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Bradley Beal - Part II

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1121 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 7, 2015 9:25 pm

Darko Miliminutes wrote:I have nothing to base this on, besides body language and stuff like that. But i think Wall, Beal, and the Wiz have done a masterful job of hiding that Beal and Wall, don't care much for each other.

On record now, i guess, for saying that Beal and Wall will not play together, for another contract.

Judging by their body language and watching almost every game they've played together, I'd guess they're close friends.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1122 » by Darko Miliminutes » Thu Jan 8, 2015 12:14 am

I see that stuff too. Just a vibe im getting. hope im wrong...probably am. Something just doesn't sit entirely right with me.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1123 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 1:05 am

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Darko Miliminutes wrote:I have nothing to base this on, besides body language and stuff like that. But i think Wall, Beal, and the Wiz have done a masterful job of hiding that Beal and Wall, don't care much for each other.

On record now, i guess, for saying that Beal and Wall will not play together, for another contract.

Judging by their body language and watching almost every game they've played together, I'd guess they're close friends.

And at the Team USA stuff they were joking and chopping it up with everybody, definitely seems like they get along well and have a lot of friends around the league (probably from being big time hoopers on the AAU circuit).

Wall and Beal are really likeable guys irl, I think that's gonna help us a lot down the road actually. They're the type of guys who other players would want to play with.

Most importantly, the league MVP and a 2016 FA loves em both 8-) : http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... m-usa-camp
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1124 » by gtn130 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 4:06 pm

Grunching a little bit, but is anyone else not completely sold on Beal?

Despite shooting almost 47% from 3 this year, he's still pretty inefficient on offense. His game bothers me a lot in that he takes such a ridiculous abundance of long 2s and midrange shots -- and he creates so little off the dribble. Everything is catch and shoot or off screens, and unless it's a 3, nearly everything he does off screens results in an inefficient shot.

But even more importantly, is there any precedent at all for a shooting guard who goes to the FT line once a game to become a seriously impacting player? Ray Allen went to the FT almost twice as much as Beal for most of his career, and obviously Ray Allen wasn't a guy who was constantly attacking the paint.

Beal is still young and a lot can change, but I'm of the opinion that a lot HAS to change for Beal to become the player people think he'll be.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1125 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 4:28 pm

gtn130 wrote:Grunching a little bit, but is anyone else not completely sold on Beal?

Despite shooting almost 47% from 3 this year, he's still pretty inefficient on offense. His game bothers me a lot in that he takes such a ridiculous abundance of long 2s and midrange shots -- and he creates so little off the dribble. Everything is catch and shoot or off screens, and unless it's a 3, nearly everything he does off screens results in an inefficient shot.

But even more importantly, is there any precedent at all for a shooting guard who goes to the FT line once a game to become a seriously impacting player? Ray Allen went to the FT almost twice as much as Beal for most of his career, and obviously Ray Allen wasn't a guy who was constantly attacking the paint.

Beal is still young and a lot can change, but I'm of the opinion that a lot HAS to change for Beal to become the player people think he'll be.


he can't take people off the dribble, that's the problem

he is allergic to the rim
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1126 » by Nivek » Thu Jan 8, 2015 4:34 pm

gtn130 wrote:Grunching a little bit, but is anyone else not completely sold on Beal?

Despite shooting almost 47% from 3 this year, he's still pretty inefficient on offense. His game bothers me a lot in that he takes such a ridiculous abundance of long 2s and midrange shots -- and he creates so little off the dribble. Everything is catch and shoot or off screens, and unless it's a 3, nearly everything he does off screens results in an inefficient shot.

But even more importantly, is there any precedent at all for a shooting guard who goes to the FT line once a game to become a seriously impacting player? Ray Allen went to the FT almost twice as much as Beal for most of his career, and obviously Ray Allen wasn't a guy who was constantly attacking the paint.

Beal is still young and a lot can change, but I'm of the opinion that a lot HAS to change for Beal to become the player people think he'll be.


