Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[SUPERBALLMAN]

...Mahinmi/Admiral for TT would be reasonable trade IMO....

Why? Why should we give them more than Mahinmi on his own? Please explain.

Thompson wants out. They have no intention (& would have no ability) to retain him next season. They aren't going anywhere this season, so it doesn't matter to them if Thompson is "better" than Mahinmi. & a straight swap saves them $3m.

Why would we give them another asset of any kind? To be nice? To...? Why?

Well if they'll do it straight up then fine. But there might be other teams interested, or we just may need a little sweetener. But it would in part be "to be nice" to Admiral, because I just don't see him getting a shot here the way Bonga has emerged at the same position. Also, my motivation to include him is I believe he is a guaranteed contract next year and I'd like to open the roster spot for Matthews. The roster I listed is 15 without Admiral.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

David Aldridge: As other media has written, Thompson’s reps are definitely looking to get him out of Cleveland, though. I wrote a couple of weeks ago that I expected he would likely generate more trade interest by the deadline than Kevin Love, for multiple reasons. – via Twitter davidaldridgedc

[queridiculo]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

What contender needs a rim protecting big?

Is there a market for Ian?

How about Mahinmi to the Clips for Harkless and McGruder?

[nate33]

What contender needs a rim protecting big?

Is there a market for Ian?

How about Mahinmi to the Clips for Harkless and McGruder?

There's no market for Mahinmi. Guys like Biyombo should be available on the buyout market. Teams would rather just grab him than sacrifice a useful player like Harkless just to get Mahinmi.

[nate33]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

Yeah, I like Capela. I'm willing to give Bryant and Wagner another year to develop though. NBA defense takes time to master.

[payitforward]

...Mahinmi/Admiral for TT would be reasonable trade IMO....

Why? Why should we give them more than Mahinmi on his own? Please explain.

Thompson wants out. They have no intention (& would have no ability) to retain him next season. They aren't going anywhere this season, so it doesn't matter to them if Thompson is "better" than Mahinmi. & a straight swap saves them $3m.

Why would we give them another asset of any kind? To be nice? To...? Why?

Well if they'll do it straight up then fine. But there might be other teams interested, or we just may need a little sweetener. But it would in part be "to be nice" to Admiral, because I just don't see him getting a shot here the way Bonga has emerged at the same position. Also, my motivation to include him is I believe he is a guaranteed contract next year and I'd like to open the roster spot for Matthews. The roster I listed is 15 without Admiral.

Well, if there's competition for Thompson such that one has to overpay, then don't trade for him! Find someone who doesn't have to be bought at an above market price.

Admiral is guaranteed for next year wherever he winds up. His money is safe. As to getting a shot, that's up to how he plays. I do understand your motivation to open a spot for Mathews, but again I don't see an issue. I don't exactly recall your roster of 15, but surely you don't think it's written in stone!

In fact, we have lots of roster room -- 8 guaranteed salaries right now, plus Bonga & Pasecniks, & 2 rookies makes 12. Even if we did bring back Bertans & add Thompson, we'd have room for Mathews. Nor are we going to be appreciably better next year than we are this year -- somewhat better, to be sure, but not even vaguely competitive for R2 of the playoffs.

Bringing on mediocre veterans is the quickest way to irrelevance. Paying a little extra for them because "what's the difference?" just accelerates the process. I wonder how many times people on this board will have to watch that happen -- as it has over and over for the last many years -- before they figure it out.

[Ruzious]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What a great trade by Atlanta. It'll be interesting to see how effective Collins and Capella are together. Do they make other teams adjust to them, or do they get sucked into trying to adjust to other teams? And this also gives Bruno Fernando time to learn. I think Capella's family is from Angola - which is where Bruno's from.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Their tripping on acid.

The grizz are dead set on getting a first out of him.

Igoudal for Mahinmi

Simple deal that Memphis loves and so do DC fans, Wall and Beal.

Who cares if Igoudala plays? His cache raises the Wizards status .

If the Wizards trade for a veteran at the deadline -- other than maybe an expiring salary for another expiring salary -- we can begin to conclude that nothing is changing.

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[dckingsfan]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What a great trade by Atlanta. It'll be interesting to see how effective Collins and Capella are together. Do they make other teams adjust to them, or do they get sucked into trying to adjust to other teams? And this also gives Bruno Fernando time to learn. I think Capella's family is from Angola - which is where Bruno's from.

