt the Republicans are. Republicans spent more taxpayer money on investigating Benghazi than anything else in congressional history. Will they investigate foreign involvement on-behalf of Donald Trump in a U.S. Election? I think there's a better chance of Ernie getting fired first.

You do realize the alleged hacking is only Wikileaks right? Nothing to do with unconnected electronic voting machines. So the US is going to investigate Assange, who've they intend to convict for hacking?

Maybe they can subpoena Snowden and Chelsea Manning as expert witnesses as well. The establishment/MSM will kick and scream all the way to Inauguration Day. Criticize "fake news" as they fabricate their own propaganda.

This is stuff of 3rd world lore. Castro is laughing in his grave, right out of his pagebook.

You are straying all over the place, did you read the CIA piece about the Russians, we have the info already, it's up to congress if it wants to investigate. If they can investigate the deaths of 4 people in Libya for years, they can investigate this. The cognitive dissonance is amusing to observe.

[Induveca]

Now we will see how corrupt the Republicans are. Republicans spent more taxpayer money on investigating Benghazi than anything else in congressional history. Will they investigate foreign involvement on-behalf of Donald Trump in a U.S. Election? I think there's a better chance of Ernie getting fired first.

You do realize the alleged hacking is only Wikileaks right? Nothing to do with unconnected electronic voting machines. So the US is going to investigate Assange, who've they intend to convict for hacking?

Maybe they can subpoena Snowden and Chelsea Manning as expert witnesses as well. The establishment/MSM will kick and scream all the way to Inauguration Day. Criticize "fake news" as they fabricate their own propaganda.

This is stuff of 3rd world lore. Castro is laughing in his grave, right out of his pagebook.

You are straying all over the place, did you read the CIA piece about the Russians, we have the info already, it's up to congress if it wants to investigate. If they can investigate the deaths of 4 people in Libya for years, they can investigate this. The cognitive dissonance is amusing to observe.

What CIA report? Is this the same type of unreleased report that "17 agencies" confirmed Russia spying on the US (shocking), but never made official?

Again if there is an actual release of evidence, along with a senate hearing then I'll listen. This stuff shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion via anonymous sources and supposed CIA sources.

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Yesterday, the Washington Post published a report that claims “the CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency.” Mostly using anonymous sources with knowledge of intelligence briefings, the Post says that Russia hacked the RNC in addition to the DNC but did not leak its information on Republicans because it wanted to aid Trump’s campaign.
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*claims* *anonymous sources* *secret assessment*

If it's real make it public, not veiled in shadows and leaked to the most biased anti-Trump publication. Until then, I'm beyond skeptical.

[FAH1223]

I trust Greenwald's take considering he's already responded to previous "unverified intelligence" stories and had WaPo retract them in part. His connections are too good, and anyone in cyber security business knows any Russian actor wouldn't use a Russian IP address, not leave behind a Russian encoded PDF:

"The Washington Post late Friday night published an explosive story that, in many ways, is classic American journalism of the worst sort: the key claims are based exclusively on the unverified assertions of anonymous officials, who in turn are disseminating their own claims about what the CIA purportedly believes, all based on evidence that remains completely secret."

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

Exactly. Plus, the WaPo story goes with 2nd hand claims. I mean, seriously. If you're going to write a story, produce some damn evidence. It's all speculation,

Even if it turns out that the Russians did hack the DNC and gave the information to Wikileaks... how many countries around the world have we interfered with? How many regime change operations has the same CIA performed? I mean, seriously! Did the Russians prevent Hillary from traveling to Wisconsin?

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[Wizardspride]

WaPo only prints REAL NEWS!

REAL NEWS about FAKE NEWS, with protected sources of course. Comey released actual documents, signed. Yet the American public is supposed to believe a story with zero official documents or sources?

Release the CIA report, something official. Then I'm happy to consider the facts. It's difficult to trust the media at this point, their hatred and "anything goes" policy against Trump has made half of the electorate very skeptical of anything they publish.

Until then it's accusing Assange (a refugee in an Ecuadorian embassy for 4+ years avoiding US prosecution) of revealing institutional corruption within the DNC merely by publishing their own corrupt, incrinimating words. Wikileaks didn't write the DNC's emails, nor did they write the past 10+ years of leaks of other sources previously.

I agree.

President Obama SHOULD release the official report.

Forget Mitch McConnell

[AFM]

We oil barons now

[dckingsfan]

Now we will see how corrupt the Republicans are. Republicans spent more taxpayer money on investigating Benghazi than anything else in congressional history. Will they investigate foreign involvement on-behalf of Donald Trump in a U.S. Election? I think there's a better chance of Ernie getting fired first.

You do realize the alleged hacking is only Wikileaks right? Nothing to do with unconnected electronic voting machines. So the US is going to investigate Assange, who've they intend to convict for hacking?

Maybe they can subpoena Snowden and Chelsea Manning as expert witnesses as well. The establishment/MSM will kick and scream all the way to Inauguration Day. Criticize "fake news" as they fabricate their own propaganda.

This is stuff of 3rd world lore. Castro is laughing in his grave, right out of his pagebook.

Been following the news - sounds like the CIA has some proof - good hard cold facts Although I doubt it would become reading material for us - unless the NY Times can leak it somehow.

But you have one point right - that isn't why Hillary lost. She beat herself.

[closg00]

So the bait-n-switch Secretary of State show is over and the most important diplomatic position in government goes to an oil conglomerate CEO with zero political experience. However, Rex Tillerson has strong ties to Russia and is good friends with Putin, so he's a perfect fit in a Trump administration.