Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

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Maybe we'll be mediocre like the Spurs last year and luck into the 2nd pick. We're due for some good fortune, right?

[prime1time]

You may well be right that one or both of them are moved to get the roster limit down.

On the other hand, this is the same front office that was excited about adding Jonas Valanciunas and Malcolm Brogdon last year even though we were tanking. History suggests that management likes having a few vets around to organize the youngsters and lead as an example in practice. Maybe they'll be bought out mid-season, but I'm guessing they'll be around in December.

I'm fine with some vets, but what's the benefit of them taking major playing time. Especially Middleton. He concerns me. Dude is such a good player. At the end of last year he was like, we should make the playoffs next year. That's concerning lol.

I'm hoping Middleton will agree to a load management plan where he plays 20 minutes a game off the bench and preserves his health for a mid-season trade.

Though, at his salary, I'm not sure if there's a mid-season trade out there even if he is healthy. What contender has a spare $33M contract that they can part with in order to match salaries?

That's where I am. With the second apron being so punitive, these either have to be buy outs or we will just tell them to stop coming. In the modern NBA only stars make money. Everyone else it's small deals. Any player that has a contract from the previous era will be hard to move.

[nate33]

Maybe we'll be mediocre like the Spurs last year and luck into the 2nd pick. We're due for some good fortune, right?

We need to be on the low end of mediocre. We need to ensure that we actually have the pick, so, tanking to a bottom 6 (or preferably bottom 5) record is essential. Beyond that, I'm okay with letting the basketball gods decide where exactly that pick falls between 1 and 8.

The other option would be to work out a trade with NY right now to get that pick back. Maybe give them Champagnie, whom they would value a great deal as a legit rotation player earning virtually nothing.

[Frichuela]

Maybe we'll be mediocre like the Spurs last year and luck into the 2nd pick. We're due for some good fortune, right?

We need to be on the low end of mediocre. We need to ensure that we actually have the pick, so, tanking to a bottom 6 (or preferably bottom 5) record is essential. Beyond that, I'm okay with letting the basketball gods decide where exactly that pick falls between 1 and 8.

The other option would be to work out a trade with NY right now to get that pick back. Maybe give them Champagnie, whom they would value a great deal as a legit rotation player earning virtually nothing.

This. If I was Dawkins I would be trying hard to accomplish this. This would guarantee we have a pick regardless of record and more importantly we can do the pick swap with Phoenix if they jump in the lottery.

In this scenario, the coaching staff would have the green light to compete, which is a much more healthy environment to develop our young core.

[pcbothwel]

Maybe we'll be mediocre like the Spurs last year and luck into the 2nd pick. We're due for some good fortune, right?

We need to be on the low end of mediocre. We need to ensure that we actually have the pick, so, tanking to a bottom 6 (or preferably bottom 5) record is essential. Beyond that, I'm okay with letting the basketball gods decide where exactly that pick falls between 1 and 8.

The other option would be to work out a trade with NY right now to get that pick back. Maybe give them Champagnie, whom they would value a great deal as a legit rotation player earning virtually nothing.

This. If I was Dawkins I would be trying hard to accomplish this. This would guarantee we have a pick regardless of record and more importantly we can do the pick swap with Phoenix if they jump in the lottery.

In this scenario, the coaching staff would have the green light to compete, which is a much more healthy environment to develop our young core.

Thought... Would it be worth giving up our protected 2027 pick to increase protections on 2026?
I.e. 2026 protection goes from top 8 to lotto protected, but if we keep the pick the Knicks get our 2027 pick (Top 8 protected).

[TGW]

Hypotehtically speaking, let's say the Suns record is worst than the Wizards, but the Wizards finish higher than 8th, and have to relinquish the pick to the knicks. does the swap with the Suns come into effect before or after the pick swap with the Knicks? Which swap takes precedence?

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...The other option would be to [b]work out a trade with NY right now to get that pick back. Maybe give them Champagnie, whom they would value a great deal as a legit rotation player earning virtually nothing.

That's a clever idea. I hate it, but could get used to it.
Keep in mind that it's by no means certain you get a better player than Justin via that maneuver.

[nate33]

Hypotehtically speaking, let's say the Suns record is worst than the Wizards, but the Wizards finish higher than 8th, and have to relinquish the pick to the knicks. does the swap with the Suns come into effect before or after the pick swap with the Knicks? Which swap takes precedence?

No. In that scenario, we'd have no pick and therefore have nothing to swap with the Suns.

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Hypotehtically speaking, let's say the Suns record is worst than the Wizards, but the Wizards finish higher than 8th, and have to relinquish the pick to the knicks. does the swap with the Suns come into effect before or after the pick swap with the Knicks? Which swap takes precedence?

No. In that scenario, we'd have no pick and therefore have nothing to swap with the Suns.

LOL Can we just sticky a thread that explains this and only this. In all caps. It's twice a week we re-answer the question.

[nate33]

Hypotehtically speaking, let's say the Suns record is worst than the Wizards, but the Wizards finish higher than 8th, and have to relinquish the pick to the knicks. does the swap with the Suns come into effect before or after the pick swap with the Knicks? Which swap takes precedence?

