Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[nate33]

If I’m looking to make a trade with Atl the player I’m targeting (other than Okongwu) is Reddish. It’s becoming apparent that he’s going to be an outstanding NBA player—maybe even an all-star.

Good point. An Atlanta trade would start with Reddish + Okongwu + 2021 1st. I'd need more though.

[WallToWall]

If we are nowhere near making the playoffs, and I suspect that will be the case, then:
1. Westbrook, at the trade deadline, should net us at least one 1st round pick and/or player with up side. Some team making a push will need a scorer even if to just shore up their bench.

I disagree with your 1st point. Westbrook is old and expensive, and if he can’t elevate the Wizards to a fringe playoff team then I don’t see him having much trade value. I think we are stuck with him for at least the next two years.

Perhaps. I think a triple double machine ready to come into the game, if a SG or PG is not available, or in foul trouble, or needs a breather, should command a 1st round pick + more....if you're trading with a title contender. The $$ would not be an issue if the team making the trade has some $$, maybe in expiring deals, that are providing lesser value to that team.

[trast66]

Westbrook is not bringing back a first round pick, that’s ridiculous. The only hope is to trade him for some shorter term money.

And we are not getting anything for Davis. Do people believe we get a first for 5 years of that guy? We will be giving a first rounder to get out of that contract more likely.

And there appears to be an overvalue on what Brad can bring back, we aren’t getting PG or Jrue type return. We waited too long for that. And if we wait past the trade deadline the return will decline substantially.

[nate33]

Westbrook is not bringing back a first round pick, that’s ridiculous. The only hope is to trade him for some shorter term money.

And we are not getting anything for Davis. Do people believe we get a first for 5 years of that guy? We will be giving a first rounder to get out of that contract more likely.

And there appears to be an overvalue on what Brad can bring back, we aren’t getting PG or Jrue type return. We waited too long for that. And if we wait past the trade deadline the return will decline substantially.

You are correct that we aren't getting a 1st for Westbrook.

Davis is definitely movable. Yeah, he has been bad for the first 4 games, but there's no reason to think he won't go back to being the same Bertans of the last two season. And if he does, teams will trade for him. He is a ceiling raiser, an ideal addition to a title contending team.

And Beal will get a Jrue type of return if we are patient.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Westbrook is not bringing back a first round pick, that’s ridiculous. The only hope is to trade him for some shorter term money.

And we are not getting anything for Davis. Do people believe we get a first for 5 years of that guy? We will be giving a first rounder to get out of that contract more likely.

And there appears to be an overvalue on what Brad can bring back, we aren’t getting PG or Jrue type return. We waited too long for that. And if we wait past the trade deadline the return will decline substantially.

I tend to agree with this...

If we decide to jump ship and reboot, I think a package including Herro & Precious from Miami, or Okongwu, Hunter, 1st rounder from ATL, or maybe Okongwu & Reddish is about the best we can expect.

Moving Westbrook in a salary dump is best case scenario with him, either to the Clippers, or maybe Dallas looking for a 3rd star with Porzingis & Doncic?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7375590


We're probably stuck with Bertans.

[gambitx777]

Burtans is still seen as a sniper he can still probably be delt


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[gambitx777]

You know who russ could help right now . NYK he would legit make that team interesting. Nitillkina , smith jr, ( both barley playing), noel for russ makes sense. They get an instant upgrade at pg and noel is good but they have a log jam up from most of the time.

We save so much money with this trade. Keep frank N cut Lopez and smith jr and move on. Fine a teammin need of ish maybe ? Boston? Or cut him and bring up matthews and call it a day. Let nato or brown start for all I care. You play Bonga and deni with bryant then sub in Noel and Burtans and rui.

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[nate33]

You know who russ could help right now . NYK he would legit make that team interesting. Nitillkina , smith jr, ( both barley playing), noel for russ makes sense. They get an instant upgrade at pg and noel is good but they have a log jam up from most of the time.

We save so much money with this trade. Keep frank N cut Lopez and smith jr and move on. Fine a teammin need of ish maybe ? Boston? Or cut him and bring up matthews and call it a day. Let nato or brown start for all I care. You play Bonga and deni with bryant then sub in Noel and Burtans and rui.

