Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

My eyes say he's about my height, and I'm 5' 8".

I guess by NBA standards, they'll add 1 1/2" for shoes, and he could measure 5' 10". There's no way Pierre Jackson is 5'10".

[DANNYLANDOVER]

before it said and done, steven adams will be hanging from everyones lips. He will be picked by the wizards if he slips to 9. Highly unlikely. Steven Adams is the best bigman n this draft and he would be the second best bigman on this team day one. Better than booker, vesely, seraphin, and okafor, outstanding bbiq, excellent and establishing deep post position, strong, and coordinated and athletic. Blue chipper all the way.

I doubt he's coming out this year. He would definitely be the best big in college next year.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

What about Willie Cauley? For some reason I keep forgetting about him.

Also sorry, not sure if he's been discussed already & my only access at the moment is my phone and it's a pain to go back and look with this.

[Dr Positivity]

I think you guys are all over looking Olynyk. I think we should take him over both len and zeller.
63% from the field, 7REB, 1 block and 18PPG He is being more underrated than Vucevic was bac in 2011 and Olynyk is, IMO, better than Vucevic was. I think he has the skills to come in and start! I feel he is more of a PF than a center but we need bigs for the future and i would hate to pass up on some one who could be compared to Dirk some day.
But would any one consider using our second 2ed round pick on Sherwood Brown from FGCU?
From the stats, he is an ok shooter, not bad from 3 range, great rebounder for his position and a good defender.
Thing is he is turnover prone and is kind of bad from the FT line.
Thoughts?

I like Olynyk in the 10-12 range... but I LOVED Vucevic where we picked in '11. Vucevic is a better athlete first of all. But the main difference IMO was Vucevic in college was an elite and highly productive rebounder. Both have similar offensive skills, but with Vucevic that was secondary to me. He was an excellent rebounder first and foremost, with nice shooting and complimentary offensive skills. But his rebounding was the sure skill that was going to transfer to the next level and what made him a no-brainer draft pick in my eyes.

Olynyk isn't as strong or athletic and doesn't have the fundamentals Vucevic had. But he does have some nice skills for a 7-footer, and I wouldn't mind at all if he's our pick depending on who's still available. I do have him rated behind Zeller and Len although not by much.

I find Olynyk to be the better athlete than Vucevic. Olynyk's explosiveness is very underrated while Vucevic is relatively grounded. I believe Olynyk has roughly David Lee's athleticism

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[gambitx777]

I like Olynyk in the 10-12 range... but I LOVED Vucevic where we picked in '11. Vucevic is a better athlete first of all. But the main difference IMO was Vucevic in college was an elite and highly productive rebounder. Both have similar offensive skills, but with Vucevic that was secondary to me. He was an excellent rebounder first and foremost, with nice shooting and complimentary offensive skills. But his rebounding was the sure skill that was going to transfer to the next level and what made him a no-brainer draft pick in my eyes.

Olynyk isn't as strong or athletic and doesn't have the fundamentals Vucevic had. But he does have some nice skills for a 7-footer, and I wouldn't mind at all if he's our pick depending on who's still available. I do have him rated behind Zeller and Len although not by much.

I agree with you, N.V. is on another level when is comes to rebounding. but I do think that kelly is a more talented offensive player, i also think that he is on par when it comes to playing D. He plays hard on the D end of the floor. The kid just has a good motor, he might not be a super athlete, but he has skills and his athletic skills are underrated. I do not see him as an NBA center, i see him as a dirk type PF. More so i just think he has that intangible factor that could get him by in the NBA.

About len and zeller, I was all over len a few months ago, i still think he will be a good center. but i would still rather god with kelly because he is so much better on the O end. Something about Zeller just... IDK. I just have a felling about Olynyk.

[Ruzious]

Huge games from Cory Jefferson and the afforementioned Pierre Jackson from Baylor last night. Jefferson didn't get many rebounds but was a dominant inside scorer to complement Jackson's perimeter game. Meanwhile, Isaiah Austin blended into the woodwork. Is anyone still thinking he's someone the Wiz should consider? I do think Austin has some potential (quick-footed legit 7 footers with some shooting skills don't grow on trees), but he needs to get more schooling and fill out a bit before coming to the NBA.

Re Vucevic vs Olynyk, Vucevic is MUCH stronger with great hands. Both have very slow feet on defense. Vucevic is a good player, but people are overrating him here. He is a TERRIBLE defensive player. He combines bad footwork (which can improve over time) on defense with a lack of quickness (which won't improve over time).

[closg00]

The Wizards were unanimous is wanting to draft Jan Vesely, I wonder who they are liking this-year in the 6-10 range.