I think these are very fair critiques of Beal's play. He has great potential, but it's clear he has a long ways to go. Keep in mind that he is still just 21 years old -- he doesn't turn 22 until late June. The Wizards can afford to be patient with him. He's basically holding his own for the most part when he's out there, and they have some depth at his spot with Butler and Webster. The Wiz have him on his 4th year option next season, and would have to make a decision at that point how much he's worth to them.

Or, they could sign him to an extension this summer. With the cap ballooning in 2016, it might make sense to extend him for four years at what initially would look to be an overpay just to lock in his cap number for the summer of 2016.

There's no rush with him, though. He's a good guy who's still one of the youngest players in the league. He's playing okay ball, but with loads of potential to improve.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1127 » by Higga » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:10 pm

Beal will be fine. I think Wall has taught us that we have to be patient and let young players develop. And remember how well he played in the playoffs? Maybe Beal is just one of those guys that ratches it up come the postseason.

Reg. the Wall-Beal relationship, they seem like they're close friends to me. I remember they did joint press conferences together last year after some playoff games. Not that guys have to be best friends to play well together or anything but I don't get the vibe that everyone on the team seems to enjoy playing together.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1128 » by Dat2U » Thu Jan 8, 2015 5:27 pm

gtn130 wrote:Grunching a little bit, but is anyone else not completely sold on Beal?

Despite shooting almost 47% from 3 this year, he's still pretty inefficient on offense. His game bothers me a lot in that he takes such a ridiculous abundance of long 2s and midrange shots -- and he creates so little off the dribble. Everything is catch and shoot or off screens, and unless it's a 3, nearly everything he does off screens results in an inefficient shot.

But even more importantly, is there any precedent at all for a shooting guard who goes to the FT line once a game to become a seriously impacting player? Ray Allen went to the FT almost twice as much as Beal for most of his career, and obviously Ray Allen wasn't a guy who was constantly attacking the paint.
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Beal is still young and a lot can change, but I'm of the opinion that a lot HAS to change for Beal to become the player people think he'll be.


He's getting better and he's 21. He's still a year or two away from really coming into his own but he's becoming a solid starter on a solid team and at his age, that generally a really good sign of things to come. As mentioned before, the recent growth of Klay Thompson & Jimmy Butler and how far both of their handles have come should give us plenty of optimism for the future.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1129 » by tontoz » Thu Jan 8, 2015 6:03 pm

Nobody knows how Beal will turn out. He struggles inside the arc but he is 5th in 3 pt shooting percentage. That is pretty important playing next to Wall.

Given his age he probably will get better inside the arc. How much better is anyone's guess.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1130 » by queridiculo » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:16 pm

Coaching is a problem with Beal (long twos), the other is his suspect ball handling.

His handle has marginally improved, but it's not where it needs to be for a two guard that's likely to look for a max extension.

If Washington lands Durant paying all that cash to a one dimensional wing player isn't going to be much of an issue, but if we expect to build around Wall and Beal as the center pieces of the franchise, we could be in for a major disappointment.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1131 » by gtn130 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:36 pm

queridiculo wrote:Coaching is a problem with Beal (long twos), the other is his suspect ball handling.

His handle has marginally improved, but it's not where it needs to be for a two guard that's likely to look for a max extension.

If Washington lands Durant paying all that cash to a one dimensional wing player isn't going to be much of an issue, but if we expect to build around Wall and Beal as the center pieces of the franchise, we could be in for a major disappointment.


I think this is the post I most agree with. Coaching and ball handling seem to sum up Beal's issues. If he simply converted those long 2s into 3pt attempts, he'd be so much better off. Even if his 3pt% decreased, he'd be way, way more efficient overall
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1132 » by Darko Miliminutes » Fri Jan 9, 2015 4:33 pm

Any thoughts on him potentially being a bit discouraged. He's left in the corner, just standing...spacing purposes, a lot more then last year. He's not getting the chances to run the 2nd team, for a few minutes each game. After doing big things in the playoffs, his role has decreased a bit this year.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1133 » by hands11 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:01 pm

Glenn Consor's exclusive one-on-one with Bradley Beal following Friday night's 102-86 win over the Bulls.

