The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread

[dckingsfan]

No. 10 SG C.J. McCollum, No. 31 SG Allen Crabbe, No. 39 C Jeff Withey, No. 40 PF Grant Jerrett, No. 45 PF Marko Todorovic

They were looking for depth, they got depth.

Thomas Robinson goes to Portland... Dorell Wright goes to Portland... and Robin Lopez goes to Portland... williams goes to Portland, Watson goes to Portland.

Lillard, Williams, Watson, McCollum
Matthews, Crabbe, Barton
Batum, Wright, Claver
Aldridge, Robinson, Freeland
Lopez, Leonard, Withey

Ruzious, you are right... from a team with no depth to a lot of depth... really nice off-season.

I complained about the Mo Williams signing, but the guy is a respected, veteran PG with playoff experience. I was thinking about his minutes but I hadn't considered his veteran leadership. The Trailblazers added Lopez, and Final Four TEAMMATES Robinson and Withey. They got a guard who can score sufficiently to be in consideration for ROTY, if he gets the minutes.

Overall, they did have a great offseason.

I wish the Wizards could have added a legitimate, young, big, center like Robin Lopez.

Yep, Lopez or Kosta Koufos would have been great - but alas it was not meant to be. Now we just have to hope that Al Harrington plays like he did a couple of years ago.

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No. 10 SG C.J. McCollum, No. 31 SG Allen Crabbe, No. 39 C Jeff Withey, No. 40 PF Grant Jerrett, No. 45 PF Marko Todorovic

They were looking for depth, they got depth.

Thomas Robinson goes to Portland... Dorell Wright goes to Portland... and Robin Lopez goes to Portland... williams goes to Portland, Watson goes to Portland.

Lillard, Williams, Watson, McCollum
Matthews, Crabbe, Barton
Batum, Wright, Claver
Aldridge, Robinson, Freeland
Lopez, Leonard, Withey

Ruzious, you are right... from a team with no depth to a lot of depth... really nice off-season.

If they sign Withey, Jerrett & Todorovic they'll have 20 guys with guaranteed contracts. How's that going to work?

edit: Jerrett went to OKC (unless I missed a trade). But that's still 19 guys. They already have 17 guys on guaranteed contracts (assuming Barton is guaranteed and Terrel Harris' option has been picked for $800K)

[Ruzious]

Withey's (my choice for best value pick in the draft as the 41th pick) a Pelican, so he gets to team with Anthony Davis and Anderson. They're not going to be the most physical front court, but they're going to be real good.

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Yep, Lopez or Kosta Koufos would have been great - but alas ...we just have to hope that Al Harrington plays like he did a couple of years ago.

...except he didn't play particularly well "a couple of years ago." E.g., at the 4, he averaged less than 9 boards per 40 minutes.

Ernie seems to think you can acquire "3-point shooting" but somehow the rest of the stuff the player does or doesn't do won't enter the picture.

Another horrible decision by the worst GM in the league. The best you can say is he won't play many minutes. On the other hand, given how bad we are at the 4 you would think Ernie might have tried to find someone who could give the team minutes.

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Withey's (my choice for best value pick in the draft as the 41th pick) a Pelican, so he gets to team with Anthony Davis and Anderson. They're not going to be the most physical front court, but they're going to be real good.

Withey was picked by the Blazers -- man there was a lot of movement around the last draft! How'd he wind up w/ NO?

[dckingsfan]

Yep, Lopez or Kosta Koufos would have been great - but alas ...we just have to hope that Al Harrington plays like he did a couple of years ago.

...except he didn't play particularly well "a couple of years ago." E.g., at the 4, he averaged less than 9 boards per 40 minutes.

Ernie seems to think you can acquire "3-point shooting" but somehow the rest of the stuff the player does or doesn't do won't enter the picture.

Another horrible decision by the worst GM in the league. The best you can say is he won't play many minutes. On the other hand, given how bad we are at the 4 you would think Ernie might have tried to find someone who could give the team minutes.

Agreed on EG - yuck.

In 2011-12 - Harrington DRB% was over 20 - not to bad for a stretch 4. I don't think it is fair to assume a high ORB% when you are a stretch 4.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Withey's (my choice for best value pick in the draft as the 41th pick) a Pelican, so he gets to team with Anthony Davis and Anderson. They're not going to be the most physical front court, but they're going to be real good.

Withey was picked by the Blazers -- man there was a lot of movement around the last draft! How'd he wind up w/ NO?

Withey turns out was traded the week after the draft ...

Ruz is right. I was wrong. Lopez went to the Blazers in a three-way trade. Withey is a Pelican.

Pelicans, Kings and Trail Blazers Reportedly Agree to 3-Team Trade

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1694 ... team-trade

Tyreke Evans and Jeff Withey are going to be Anthony Davis' new teammates. So will JRue Holiday, who was part of the Nerlens Noel draft night trade with Philadelphia. General Greivis Vasquez will be Boogie Cousins' new PG.