I have to think that Collins just became available? A better fit next to Capella would be Bertrans - just saying.

But yes, a Young/Capella P&R should be very solid. And Capella helps with Young's defensive liabilities.

[queridiculo]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What a great trade by Atlanta. It'll be interesting to see how effective Collins and Capella are together. Do they make other teams adjust to them, or do they get sucked into trying to adjust to other teams? And this also gives Bruno Fernando time to learn. I think Capella's family is from Angola - which is where Bruno's from.

I have to think that Collins just became available? A better fit next to Capella would be Bertrans - just saying.

But yes, a Young/Capella P&R should be very solid. And Capella helps with Young's defensive liabilities.

Collins is a natural PF and is under contract through 2021.

It would seem to make more sense to explore the fit between Collins and Capela than to make a move at the moment.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Why?

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

One day. They can want 10 first round picks but won't get them. Who in their right mind would give a first for a half season on an aging player on an expiring deal? Ernie Grunfeld is not in a front office. Giving a first for Randy Foye and Mike Miller for one full season was IDIOT LEVEL DUMB.

Igoudala hasn't even played this season! Screw what the Grizzlies want. They're tripping on acid if they think someone will bite!

Why would it be DAMNED GOOD DEAL FOR MEMPHIS? Ian Mahinmi fits perfectly in with they're needs. Backup C who defends better than Jonas V. Excellent locker room guy for Jaren Jackson Jr. Not a guy who would hate on Memphis like Iggy has done. Salary slightly less than Igoudala's.

This is a great idea IMO.

Igoudal for Mahinmi

Simple deal that Memphis loves and so do DC fans, Wall and Beal.

Who cares if Igoudala plays? His cache raises the Wizards status .

If the Wizards trade for a veteran at the deadline -- other than maybe an expiring salary for another expiring salary -- we can begin to conclude that nothing is changing.

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Why would Memphis do that? They want value for Iggy. Trading him for an expiring contract does nothing.

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[payitforward]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

Yeah, I like Capela. I'm willing to give Bryant and Wagner another year to develop though. NBA defense takes time to master.

Definitely a nice move for Atlanta.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nate I did forget Bradley cannot be traded until the season ends.

I just do not understand how management can be forced to do anything especially when that player is under contract long-term. Let him complain if he becomes impatient. Keep him until the right offer comes along.

Don't do a Chris Webber like trade even if Bradley bill becomes very unhappy.

Trade Beal would be the smart, UN-WIZARDS idea.

The Wizards would probably win more games with Troy Brown Jr at SG than with Beal. Rebounding at the G position and better ball distribution would help more than shot jacking.

I feel like the Wizards are going to do something stupid so that Beal can stop complaining.

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Beal can't be traded until the offseason.

As I've said on multiple occasions, I absolutely would trade Beal for Simmons this summer.

I fear that Beal's impatience in the rebuild is ultimately going to force management to do something stupid. Every single effing time we start to build an asset base, management always short circuits the process by going for win-now players before the asset base is ready. Whether that's Webber for Richmond, Wallace for Strickland, #5 for Jamison, #6 for Mike Miller, or mid firsts for Gortat and Morris; we always trade future potential for a short term fix and ultimately cap off our potential at 49 wins instead of actual contention.

I can understand Beal's impatience. He wants to win and build a legacy. But it's a bad move for our franchise. If an opportunity presents itself to trade Beal for a legit top notch star who we can build around, we should do it. Such opportunities don't come along often. Ben Simmons is that rare opportunity.

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[Ruzious]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What a great trade by Atlanta. It'll be interesting to see how effective Collins and Capella are together. Do they make other teams adjust to them, or do they get sucked into trying to adjust to other teams? And this also gives Bruno Fernando time to learn. I think Capella's family is from Angola - which is where Bruno's from.

I have to think that Collins just became available? A better fit next to Capella would be Bertrans - just saying.

But yes, a Young/Capella P&R should be very solid. And Capella helps with Young's defensive liabilities.

No on Collins, Atl has to at least see how this team does the rest of the season - hopefully with everyone healthy. Collins gets to focus on playing PF, and Hunter gets to focus on playing the 3. I think everything starts to fit for them. And they don't even have to run plays for Capella - which makes everyone else on that team happy.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

They better hold on to Thomas Bryant unless they get something even better.

...As I've been saying.. Ted has no intention of a longterm extended rebuild.

Mahinmi and potentially Thomas Bryant will be gone by Thursday, I wish them the best.