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I'd definitely trade Westbrook for Ntilikina to reap the cap savings. But I don't really think that's an option at the moment because of the Beal situation. Beal wants to compete for the playoffs, not rebuild for the future.

(It's possible that we could be more effective with a defensive ace like Ntilikina alongside Beal in the starting lineup instead of Westbrook, but it's far from a sure thing. If the trade makes us worse, Beal won't be happy.)

[WallToWall]

Previously, I and a few others had suggested that Ben Simmons would be a good addition to the team. His playing style would be of benefit in that he would grab many rebounds, and have easy put backs. He would not be the focal point of our offense. In fact, surrounded by offensive minded players who can score, he would be a complementary piece. Unfortunately, we cant get him without giving up Beal. Supposing we dont want to give up Beal, is there a player with similar attributes to Simmons, who we can get? Perhaps someone young and unproven?

[payitforward]

If I’m looking to make a trade with Atl the player I’m targeting (other than Okongwu) is Reddish. It’s becoming apparent that he’s going to be an outstanding NBA player—maybe even an all-star.

Good point. An Atlanta trade would start with Reddish + Okongwu + 2021 1st. I'd need more though.

Well, so far Cam Reddish has improved over last season -- a good thing, since he was unbelievably bad last season!

But, it's not a big improvement to tell the truth. He's pushed his TS% up from 50% to 53.5%. But, an average NBA wing is at 55.7%, so he's not to that level yet. He was sub-par rebounder last year, & that has improved for sure, so that he gets about the # of boards that an average wing gets. For the rest, his numbers aren't different enough to merit comment.

Then again, in a player as young as he is, overall improvement is the most important thing.

DeAndre Hunter, OTOH, has improved more over last year.

In both cases, we'll know more when there's a significant sample size.

[NatP4]

Wish we had the salary filler to do something like Ish+Wagner for Dieng. Maybe Memphis wants another PG with Morant out and a floor spacing C for more offense.

It won’t happen because we don’t wanna spend 35 mill on the C position and admit the Lopez signing was idiotic yet. Maybe around the deadline we could do Lopez+Ish+Wagner for Dieng.

[gambitx777]

Yeah like honestly I don't know if a star guard is who beal need to play with he needs to be paired with another wing imo or a high octane PF like LeBron or Blake griffin, or a kevin love type. Not then but those types of a jimmy butler, or kawi, or something like that.

So I think making the team better by increasing the D would help a lot. Can you imagine the boost just replacing lopez with noel and the money saved. We can't be much worse than not winning at all!

You know who russ could help right now . NYK he would legit make that team interesting. Nitillkina , smith jr, ( both barley playing), noel for russ makes sense. They get an instant upgrade at pg and noel is good but they have a log jam up from most of the time.

We save so much money with this trade. Keep frank N cut Lopez and smith jr and move on. Fine a teammin need of ish maybe ? Boston? Or cut him and bring up matthews and call it a day. Let nato or brown start for all I care. You play Bonga and deni with bryant then sub in Noel and Burtans and rui.

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I'd definitely trade Westbrook for Ntilikina to reap the cap savings. But I don't really think that's an option at the moment because of the Beal situation. Beal wants to compete for the playoffs, not rebuild for the future.

(It's possible that we could be more effective with a defensive ace like Ntilikina alongside Beal in the starting lineup instead of Westbrook, but it's far from a sure thing. If the trade makes us worse, Beal won't be happy.)

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2923575-ranking-best-nba-rookie-extension-deals-whats-next-for-players-without-a-deal

[badinage]

If I’m looking to make a trade with Atl the player I’m targeting (other than Okongwu) is Reddish. It’s becoming apparent that he’s going to be an outstanding NBA player—maybe even an all-star.

Good point. An Atlanta trade would start with Reddish + Okongwu + 2021 1st. I'd need more though.

I like that.

That’s a tantalizing team. Young, variety of skills, probably tough, versatile, and can grow up together.

Reddish
Hachimura
Okongwu
Avdija

I also think a Beal-Simmons trade is ideal for both teams. And I’m incredibly intrigued by the idea of a team with (a handle-improved) Avdija and Simmons as dual point forwards.