No. In that scenario, we'd have no pick and therefore have nothing to swap with the Suns.

LOL Can we just sticky a thread that explains this and only this. In all caps. It's twice a week we re-answer the question.

What's an interesting question is what happens with the Suns swap if we made a deal with NY to increase the protections on the pick or remove the pick obligation altogether?

In theory, the Suns made the swap with us knowing that the swap could only conceivably have mattered if we finished in the bottom 8. So, if they assumed they were a sure bet to finish with the 9th pick or worse, they were in no danger of having to give up the swap. However, if we now make a trade that changes the protections on that pick, does Phoenix have to honor them? If Phoenix finishes with the 9th pick, and we make that Champagnie trade to get control of our pick back, and then finish with the 12th pick, could Phoenix rightly argue that they shouldn't be forced to swap?

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I don't think our pick is in much danger, and Champagnie is clearly more valuable than any likely return. Hence, this is not a deal I would seek.

compare Justin's numbers with Tari Eason, Ausar Thompson, & then explain why you'd move him.

[WallToWall]

Back to trade ideas, can anyone find a feasible trade for Jalen Smith?

Smith is a PF/C who would fit a positional need. He could help Sarr as a secondary shot-blocker who can rebound and stretch the floor. Jalen has been timid i his career but this would be a great place for his game to emerge.

He has to be familiar with Cam Whitmore.

McCollum + Kispert FOR Smith + Huerter + Buzelis works. Add picks as you see fit.
Gives CHI a SF who can shoot 3's and drive to the basket, and backup SG who can still score. I dont think they drop much in defense if Smith, Huerter, and Buzelis go.

Chicago isn't trading Buzelis. They'd laugh you off the phone.

As most typical fans of a team, I tend to over-value my teams players and under-value everyone else. Buzelis did have a very good last 45-ish games this past season.

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What's an interesting question is what happens with the Suns swap if we made a deal with NY to increase the protections on the pick or remove the pick obligation altogether?

In theory, the Suns made the swap with us knowing that the swap could only conceivably have mattered if we finished in the bottom 8. So, if they assumed they were a sure bet to finish with the 9th pick or worse, they were in no danger of having to give up the swap. However, if we now make a trade that changes the protections on that pick, does Phoenix have to honor them?

Unless they got it in writing on the deal PHX is SOL. The deal is the deal. They made the deal thinking it wouldn’t convey because they were going to be winning multiple championships. What they thought or hoped makes no difference. The Wiz have a right to swap the pick if they have a pick to swap. Period.

That said zero chance New York is giving up even a small possibility of a lottery pick in a deep draft. If it was Thibodeaux in charge maybe they’d make a deal for a vet, since he doesn’t play rookies. But now, no.

[gambitx777]

I assume the idea is that a healthy CJ and Middleton are valuable trade assets to a team looking to dump a salary but not be bad.

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[Wisedude]

Seems like the Wizards are loading up to do a sign-n-trade with Golden State for Kuminga.

[badinage]

Seems like the Wizards are loading up to do a sign-n-trade with Golden State for Kuminga.

Source?

[spaceman_E]

We r at 16 now -- something's got to give....

I'm actually not sure how we completed the transaction. You have to free up the roster spot BEFORE making the 1 for 2 trade. I guess maybe Tre and Riley aren't technically on the roster yet.

offseason limit is 21 I believe.


And this team is horrid, no reason to give the Knicks anything. The only danger of holding these vets is blocking playing time from players that might have a future here.

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Seems like the Wizards are loading up to do a sign-n-trade with Golden State for Kuminga.

Source?

Yeah this would be interesting. Not sure what we would do with him since he's so similar to Cam. Unless Cam is going out? In which case, what's really the point?

Still glad we dumped Olynyk. #60 pick and a TPE sounds about right for the bum. The two guys from the Spurs will be competing with Dillon Jones for the #15 guy on the roster, looks like.

I'm expecting a big salary dump trade at some point with all of these expiring contracts. Maybe an overpaid big?

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Watch on YouTube

I know Frichuela wants this fella gone

[bsilver]

No. In that scenario, we'd have no pick and therefore have nothing to swap with the Suns.

LOL Can we just sticky a thread that explains this and only this. In all caps. It's twice a week we re-answer the question.

What's an interesting question is what happens with the Suns swap if we made a deal with NY to increase the protections on the pick or remove the pick obligation altogether?

In theory, the Suns made the swap with us knowing that the swap could only conceivably have mattered if we finished in the bottom 8. So, if they assumed they were a sure bet to finish with the 9th pick or worse, they were in no danger of having to give up the swap. However, if we now make a trade that changes the protections on that pick, does Phoenix have to honor them? If Phoenix finishes with the 9th pick, and we make that Champagnie trade to get control of our pick back, and then finish with the 12th pick, could Phoenix rightly argue that they shouldn't be forced to swap?

I can hear the judge, “You made the stupid deal for Beal thinking you’d be good. Now you stink and want to be rewarded for your incompetence?”