[payitforward]

Re Vucevic vs Olynyk, Vucevic is MUCH stronger with great hands. Both have very slow feet on defense. Vucevic is a good player, but people are overrating him here. He is a TERRIBLE defensive player. He combines bad footwork (which can improve over time) on defense with a lack of quickness (which won't improve over time).

My lack of quickness has improved over time. I have much better lack of quickness than when I was younger. Prototype lack of quickness really....

Not sure why people want to compare Olynyk and Vucevic on any plane except the way typing their names slows down your fingers (more of that lack of quickness thing...?).

The more people looked at V's tape the more he rose on draft boards. At this point 2 years ago, he was projected in Round 2. What they saw was someone who was very large and a very good rebounder and very young for the experience he'd had (i.e. a very young senior).

Olynyk is a different animal altogether. He's not the rebounder V. was, he's much more of an aggressive, offensive-minded player (more FGAs and gets to the line much more often).

Keep in mind that Vucevic was drafted two years ago -- yet, Olynyk is only 6 months younger than V. You are seeing a guy who's further along in his development as a basketball player.

He might be a great choice for us, but he's nothing like Vucevic.

[Ruzious]

Re Vucevic vs Olynyk, Vucevic is MUCH stronger with great hands. Both have very slow feet on defense. Vucevic is a good player, but people are overrating him here. He is a TERRIBLE defensive player. He combines bad footwork (which can improve over time) on defense with a lack of quickness (which won't improve over time).

My lack of quickness has improved over time. I have much better lack of quickness than when I was younger. Prototype lack of quickness really....

For me, the only quicknesses that've improved over time are fork to mouth and foot to mouth.

[Nivek]

In addition to improved fork to mouth quickness, I've also become much quicker to procrastinate. I can put stuff off till later with blazing speed.

[hands11]

Huge games from Cory Jefferson and the afforementioned Pierre Jackson from Baylor last night. Jefferson didn't get many rebounds but was a dominant inside scorer to complement Jackson's perimeter game. Meanwhile, Isaiah Austin blended into the woodwork. Is anyone still thinking he's someone the Wiz should consider? I do think Austin has some potential (quick-footed legit 7 footers with some shooting skills don't grow on trees), but he needs to get more schooling and fill out a bit before coming to the NBA.

Re Vucevic vs Olynyk, Vucevic is MUCH stronger with great hands. Both have very slow feet on defense. Vucevic is a good player, but people are overrating him here. He is a TERRIBLE defensive player. He combines bad footwork (which can improve over time) on defense with a lack of quickness (which won't improve over time).

Nice to see Pierre and Jefferson getting some love on the board.

As for Nikola Vucevic. Dude is the 3rd leading rebounder for centers in the league. Huge mistake not drafting him that year when rebounding center was exactly what we needed. But that train has left the station.

Austin has never impressed me. Drafting him is not what we need. I have long said he should stay in school.

For the Wizards, I would like this as a draft.

McCollum
Dieng or Witney
Muscala, Kadji or Kelly
Peirre Jackson

That gives them most of what they need right now which is better quality depth on cheap contracts.
A 2nd SG, rebounding C, scoring C/PF, and a skitter bug PG

Jefferson and McDermott are interesting talents but where would they play ? You can't get it all done in one draft. To add Jefferson, they would need to move Booker or Singleton. But hey, if he goes undrafted, bring him in. I don't see him on Draft X or NBAdraft. Maybe the just send him to the DL for a year.

And its all inexpensive talent.

[sfam]

Does anyone still think wizards can still get a quality player around 10-12 range?

With EG picking?

No, not at all. It would be a literal miracle.

[hands11]

Re Vucevic vs Olynyk, Vucevic is MUCH stronger with great hands. Both have very slow feet on defense. Vucevic is a good player, but people are overrating him here. He is a TERRIBLE defensive player. He combines bad footwork (which can improve over time) on defense with a lack of quickness (which won't improve over time).

My lack of quickness has improved over time. I have much better lack of quickness than when I was younger. Prototype lack of quickness really....

Not sure why people want to compare Olynyk and Vucevic on any plane except the way typing their names slows down your fingers (more of that lack of quickness thing...?).

The more people looked at V's tape the more he rose on draft boards. At this point 2 years ago, he was projected in Round 2. What they saw was someone who was very large and a very good rebounder and very young for the experience he'd had (i.e. a very young senior).

Olynyk is a different animal altogether. He's not the rebounder V. was, he's much more of an aggressive, offensive-minded player (more FGAs and gets to the line much more often).

Keep in mind that Vucevic was drafted two years ago -- yet, Olynyk is only 6 months younger than V. You are seeing a guy who's further along in his development as a basketball player.

He might be a great choice for us, but he's nothing like Vucevic.