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In 2011-12 - Harrington DRB% was over 20 - not to bad for a stretch 4. I don't think it is fair to assume a high ORB% when you are a stretch 4.

Thing is... everything a guy does or doesn't do when he is on the floor contributes to winning or losing. It's his overall productivity that matters.

Al Harrington is not a good player, and he has never been a good player. In his best seasons he was better than in his worst seasons, but in no season was he a particularly good player.

Use the back of your roster, guys who are going to play maybe 10 minutes a game, to take chances on young players who at least have a possibility of impacting your future. Right now we should have both Jae Crowder and Kyle O'Quinn on our roster. Crowder shoots threes if that's what we "need."

[dckingsfan]

In 2011-12 - Harrington DRB% was over 20 - not to bad for a stretch 4. I don't think it is fair to assume a high ORB% when you are a stretch 4.

Thing is... everything a guy does or doesn't do when he is on the floor contributes to winning or losing. It's his overall productivity that matters.

Al Harrington is not a good player, and he has never been a good player. In his best seasons he was better than in his worst seasons, but in no season was he a particularly good player.

Use the back of your roster, guys who are going to play maybe 10 minutes a game, to take chances on young players who at least have a possibility of impacting your future. Right now we should have both Jae Crowder and Kyle O'Quinn on our roster. Crowder shoots threes if that's what we "need."

If we are talking about EG as a GM - he stinks, terrible - yuck (puke)!!!! This team should be much better constructed - bummer.

If we are talking about Harrington, in his better seasons he is better than Vesely, Seraphin, Singleton or Booker - although that isn't saying much. Most of his career he was an average (not terrible) NBA player. Last year though, he was very bad.

[Nivek]

In 2011-12 - Harrington DRB% was over 20 - not to bad for a stretch 4. I don't think it is fair to assume a high ORB% when you are a stretch 4.

Thing is... everything a guy does or doesn't do when he is on the floor contributes to winning or losing. It's his overall productivity that matters.

Al Harrington is not a good player, and he has never been a good player. In his best seasons he was better than in his worst seasons, but in no season was he a particularly good player.

Use the back of your roster, guys who are going to play maybe 10 minutes a game, to take chances on young players who at least have a possibility of impacting your future. Right now we should have both Jae Crowder and Kyle O'Quinn on our roster. Crowder shoots threes if that's what we "need."

If we are talking about EG as a GM - he stinks, terrible - yuck (puke)!!!! This team should be much better constructed - bummer.

If we are talking about Harrington, in his better seasons he is better than Vesely, Seraphin, Singleton or Booker - although that isn't saying much. Most of his career he was an average (not terrible) NBA player. Last year though, he was very bad.

In most of his seasons, he was actually below average, at least in my ratings. In my analysis, he rated average or better in three of his 15 seasons. Even in PER, which rewards players for shooting more frequently so long as they shoot better than 30% (my stat doesn't do that), he rates average or better in just 5 of his 15 seasons.

In my ratings, he's a guy who could have been useful off the bench, especially if coaches could have curtailed his tendency to take bad shots. He was miscast as a starter and/or a 30+ minutes per game player.

[dckingsfan]

Thing is... everything a guy does or doesn't do when he is on the floor contributes to winning or losing. It's his overall productivity that matters.

Al Harrington is not a good player, and he has never been a good player. In his best seasons he was better than in his worst seasons, but in no season was he a particularly good player.

Use the back of your roster, guys who are going to play maybe 10 minutes a game, to take chances on young players who at least have a possibility of impacting your future. Right now we should have both Jae Crowder and Kyle O'Quinn on our roster. Crowder shoots threes if that's what we "need."

If we are talking about EG as a GM - he stinks, terrible - yuck (puke)!!!! This team should be much better constructed - bummer.

If we are talking about Harrington, in his better seasons he is better than Vesely, Seraphin, Singleton or Booker - although that isn't saying much. Most of his career he was an average (not terrible) NBA player. Last year though, he was very bad.

In most of his seasons, he was actually below average, at least in my ratings. In my analysis, he rated average or better in three of his 15 seasons. Even in PER, which rewards players for shooting more frequently so long as they shoot better than 30% (my stat doesn't do that), he rates average or better in just 5 of his 15 seasons.

In my ratings, he's a guy who could have been useful off the bench, especially if coaches could have curtailed his tendency to take bad shots. He was miscast as a starter and/or a 30+ minutes per game player.

I rate average as in the 40 - 60 percentile and do so based upon the type of player. In my analysis 6 of 15 seasons he was right in that group. 1 season he was a rookie and three others he was injured.

So, we are close. Either way, he will need to rebound from last year to give us something positive off the bench. If he does that he should be better than Seraphin, Vesely, Singleton and Booker.

[dckingsfan]

And nothing against Booker but Whit wants a stretch 4 right?

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And nothing against Booker but Whit wants a stretch 4 right?

Booker has been better every year than Harrington's best season ever. Al Harrington is not a good NBA player. If what you can say to defend the guy is that at 33 in his 16th season he's better than Jan Vesely, so what?