Both think this was Beal best game in his career.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... eal-1-9-15
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1134 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:35 pm

hands11 wrote:Glenn Consor's exclusive one-on-one with Bradley Beal following Friday night's 102-86 win over the Bulls.

Both think this was Beal best game in his career.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... eal-1-9-15


Yep... if he starts playing D (consistently), then he can be a 3&D. Lots of 3-Ds out there.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1135 » by hands11 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:22 pm

Pretty sick interview wasn't it. Good stuff. Love watching the young Mr Beal grow up.

I don't hear any mention of... we have to have fun out there... like he used to do.

He sounds more gritty to me. He is maturing. I bet Paul Paul has something to do with that. He still has so much upside at only 21.5 years old.

Here the thing. I might have to go back an watch the game again because, I wasn't seeing a great game from him. I guess I was focused on his offense. Seemed like a MEH game. Then he hit that dagger and that seemed to me to push him over the edge to a good game. But a great game ? I didn't see that.

But.. he did lock down Jimmy and that was huge. Jimmy was 2-12 so yeah.. that was a great game from him.

He has a way of having really good games and sometimes it doesn't look like it just watching the game. Then you turn around an some how he is 6-12 and 2-4 and I'm like... how did that happen?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1136 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:36 pm

hands11 wrote:Glenn Consor's exclusive one-on-one with Bradley Beal following Friday night's 102-86 win over the Bulls.

Both think this was Beal best game in his career.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... eal-1-9-15

Interesting.

I've been pretty hard on Beal lately because of his terrible shooting from 2-point range. He's only made 4 of his last 19 2-pointers from outside the lane. But it is true that Beal played an exceptional game defensively. It wasn't just that he held Butler to 2-12 shooting. Beal really did a nice job on switches, getting matched up with big players and keeping them off the glass or tapping the rebound to someone else.

I just wish he would make more midrange shots. He has been unforgivably bad from there.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1137 » by manifested » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:38 pm

The strange thing about his game is that he seems to miss an awful lot of open looks within the three point line. If he was a better ball handler he could get to the rim, but it's not like he's always shooting contested mid range shots. It looks like he had some space on them. I wonder if it's a footwork thing where he needs to get his balance right pulling up off the dribble.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1138 » by tontoz » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:00 pm

Beal is literally shooting 20% better on 3s than on 2 pt jumpers. I don't think i have ever seen anything like that.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1139 » by Kanyewest » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:10 pm

hands11 wrote:
But.. he did lock down Jimmy and that was huge. Jimmy was 2-12 so yeah.. that was a great game from him.



Pierce and Wall were the ones who mostly guarded Butler at least on his shot attempts. Beal only guarded Butler once when Butler missed a shot off of an offensive rebound and Butler may have gotten hit in the face. But yeah, Beal did get 3 steals and a block and Kirk Hinrich only had 3 points.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#1140 » by hands11 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:25 pm

manifested wrote:The strange thing about his game is that he seems to miss an awful lot of open looks within the three point line. If he was a better ball handler he could get to the rim, but it's not like he's always shooting contested mid range shots. It looks like he had some space on them. I wonder if it's a footwork thing where he needs to get his balance right pulling up off the dribble.


I have posted plenty about his foot work. Yes. That's what I think a good part of it is.

When he doesn't catch and hope, he gets into his move faster.

So, footwork or mind ? Not sure which you attribute it to.

If he make the read and catches it knowing where he needs to go, he is better.

Handles. He isn't Harden or Lou Williams. He isn't going to catch it and then set you up. If he is going to be able to do that, its another year or two down the road. But hey, that ok. He would only be 23 when he adds that skill. Dude is still very young.

So for now, I would say mind and footwork.

If you see him catch and hop, that's not going to be one of his prettier games offensively in the half court.
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