Vucevic also was very focused. He was already eating correctly and he was working really hard on his game. He also know what kind of player he would be which is a post center. He was a really good prospect and fit what we needed. EG blow that one. If you were eying Kanter and couldn't get him, Vucevic would be your plan B, not Ves.

[sfam]

Huge games from Cory Jefferson and the afforementioned Pierre Jackson from Baylor last night. Jefferson didn't get many rebounds but was a dominant inside scorer to complement Jackson's perimeter game. Meanwhile, Isaiah Austin blended into the woodwork. Is anyone still thinking he's someone the Wiz should consider? I do think Austin has some potential (quick-footed legit 7 footers with some shooting skills don't grow on trees), but he needs to get more schooling and fill out a bit before coming to the NBA.

Re Vucevic vs Olynyk, Vucevic is MUCH stronger with great hands. Both have very slow feet on defense. Vucevic is a good player, but people are overrating him here. He is a TERRIBLE defensive player. He combines bad footwork (which can improve over time) on defense with a lack of quickness (which won't improve over time).

Olynyk could be a nice stretch 4 role player for us. The question would be whether he could be serviceable on defense. We would definitely need a shot blocking center to play with him when he's on the court though.

[gambitx777]

Well, if we cannot get C.J McCollum, we could use our second second round pick on Ray McCallum from Detroit if he comes out. They are very similar players, C.J. is better But Ray has potential.

Also, i would not mind grabbing another late second and picking up Oriakhi Or better yeat bring him in as an UDFA.

Plus with our fist second round pick falling, if we don't pick up a late first and grab a center, we should use it on a center in the second round. like Austin, Muscala, Dieng, or Kadji. but if we do get a big or two in the first round we should address our back up guard and wing needs. James Ennis is going to be some ones second round steal, why not have him be ours !

[Dark Faze]

Physical attributes only go so far though. In terms of physicality, Vesely should be a perfect PNR defender. Very fast movement laterally, long arms. Yet he's awful on defense.

Nene is the opposite. He's got a great first step, but that speed doesn't transfer to the defensive side of the ball or more specifically, to lateral movement, and yet due to awareness he's a much better PNR defender than Ves.

Olynyk is a smart player. He's a tremendously skilled player. He can rebound. Most importantly I look at how he can work with Wall in the offense. Wall is starting to fall in love with the PNR and working within a half court offense. Between Olynyks screen setting and jumpshot and Beal moving off the ball + Webster on the wings, you've got an extremely potent offensive lineup that's versatile.

The odd man out is Nene. We really need a defensive/rebounding C in case Okafor bails/slows down.

[gambitx777]

True, I think we move NENE to who ever will take his money, or at least i hope we do. It's just to bad we turned down melo, he would be great learning from okafur, but i think we can get a nice center in the second round of this draft that can learn from okafur and hopefully take over at some point.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Should that be the plan? Draft a Nene replacement like Olynyck. Hope Nene comes back next year in top form. Trade him for expiring at deadline. Tank for high pick in '14 draft. Have Okafor, Ariza, Nene all come off to pursue a bigtime FA summer 2014 to add to core of Wall, Beal, Webster, Olynyck, Seraphin, & our 2014 pick?

[Dark Faze]

Honestly, that's the whole problem with bringing in Vets on the short term and then looking for replacements--when the vets actually earn a new contract, what do you do? A huge part of who we are as a team are due to acquisiton of older talent.

I think we bring back Martell. Ariza is likely gone.

Part of what makes us such a good team (when healthy) is that we have two very strong, high IQ bigs down low, which is such a rarity in the league now. I don't really see either Okafor or Nene as replaceable right now. If you're looking for an Okafor replacement, your best bet is probably Len or Withey. If you're looking for a Nene replacement, then you're looking towards Bennett/Olynyk.

I don't see anyone in the draft that I really want to replace our starters with, at least not yet. The only guy who might be able to do it is Shabazz, because he's got the potential to be such a talented scorer. Outisde of that I don't think Porter can beat out Webster, I don't think anyone on the board can beat out Nenene, and only Len may have an outside shot of replacing Okafor.

That's the problem with getting better through old bigs. It's fools gold success. You either commit to that fools gold or drop it..

[hands11]

Should that be the plan? Draft a Nene replacement like Olynyck. Hope Nene comes back next year in top form. Trade him for expiring at deadline. Tank for high pick in '14 draft. Have Okafor, Ariza, Nene all come off to pursue a bigtime FA summer 2014 to add to core of Wall, Beal, Webster, Olynyck, Seraphin, & our 2014 pick?

I think they are/have already redeemed their reputation from being a joke so they could afford to do a little more losing short term if they felt that was better for the long term. Beal and Wall are so young still and they could be adding several more young players.