No, signing him does not make you a better team. It doesn't help in any way at all. Of course, we should keep in mind that he hasn't been signed yet. Maybe he won't be.

Or maybe Ted will fire Ernie and hire Al as GM instead of signing him to play. He couldn't be much worse than Ernie. No one could. There's no room under Ernie to get worse.

[dckingsfan]

And nothing against Booker but Whit wants a stretch 4 right?

Booker has been better every year than Harrington's best season ever. Al Harrington is not a good NBA player. If what you can say to defend the guy is that at 33 in his 16th season he's better than Jan Vesely, so what?

No, signing him does not make you a better team. It doesn't help in any way at all. Of course, we should keep in mind that he hasn't been signed yet. Maybe he won't be.

Or maybe Ted will fire Ernie and hire Al as GM instead of signing him to play. He couldn't be much worse than Ernie. No one could. There's no room under Ernie to get worse.

I am in the EG sucks camp - so don't beat me up on that

My point is that if they are looking for a stretch 4 than one could make the argument that Harrington is better than Booker (why Booker doesn't have a 3 point shot by now )

And if you believe that Booker will miss more than half the games this year and your choice would be Vesely or Singleton to replace those minutes - then one can argue it would make you a better team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jack Cooley looked very good in summer league play. He made an interesting choice.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... rkish-Team

Jack Cooley Rejects Partially Guaranteed NBA Deals For Turkish Team

Before signing with Turkey’s Trabzonspor, Memphis Grizzlies summer league forward Jack Cooley turned down training camp invites – including multiple partially guaranteed deals – from 10 NBA teams, his agent Adam Pensack told RealGM.

Cooley had received camp deals and some partially guaranteed offers out of the Portland Trail Blazers, Grizzlies, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder, Brooklyn Nets, Miami Heat, Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers and Cleveland Cavaliers, Pensack said. Even so, the Turkish club gave Cooley an offer too lucrative to reject.

“He will play a lot against top level competition and will come back next year even more ready for the NBA,” Pensack said.

Seeing the success Danny Green, Gary Neal, and Pablo Prigioni have had; Cooley could be making a wise move.

Ironically, Memphis gave Nick Calathes a two-year guaranteed deal to come over to the NBA from Greece.

[jivelikenice]

Roddy B. is the ideal FA target to round out the roster. Hopefully they can dump one or two of the young PFs top open up a roster spot. Roddy has talent but injuries have really set him back. He has the potential to fill it up as an instant offense scorer, which is still a team need.

[nate33]

Roddy B is 25 years old. Here is his PER in each of the last 4 seasons:

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Year     PER   Games missed
2009-10  18.5  26
2010-11  11.4  54
2011-12  15.3  13
2012-13  10.6  37

The guy is living off the hype of his stunning rookie year when he was really good with massive potential to improve. Since then, injuries have sapped his abilities. He is a shadow of his former self. At age 25 with a beat up body, he's not getting any better. And what he is now isn't very good.

I'd pass on Beaubois.

[LyricalRico]

^ Agree. I've never liked his game. He came out of nowhere to have some good games for the Mavs, but IIRC he really just relied on athleticism to have that impact. He couldn't run a team and isn't a good shooter. Now he's also not as explosive due to the injuries nate mentioned.

[jivelikenice]

How about Barbosa? He could be had for the minimum and is accustomed to that I start offense role. Not bad for a vet minimum deal. Ay word on his recovery?

With my last spot I take Tyrus Thomas. (Dump Sinleton and Booker)

[barelyawake]

Mark my words, Roddy will be back and better than his stats indicate. His stats were hampered by injury, but his game has not slowed. He played well after coming back from the foot thing. His latest injury is a hand thing. He has been killed by injuries, but those injuries aren't (thus far) career ending. In terms of "he only used athleticism"...

"Playing only 3 minutes, Beaubois made his NBA debut against the Los Angeles Lakers. On March 5, 2010, Beaubois scored 22 points against the Sacramento Kings, becoming the first Maverick rookie to score 20 or more points since Maurice Ager in 2007. 22 days later, Beaubois scored a career-high 40 points and made a rookie record of 9 of 11 three-pointers against the Golden State Warriors. Moreover he became the first rookie in NBA history to shoot at least 50 percent from the floor, 40 percent from 3-point range, and 80 percent from the free throw line. He became the third Maverick rookie with 40 or more points in a game. The Mavericks finished the season with a 55-27 record, clinching the second seed in the Western Conference. In the first round of the 2010 NBA Playoffs, Dallas faced their rival the San Antonio Spurs. The Mavericks were down by 22 points in the first half of Game 6. Needing a spark to the offense, coach Rick Carlisle subbed Beaubois in and he led them back into the game scoring 16 points, however the Mavericks lost the game and series."

That snippet doesn't mention his defense or distributing, which are above average for back-up points as well. Teams won't touch him as a back-up point because of the string of injury concerns (not the affect on his game, but the worry that he will always be injured), but as a third point, he would be a great addition.