Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[Rafael122]

McGee/Blatche/Young/Turiaf/Mo Evans for Josh Smith/Zaza/'13 1st round pick.

PG - Wall
SG - Crawford
SF - Singleton
PF - Smith
C - Zaza

Bench: Seraphin, Vesely, Booker, Mack, Mason, and Lewis.

We'd have no bench and no guards, maybe bring one up from the D-League or something.

[fishercob]

Actually, you know what could be scary? Josh Smith to New Jersey for Brook Lopez, expiring filler (Hump or Okur) and a first round pick.

ATL gets a RFA center to pair with Horford and a pick to add cheap talent (dunno if they could get this year's though).

Smith and Dwight Howard were AAU teammates with the Atlanta Celtics. Those guys with Deron Williams and some shooters would be pretty damn good.

[LyricalRico]

Or how about this...

Wizards trade: McGee, Turiaf, Young, and Singleton
Wizards receive: Josh Smith

Hawks trade: Josh Smith and 2012 first
Hawks receive: Rondo and McGee

Celtics trade: Rondo and JO
Celtics receive: Okafor, Jack, and ATL first

Hornets trade: Okafor and Jack
Hornets receive: JO, Turiaf, Young, and Singleton

NOH clears cap and gets a prospect. Boston gets frontcourt help and a pick. Atlanta balances out their roster. Washington acquires a starting quality big.

Ideally we'd follow that up with a swap of Blatche for a wing player, but I havn't figured that one out yet.

[fishercob]

McGee/Blatche/Young/Turiaf/Mo Evans for Josh Smith/Zaza/'13 1st round pick.

PG - Wall
SG - Crawford
SF - Singleton
PF - Smith
C - Zaza

Bench: Seraphin, Vesely, Booker, Mack, Mason, and Lewis.

We'd have no bench and no guards, maybe bring one up from the D-League or something.

ATL would laugh in our faces. We're not going to be able to include Blatche, Zaza, or a pick from them.

It would be McGee, Turiaf, Young and likely some pick consideration from us for Smith.

[queridiculo]

Not sure why Atlanta would go for it.

Josh Smith along with a lottery pick and some offseason moves could very well make the Wizards a playoff contender, in the same division no less.

Atlanta in turn gives up salary cap flexibility, Smith and Pachulia expire after next season, for the right to resign McGee, a potential mid round pick and a malcontent in Andray Blatche.

I know I wouldn't agree to that deal as the Hawks GM unless my life depended on it.

Curious though, would anyone be willing to go for something like this:

McGee, Rashard Lewis, 2012 lottery pick for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams and Atlanta's 2012 1st rounder?

We definitely give up a lot, and it would be catastrophic if we end up winning the lottery, but we end up with a squad that could well end up finishing 3 - 6 in the East.

[Ruzious]

If we can get Josh Smith (or Horford) without giving up Wall or any picks - make it so.

[Rafael122]

Not sure why Atlanta would go for it.

Josh Smith along with a lottery pick and some offseason moves could very well make the Wizards a playoff contender, in the same division no less.

Atlanta in turn gives up salary cap flexibility, Smith and Pachulia expire after next season, for the right to resign McGee, a potential mid round pick and a malcontent in Andray Blatche.

I know I wouldn't agree to that deal as the Hawks GM unless my life depended on it.

Curious though, would anyone be willing to go for something like this:

McGee, Rashard Lewis, 2012 lottery pick for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams and Atlanta's 2012 1st rounder?

'12 and '13 picks are off limits for me if I were the Wizards GM.

I would definitely try and get rid of 1 or 2 of the 3 malcontents: McGee, Blatche, and Young. Pair them up with one of our "young prospects" and see what happens.

Ideally, I'd trade Blatche + Young + Vesely for Smith. No pick necessary.

Wall and Smith would be the building blocks, we still keep Singleton and Booker. If we win the lottery, McGee is as good as gone, so you're starting lineup would consist of Wall/Smith/Davis. Add a couple of shooters and this is a playoff team next year.

Hell I'd even try and do some sort of sign and trade with the Bulls, Korver and Asik for McGee.

[LyricalRico]

Or how about this...

Wizards trade: McGee, Turiaf, Young, and Singleton
Wizards receive: Josh Smith

Hawks trade: Josh Smith and 2012 first
Hawks receive: Rondo and McGee

Celtics trade: Rondo and JO
Celtics receive: Okafor, Jack, and ATL first

Hornets trade: Okafor and Jack
Hornets receive: JO, Turiaf, Young, and Singleton

NOH clears cap and gets a prospect. Boston gets frontcourt help and a pick. Atlanta balances out their roster. Washington acquires a starting quality big.

Ideally we'd follow that up with a swap of Blatche for a wing player, but I havn't figured that one out yet.