The challenge would be surrounding them with deadeye shooters at the 1 and 2 and 5. But the neat thing is, you wouldn’t need conventional guards. You could go big there. Get some 3-and-Ds and plug them in.

A little thought experiment — imagine if you could have a handle-improved Deni and Simmons as dual point forwards, with (go with me, here — not saying they’re acquirable ... but their types) Covington and Crowder as your “guards.”

[nate33]

If I’m looking to make a trade with Atl the player I’m targeting (other than Okongwu) is Reddish. It’s becoming apparent that he’s going to be an outstanding NBA player—maybe even an all-star.

Good point. An Atlanta trade would start with Reddish + Okongwu + 2021 1st. I'd need more though.

I like that.

That’s a tantalizing team. Young, variety of skills, probably tough, versatile, and can grow up together.

Reddish
Hachimura
Okongwu
Avdija

I also think a Beal-Simmons trade is ideal for both teams. And I’m incredibly intrigued by the idea of a team with (a handle-improved) Avdija and Simmons as dual point forwards.

The challenge would be surrounding them with deadeye shooters at the 1 and 2 and 5. But the neat thing is, you wouldn’t need conventional guards. You could go big there. Get some 3-and-Ds and plug them in.

A little thought experiment — imagine if you could have a handle-improved Deni and Simmons as dual point forwards, with (go with me, here — not saying they’re acquirable ... but their types) Covington and Crowder as your “guards.”

I like the Simmons idea better than the Atlanta package.

Now, if we could get the Atlanta package and also land Suggs in the draft, THAT would be an intriguing team:

Suggs
Reddish
Avidja
Hachimura
Okongwu

It's extremely switchable defensively with everyone able to cover at least 3 positions. Offensively, you run a decentralized system where everyone can shoot, pass, dribble, or post up a mismatch.

But you really need Suggs to make it work. He's the one guy that bends the defense.

[payitforward]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2923575-ranking-best-nba-rookie-extension-deals-whats-next-for-players-without-a-deal

Some significant over-pays on that list! Kuzma above all.

[payitforward]

I continue to wonder what makes anyone think that Reddish is playing especially well this season.... He's not.

Is he playing better than last year? Yes, he is playing better than last year. That's not the same as playing well. Not near the same.

"But, he's shooting 38%+ on three-pointers!" Yes, he is. &, he's also shooting 38% on 2-pointers.

He may turn out to be a terrific player, who knows? But, he's not someone I'd be targeting right now, that's for sure.

[payitforward]

On top of which, you guys are writing Okongwu into this trade as if we had any idea of a) how good he'll be & 2) what it means for his future that he has a foot injury before he even plays his first game.

The guy to target on that roster is John Collins -- he wants a deal they don't want to give him.

[nate33]

I continue to wonder what makes anyone think that Reddish is playing especially well this season.... He's not.

Is he playing better than last year? Yes, he is playing better than last year. That's not the same as playing well. Not near the same.

"But, he's shooting 38%+ on three-pointers!" Yes, he is. &, he's also shooting 38% on 2-pointers.

He may turn out to be a terrific player, who knows? But, he's not someone I'd be targeting right now, that's for sure.

I'm intrigued by Reddish because of his steady improvement over the course of last season:



I haven't really paid attention to what he has done this season

[DCZards]

PIF, you are absolutely right that Collins is probably the guy to target. And he may be available given that he and ATL have been unable to come to terms on a new contract.

As for Reddish, I like him because of what I see as his potential to be an outstanding player. He started coming on strong late last season.

But, yes, Cam has a ways to go and I’m just projecting what he might become. But isn’t that what you have to do with most players his age? (Darius Garland is another young guy whose potential I’ve often touted. And I certainly like the way he seems to be developing.)

I like Cam’s two-way potential. He looks to have a diverse (albeit inconsistent) offensive game and is a good man defender who is averaging over 1 steal a game in a little over 28 minutes per game.

Unfortunately for Reddish, he has to share playing time with Hunter, Bogdanovich and, to some extent, Gallinari. Not a good thing for his development.