1. What Ted intends has no effect on reality. The only kind of "rebuild" that actually exists is a "long-term extended rebuild." Of course, you may still be right (history is on your side). The result will be a complete debacle.

2. If it's Mahinmi alone who's gone, that tells us nothing about the Wizards' intentions (depending on who/what they take back, of course).

3. If Bryant is gone, then we learn a lot. Above all, we learn what we had every reason to fear: much of Ernie's mess was actually created by Ted. We'll soon see another such mess. I'm starting to hope you are right that there's a good chance we land Ujiri. He would tell Ted to butt out (& maybe educate him some as well).

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[Ruzious]

The player Atlanta should trade now is Jabari Parker.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I agree with the plan should be simple.

How about Wizards do nothing at all and just wait and see how the future pans out when Wall comes back??

Bring back Wall today if he's ready!

What about a core Wall, Beal, Love, Drummond ?? ... https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7282011

Esshhh... For the life of me I cant understand why some of you'll want to make these trades. Overpaid, overrated, dinosaurs that will cap us out and make us a 5th seed...No thanks.

The plans should be simple. Evaluate the Wall/Beal backcourt next year, develop Brown, Rui, Bryant, etc., hit on a top 10 pick this year...
Thats it.

Assuming all of those things end of in a positive direction, then we will be a 45-50 team and re-evaluate the possible addition of a another mid 20's vet using some combination of picks and young players... But we are at least 1, if not two trade deadlines from that kinda move.

Hallelujah -- someone talking sense!

Let's just hope that our fear that we trade young & future for old & now (which turns out to be "past") is just the ghost of Ernie past. Otherwise... we are cooked.

?

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Mo Udall? I have not been reading enough text or post to know who MU is.

Even though this is the trade forum I'm thinking more about the center named Wiseman and Jalen Smith of Maryland.

The one Center that I would love them to try to trade for is the kid at Minnesota Karl Anthony Towns.

Dolan's gonna spend the GDP of a small nation to get MU I don't think Ted can out spend Dolan.

...As I've been saying.. Ted has no intention of a longterm extended rebuild.

Mahinmi and potentially Thomas Bryant will be gone by Thursday, I wish them the best.

1. What Ted intends has no effect on reality. The only kind of "rebuild" that actually exists is a "long-term extended rebuild." Of course, you may still be right (history is on your side). The result will be a complete debacle.

2. If it's Mahinmi alone who's gone, that tells us nothing about the Wizards' intentions (depending on who/what they take back, of course).

3. If Bryant is gone, then we learn a lot. Above all, we learn what we had every reason to fear: much of Ernie's mess was actually created by Ted. We'll soon see another such mess. I'm starting to hope you are right that there's a good chance we land Ujiri. He would tell Ted to butt out (& maybe educate him some as well).

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Totally agree.

Just let who is already on the roster grow into even more Dynamic players.

...As I've been saying.. Ted has no intention of a longterm extended rebuild.

Mahinmi and potentially Thomas Bryant will be gone by Thursday, I wish them the best.

1. What Ted intends has no effect on reality. The only kind of "rebuild" that actually exists is a "long-term extended rebuild." Of course, you may still be right (history is on your side). The result will be a complete debacle.

2. If it's Mahinmi alone who's gone, that tells us nothing about the Wizards' intentions (depending on who/what they take back, of course).

3. If Bryant is gone, then we learn a lot. Above all, we learn what we had every reason to fear: much of Ernie's mess was actually created by Ted. We'll soon see another such mess. I'm starting to hope you are right that there's a good chance we land Ujiri. He would tell Ted to butt out (& maybe educate him some as well).

I agree with Ill that Ted doesnt want a long (4-5 year) rebuild, but that doesnt equate to being a buyer now.
Last year was NOT a rebuilding year, it just turned out that way near the deadline.
This year was a rebuilding year, obviously.
Next year will begin the ramp up of another 2-3 year run with Wall and Beal.

So thats like 1.5-2 years of rebuilding, not prolonged in any way.
I believe they will let Brooks coach out his last year, gauge the Wall/Beal dynamic, and further develop the young players.

Again, I believe Brown, Bonga, Bertans, Bryant, Rui, and our 2020 pick will far and away be the most dynamic, athletic, talented, and youthful group Wall and Beal have ever been around. Sprinkle in a Full MLE player and a decent Vet min player and we might have a very interesting 8-10 man rotation.

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