Actually, we might be able to just add a Blatche for Marvin swap. Here's the updated deal:

Wizards trade: McGee, Turiaf, Young, Singleton, Blatche, and Seraphin
Wizards receive: Smith and Williams

Hawks trade: Smith, Williams, and 2012 first
Hawks receive: Rondo, McGee, Blatche, and Singleton

Celtics trade: Rondo and JO
Celtics receive: Okafor, Jack, and ATL first

Hornets trade: Okafor and Jack
Hornets receive: JO, Turiaf, Young, and Seraphin

Hmmm...now Boston is sticking out like a sore thumb as not getting enough. Oh well, back to the drawing board!

[no D in Hibachi]

Ugh, please no more Emeka or Kaman, Wiz fans. These guys are just as bad as what we're putting out right now, AND they're more expensive, so they may actually be worse than what we're putting out.

Emeka is still living off his run at Uconn. Besides one seasons when he was carried by Chris Paul (and they still weren't very good mind you--46-36) he's been on last place teams his entire career. His career winning % is 38%. His PER has decreased every season the last 4 years. At this point he's merely an average player, which is obviously better than Blatche, but that's not what we're aiming for. He's just not a winning player and perpetuates the losing culture because frankly, that's what he is.

Not only that, we're dumping McGee in the process, who at this stage is immensely more talented than Okafor and produces at a higher rate than Okafor does. If we're deadset on dumping McGee for inferior talent we should at least be shipping out Blatche with him. The first round pick will probably be 14 or 15, which is basically more of the same. Flawed prospect with questionable upside...Serphin, Crawford, Singleton, and Booker.

[MD's Finest]

If we can get Josh Smith (or Horford) without giving up Wall or any picks - make it so.

I would love to add Horford, we could play him at his natural 4 position also. Smith I like as well but Im a bit more iffy on him but I would probably do it. I also saw espn mentioned Paul Milsap potentially being available and I think he would be a great add as well. THe only problem with all these guys is what can we really offer to get them. Unless a team just wants cap space back dont see what we can offer, Mcgee has some value I guess but not sure if that gets it done to bring in any of these guys.

[JAR69]

Actually, you know what could be scary? Josh Smith to New Jersey for Brook Lopez, expiring filler (Hump or Okur) and a first round pick.

ATL gets a RFA center to pair with Horford and a pick to add cheap talent (dunno if they could get this year's though).

Smith and Dwight Howard were AAU teammates with the Atlanta Celtics. Those guys with Deron Williams and some shooters would be pretty damn good.

That would be pretty hard to accomplish under the cap. Deron's player option is for 17.8 million next year, and Smith will make $13.2. If the cap is $58-59 million, there would be space for Dwight only if NJ shed some salary and picks. I don't think NJ would want to handcuff themselves like that.

[fishercob]

Actually, you know what could be scary? Josh Smith to New Jersey for Brook Lopez, expiring filler (Hump or Okur) and a first round pick.

ATL gets a RFA center to pair with Horford and a pick to add cheap talent (dunno if they could get this year's though).

Smith and Dwight Howard were AAU teammates with the Atlanta Celtics. Those guys with Deron Williams and some shooters would be pretty damn good.

That would be pretty hard to accomplish under the cap. Deron's player option is for 17.8 million next year, and Smith will make $13.2. If the cap is $58-59 million, there would be space for Dwight only if NJ shed some salary and picks. I don't think NJ would want to handcuff themselves like that.

According to sham (http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... s/nets.jsp) they'd have about $40M committed with Williams, Smith, Morrow, Petro, Brooks and JOrdan Willams. If Dwight made them, I'm sure they could clear some cap room by attaching Brooks to Petro in a trade into pure cap space. Dwight would be smarter to just take a little less (still $18M+) and just sign there outright. They could keep their pick and potentially add Barnes or Perry JOnes or Lamb. Or they could trade whomever they draft (along with Petro or whomever) for a high quality role player or two.

[nate33]

I'm not that thrilled with the idea of getting Smith. First of all, he can't shoot. He'd be a bad fit for the same reasons that Vesely and Booker don't fit well. Secondly, we already have a poor man's Smith in Trevor Booker, only he's cheaper, younger and has a better attitude.

I'm not denying Smith's talent. I'm intrigued by the value we get back in a McGee for Smith trade. I'd just prefer that it be some kind of 3-way where we get back a skilled player at a position of greater need. If we could somehow end up with Batum or Brook Lopez, I'd be much more excited.

[DallasShalDune]

I'm on team McGee-for-Batum.

[Ruzious]

I'm not that thrilled with the idea of getting Smith. First of all, he can't shoot. He'd be a bad fit for the same reasons that Vesely and Booker don't fit well. Secondly, we already have a poor man's Smith in Trevor Booker, only he's cheaper, younger and has a better attitude.

I'm not denying Smith's talent. I'm intrigued by the value we get back in a McGee for Smith trade. I'd just prefer that it be some kind of 3-way where we get back a skilled player at a position of greater need. If we could somehow end up with Batum or Brook Lopez, I'd be much more excited.

