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2024 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1101 » by prime1time » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:11 pm

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prime1time wrote:How do we make sense of the fact that people are arguing that Risacher can't become better at creating on ball while also having just witnessed the emergence of Deni Avdija after 3 years lackluster on ball play? Imo, Risacher is better at on ball creation as a prospect than Avdija was.


I assume your misremembering Deni as a prospect?

Deni was always a point forward with solid ballhandling. He was a slasher but the jumper needed work and it was his swing skill. That sounds nothing like Risacher.


Youngest MVP in Israeli league history.

Per36 Deni averaged: 15 points 7.8 rebounds 3.3 assists 1.1 steals 1.1 blocks 2.6 turnovers with a 59.1% TS in 59 total games, 26 games in Euroleague.

People forget how good of a prospect Deni was.

You thought Avdija's ball handling was good as a rookie? He literally had no left hand. He couldn't drive left or finish left. Every time he put the ball on the floor as a rookie it was possible that he would turnover the ball. Your post actually proves my point. In terms of actual skill, I think rookie Risacher will be better at attacking with the ball in his hands than Avdija was. I could be wrong. But what I do know is that Risacher right now finishes with both hands. He has a floater. And he can attack with both hands. I also think if you compare their 4th years, Risacher will be better at on ball creation than Avdija. I made posts in the Zaccharie Risacher thread in the draft forum alluding to this.


I don't usually post highlights but with prospects all we are really talking about is flashes. This was not from this year but the year before. 3:27 (btw rare Chris Singleton sighting lol). He's way better at creating than people think.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1102 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:19 pm

Clingan

High end: Gobert
Low end: Kessler

*ranks him below Sarr/Risacher*
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1103 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:38 pm

It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1104 » by tontoz » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:42 pm

prime1time wrote:Risacher will be better at on ball creation than Avdija



So you have a crystal ball?

Deni was bullying guys routinely taking it to the basket this season. Somehow i doubt we will see that from Risacher any time soon, if ever.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1105 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:52 pm

dckingsfan wrote:It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).


The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1106 » by J-Ves » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:21 pm

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).


The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

I don’t think our FO does that deal if Sarr is available. They loved Bilal last year and Sarr has many of the same qualities
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1107 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:26 pm

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NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).

The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

I don’t think our FO does that deal if Sarr is available. They loved Bilal last year and Sarr has many of the same qualities

I don't think our FO has tipped its hand. I agree with NatP4, I think it is the right deal for the Wizards at this point (opinion).

But at this point - the FO is terrific at obfuscating what they are going to do... so :dontknow:
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1108 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:03 pm

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NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).


The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

I don’t think our FO does that deal if Sarr is available. They loved Bilal last year and Sarr has many of the same qualities


Think the big difference is Bilal flashed star potential that Sarr has not. At the junior level, Bilal put up: 24.5 points 7.3 rebounds 2.8 assists 2.9 steals 1.3 blocks on 63% TS in 16 games.

For reference, Risacher’s junior numbers: 16.5 points 7.4 rebounds 4.9 assists 2.1 steals 0.8 blocks 4.5 turnovers 52% TS in 11 games.

I go back and forth. I think our FO loves Topic but the injuries/medical are a huge factor.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1109 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:05 pm

NatP4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
NatP4 wrote:The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

I don’t think our FO does that deal if Sarr is available. They loved Bilal last year and Sarr has many of the same qualities


Think the big difference is Bilal flashed star potential that Sarr has not. At the junior level, Bilal put up: 24.5 points 7.3 rebounds 2.8 assists 2.9 steals 1.3 blocks on 63% TS in 16 games.

For reference, Risacher’s junior numbers: 16.5 points 7.4 rebounds 4.9 assists 2.1 steals 0.8 blocks 4.5 turnovers 52% TS in 11 games.

I go back and forth. I think our FO loves Topic but the injuries/medical are a huge factor.

My dream would be to get Castle with 7 and Topic with 14... I know, I know.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1110 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:08 am

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).


The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

Oh yes! But, the Portland board is not making the trades! & I assume the Front Office will be unlikely to follow their lead.

OTOH, 7 & 14 for 2 plus 26 is too rich for them. So... I keep coming back to the idea I've mentioned, oh... not above a hundred times (as Captain Jack Aubrey might say) -- 2 & 26 for 7, 14, 34 & 40.

We need rookies. Some of them turn into really good players. We don't have much by way of really good players at present. Cast a wide net. That's how OKC has done it. I'm counting on Will to do the same here.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1111 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:23 am

payitforward wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It does seem like Risacher is trending towards Atlanta. I wouldn't be unhappy watching Risacher, Deni and Bilal as our wings - just don't think it is going to happen. Atlanta won 36 games and could use a wing that can hit the open 3.

Unless Portland sees Sarr next to Ayton, then I think we are drafting #2.

I really don't know what the FO is going to do, they have been really good at obfuscating their intents (yay!).


The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

Oh yes! But, the Portland board is not making the trades! & I assume the Front Office will be unlikely to follow their lead.

OTOH, 7 & 14 for 2 plus 26 is too rich for them. So... I keep coming back to the idea I've mentioned, oh... not above a hundred times (as Captain Jack Aubrey might say) -- 2 & 26 for 7, 14, 34 & 40.

We need rookies. Some of them turn into really good players. We don't have much by way of really good players at present. Cast a wide net. That's how OKC has done it. I'm counting on Will to do the same here.

I am good with this too. But I am sold on Castle (more on that).

And if we could then package up some or all of 34 & 40 & 51 for future draft assets, count me in. Or if we could move up a slot or two to take Topic as well. But that is me - I am sure this FO actually has a plan.

Back to Castle: I think that Castle, Deni, Bilal is something to build around where defense is the theme. My 1/2 cent.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1112 » by doclinkin » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:52 am

NatP4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
The Portland board was talking about 7&14 for 2 if Sarr is on the board. No question, that is the right move for us.

I don’t think our FO does that deal if Sarr is available. They loved Bilal last year and Sarr has many of the same qualities


Think the big difference is Bilal flashed star potential that Sarr has not. At the junior level, Bilal put up: 24.5 points 7.3 rebounds 2.8 assists 2.9 steals 1.3 blocks on 63% TS in 16 games.

For reference, Risacher’s junior numbers: 16.5 points 7.4 rebounds 4.9 assists 2.1 steals 0.8 blocks 4.5 turnovers 52% TS in 11 games.


Sarr didn't even put up dominant stats in High School ball with Overtime Elite

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Alex-Sarr/Summary/162806#HighSchool

9.6 points and 5.7 boards, shooting 45%. At 7'1" he couldn't crack double figures in scoring in high school ball. Had two double doubles the whole season. One block per game in high school does not impress me. I would definitely trade 2 for #7 and #14.

7 Castle or Ron Holland.
14 Devin Carter or Jared McCain.
26 DaRon Holmes.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1113 » by doclinkin » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:05 am

doclinkin wrote:https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nba-draft-workout-tracker/

The known list of players to have worked out with the Wizards:

Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide 36ers (NBL)
Xavier Johnson, Southern Illinois
Pelle Larsson, Arizona
Ugonna Onyenso, Kentucky






Onyenso withdrew from the draft. Going back to school, entering the transfer portal.

FLowers, Baltimore kid playing in Australia. Shows flashes. Interesting.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1114 » by NatP4 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:06 am

doclinkin wrote:Sarr didn't even put up dominant stats in High School ball with Overtime Elite

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Alex-Sarr/Summary/162806#HighSchool

9.6 points and 5.7 boards, shooting 45%. At 7'1" he couldn't crack double figures in scoring in high school ball. Had two double doubles the whole season. One block per game in high school does not impress me. I would definitely trade 2 for #7 and #14.
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I hadn’t looked at Sarr’s OTE stats until today. Extremely underwhelming. 14% from 3 and 56% from FT in 2022, 25% from 3 and 63% from FT in 2023.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1115 » by doclinkin » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:12 am

NatP4 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:Sarr didn't even put up dominant stats in High School ball with Overtime Elite

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Alex-Sarr/Summary/162806#HighSchool

9.6 points and 5.7 boards, shooting 45%. At 7'1" he couldn't crack double figures in scoring in high school ball. Had two double doubles the whole season. One block per game in high school does not impress me. I would definitely trade 2 for #7 and #14.
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I hadn’t looked at Sarr’s OTE stats until today. Extremely underwhelming. 14% from 3 and 56% from FT in 2022, 25% from 3 and 63% from FT in 2023.


Young players get better. Bigs take longer to develop. His numbers are trending in the right direction. And I'm still confident there will be better players drafted after him. I think he might fall though. Other players jump past him.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1116 » by doclinkin » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:19 am



LOL 28 seconds in, Flowers dunks on Sarr and jaws at him. Yeah he's fun. I'd spend our late pick on him, no doubt. Him or Ariel Hukporti
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1117 » by Ed Wood » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:21 am

Topic lasting until 14 would entail his knee having fully ejected his lower leg from the rest of his body. Unless medicals suggest his injury concerns are reasonably serious his lasting until 7 would be a bizarre collective lapse on the part of the front offices in the high lottery.

e: this is reaching back to the comps from the ESPN piece, but the framing of the developmental comps of like Topic and Ron Holland as opposed to Clingan in terms of shooting development is just nonsense. It is not impossible that Clingan will develop enough as a perimeter shooter to make that at least a somewhat relevant NBA skill, but baking that into his comps to imply that's as likely as the shooting development of much more perimeter oriented players who are already at least in streaks capable of being impactful shooters and particularly in Topic's case a very strong set of peripherals for further improvement is wild stuff.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1118 » by NatP4 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:37 am

Ed Wood wrote:Topic lasting until 14 would entail his knee having fully ejected his lower leg from the rest of his body. Unless medicals suggest his injury concerns are reasonably serious his lasting until 7 would be a bizarre collective lapse on the part of the front offices in the high lottery.


KOC has Topic dropping to 8 in his new mock(behind Salaun at 7).

Hopefully we find out some more information tomorrow at the international combine event, but I still have a hard time thinking a minor(or even major) knee injury should have any influence on our picking/not picking Topic. This should be a long term approach, targeting BPA for the next 10-15 years.

I still have Topic as the best prospect in this draft by a significant margin.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1119 » by Ed Wood » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:41 am

I certainly don't know any better than people paid to do something draft-related, but I feel reasonably strongly that Topic has about as much case as anyone other than Sarr at a top pick and if his knee stuff is genuinely making him available at a spot like seven that's a very compelling case to me to try very hard to engineer one of the pick accumulating trade-downs, because I'd probably default to drafting him at two unless my medical staff was determined that I shouldn't.
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