Meh, good luck if you're looking for the perfect player. Smith isn't a great shooter, but he's certainly adequate for a PF, and he'd probably be better if he ever played with a legit PG. And even though Booker might win a sprint contest, Smith is a far better transition player than Booker - something that would really help Wall. And Smith is a difference-maker on the defensive end. Ya know - there's a reason Atlanta has a good record every season.

[Dat2U]

I'm not that thrilled with the idea of getting Smith. First of all, he can't shoot. He'd be a bad fit for the same reasons that Vesely and Booker don't fit well. Secondly, we already have a poor man's Smith in Trevor Booker, only he's cheaper, younger and has a better attitude.

I'm not denying Smith's talent. I'm intrigued by the value we get back in a McGee for Smith trade. I'd just prefer that it be some kind of 3-way where we get back a skilled player at a position of greater need. If we could somehow end up with Batum or Brook Lopez, I'd be much more excited.

Meh, good luck if you're looking for the perfect player. Smith isn't a great shooter, but he's certainly adequate for a PF, and he'd probably be better if he ever played with a legit PG. And even though Booker might win a sprint contest, Smith is a far better transition player than Booker - something that would really help Wall. And Smith is a difference-maker on the defensive end. Ya know - there's a reason Atlanta has a good record every season.

Agreed. He'd clearly become the 2nd best player we have. He's not a perfect fit, but his acquistion would be a good consolidation of mediocre assets. And don't forget that Smith is Dwight Howard's best friend so who knows, maybe Howard would like the idea of playing with Wall & Smith.

[7-Day Dray]

Ugh, please no more Emeka or Kaman, Wiz fans. These guys are just as bad as what we're putting out right now, AND they're more expensive, so they may actually be worse than what we're putting out.

Emeka is still living off his run at Uconn. Besides one seasons when he was carried by Chris Paul (and they still weren't very good mind you--46-36) he's been on last place teams his entire career. His career winning % is 38%. His PER has decreased every season the last 4 years. At this point he's merely an average player, which is obviously better than Blatche, but that's not what we're aiming for. He's just not a winning player and perpetuates the losing culture because frankly, that's what he is.

Not only that, we're dumping McGee in the process, who at this stage is immensely more talented than Okafor and produces at a higher rate than Okafor does. If we're deadset on dumping McGee for inferior talent we should at least be shipping out Blatche with him. The first round pick will probably be 14 or 15, which is basically more of the same. Flawed prospect with questionable upside...Serphin, Crawford, Singleton, and Booker.

[tontoz]

Smith has All-Star talent but he won't do the things necessary to be a star. I don't if it is stupidity or just the inability to accept his limitations.

In theory it would be nice to have him running alongside Wall on the break. In reality he would be trying to lead the break himself after he gets a defensive rebound, ignoring Wall. That's just how he is. He tries to lead the break all the time and it winds up with a bad shot or a turnover far too often.

His current TS% is 48.7. He is taking 6 shots a game from 16 to 23 feet and is shooting them at 31%. He refuses to accept the fact that he is not a good shooter. Meanwhile he is shooting 68% on attempts at the rim. You would think he would realize the need to take fewer jumpers and play closer to the basket but....no.

Defense is a different story. His IQ is far higher on the defensive end and he came into the league with the mindset to play defense.

He is the most frustrating player that I have ever actually liked.

[fishercob]

I'm not that thrilled with the idea of getting Smith. First of all, he can't shoot. He'd be a bad fit for the same reasons that Vesely and Booker don't fit well. Secondly, we already have a poor man's Smith in Trevor Booker, only he's cheaper, younger and has a better attitude.

I'm not denying Smith's talent. I'm intrigued by the value we get back in a McGee for Smith trade. I'd just prefer that it be some kind of 3-way where we get back a skilled player at a position of greater need. If we could somehow end up with Batum or Brook Lopez, I'd be much more excited.

Meh, good luck if you're looking for the perfect player. Smith isn't a great shooter, but he's certainly adequate for a PF, and he'd probably be better if he ever played with a legit PG. And even though Booker might win a sprint contest, Smith is a far better transition player than Booker - something that would really help Wall. And Smith is a difference-maker on the defensive end. Ya know - there's a reason Atlanta has a good record every season.

You do make some good points, Ruz. What Smith doesn't do well is fairly apparent, and yet Atlanta is 23-16 with no Horford and a roster full of guys collecting social security. We would really need screeners and shooters and BBIQ guys, but Smith can play.

One downside with Smith is that he really eliminates power forwards from our draft board, other than Davis (Davis may end up with the size to play center anyhow). But with Smith in tow, I don't see the sense in drafting Robinson or Sullinger. Smith cannot play the SF at all. And although he projects as a center, I'd be very concerned about drafting Drummond to play with Smith. I'd be concerned about overall BBIQ, work habits, etc.

Tough one.

[truwizfan4evr]

I would like smith and wall together as a duio. Then have a top pick at that.