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Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1141 » by nate33 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:44 pm

ozthegandp wrote:and the teams already rumored to be interested in him include the lakers and san Antonio. and Miami has been trying to upgrade its center situation for yrs. he's going to pick us over the laker's and their gazillion dollars in cap space this summer?

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The Lakers are maintaining flexibility for the big free agent markets of 2015 and/or 2016. They won't sign Gortat to anything longer than 2 years, and I think it's doubtful that Gortat would take a 2-year contract.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1142 » by nate33 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:46 pm

Ruzious wrote:I don't see it that way. Giving minutes to someone who hasn't earned them is not a smart way to develop a player. There will be minutes available if Porter earns them in practice - Ariza or no Ariza. Webster is already playing minutes at the 2 - and that can - and should - be expanded. Ariza can - and probably should - play more minutes at the 4. And injuries happen. Webster has had back problems on and off throughout his career - I don't think we should expect him to stay healthy all season - and we saw him physically fall apart at the end of last season. Cream always rises to the top - if Porter's got it, the pt will come.

Preach!

I'm in 100% agreement with you on playing time, Ruzious. If Porter wants minutes, he needs to fight for them in practice. He'll get opportunities in games sooner or later, he needs to be ready.

And there is no need to force an Ariza trade. If a good offer comes along, then sure, trade him. But if not, I'd be perfectly willing to resign Ariza despite having Webster and Porter on the roster. If Porter is good, he'll get minutes. If he becomes really good, then we can always trade Ariza or Webster later.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1143 » by LyricalRico » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:09 pm

Porter in a package for Thad Young? He'd have to play PF but he'd be no worse defensively than Booker.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1144 » by Induveca » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:22 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Porter in a package for Thad Young? He'd have to play PF but he'd be no worse defensively than Booker.


Was alredy thinking it.....Vesely and Porter for Young and whatever PG garbage they'd return to us. Would love to see Young at the 4.

Wall
Beal
Ariza
Young
Gortat

Very very fun team to watch.

Philly wants to tank? This shall assist greatly. They can also sell a former #6 and this year's #3 pick quite easily as good value I would assume.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1145 » by nuposse04 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:26 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Porter in a package for Thad Young? He'd have to play PF but he'd be no worse defensively than Booker.


I don't think Young has ever been a good defender. He and Booker have the same standing reach. Booker is a far better rebounder tho, young is a far better floor spacer. I wouldn't give up Porter is possible. See if you can do Ariza+Booker for Young and maybe J. Rich. Maybe a '14 2nd rounder as well. Booker is a solid young player they can retain on a cheap contract and Ariza could prove to be useful defensively with MCW in the future.

Although, I'll admit, with Booker's recent resurgence, I don't know how big a NEED Young really is. Nene being only good for 2/3 of the season is the only compelling reason to go for this.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1146 » by JWizmentality » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:44 pm

Poter for Thad Young?


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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1147 » by J-Ves » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:22 am

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LyricalRico wrote:Porter in a package for Thad Young? He'd have to play PF but he'd be no worse defensively than Booker.


Was alredy thinking it.....Vesely and Porter for Young and whatever PG garbage they'd return to us. Would love to see Young at the 4.

I've always liked Young, but in an ideal world I'd much prefer to pick up a PF with legit size and someone who is a proven stretch 4, i.e. Ersan. If the Sixers were willing to add Wroten to the deal, I would be more inclined to like it. It would be nice if they took Maynor off our hands, but I'd guess that would cost us a 2014 2nd round pick, maybe a bit too steep.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1148 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:29 am

I was never a Thad Young fan. I'd rather just play Ariza at PF than sacrifice assets to go after Young who is just as undersized.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1149 » by mhd » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:31 am

I don't like Thad Young for his contractual obligations. Just not a great fit. Unless we could get Wroten in the deal (and flip Young to a 3rd team), I'd pass.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1150 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:32 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... rade-Talks

Rockets-Call-Off-Omer-Asik-Trade-Talks

And again. Otto is not a likely trade asset yet. They will at least look at him first. 50 total mins is not enough and we aren't seeing practice.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489247

Honestly. After seeing the minutes dished out last night and with Beal and Nene on minute limits so the other players get some burn to settle in, not sure I see a trade in the cards right now. Maybe closer to the trade deadline.

Bench got them 45 pts as is. 36 the game before. 32 the game before that. Bench doesn't suck anymore. Amazing what a little health will do for a team.

Starters produced.

And they have room to grow. Wall and Beal will get better. Otto is just getting started. With just those 3 alone they should get better. That's not even mentioning Kevin S, Ves, and Glen have upside. Specially if the team has a more solid base on productive vets.

Right now, its all about Nene being healthy enough to give them 25 ish a game.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1151 » by fishercob » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:19 am

Go read by last post in the Booker thread. I have always liked young, but no interest in dealing for him now -- especially at the expense of Otto.


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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1152 » by LyricalRico » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:04 am

J-Ves wrote:I've always liked Young, but in an ideal world I'd much prefer to pick up a PF with legit size and someone who is a proven stretch 4, i.e. Ersan. If the Sixers were willing to add Wroten to the deal, I would be more inclined to like it. It would be nice if they took Maynor off our hands, but I'd guess that would cost us a 2014 2nd round pick, maybe a bit too steep.


Hmmm...I wonder if Milwaukee would want Young instead of Porter? He's an established guy that plays a position of need for them and his overall deal is smaller than Ersan's. I don't think Philly would swap Young for Ersan because they'd actually be adding salary. What about a 3-way?

Washington trades Porter+Vesely and receives Ersan
Milwaukee trades Ersan and receives Young
Philly trades Young and receives Porter+Vesely

Follow up with something like Booker to MIN for Shved and we'd be in good shape. Re-sign everybody and be a solid team for the next few years.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1153 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:14 am

LyricalRico wrote:
J-Ves wrote:I've always liked Young, but in an ideal world I'd much prefer to pick up a PF with legit size and someone who is a proven stretch 4, i.e. Ersan. If the Sixers were willing to add Wroten to the deal, I would be more inclined to like it. It would be nice if they took Maynor off our hands, but I'd guess that would cost us a 2014 2nd round pick, maybe a bit too steep.


Hmmm...I wonder if Milwaukee would want Young instead of Porter? He's an established guy that plays a position of need for them and his overall deal is smaller than Ersan's. I don't think Philly would swap Young for Ersan because they'd actually be adding salary. What about a 3-way?

Washington trades Porter+Vesely and receives Ersan
Milwaukee trades Ersan and receives Young
Philly trades Young and receives Porter+Vesely

Follow up with something like Booker to MIN for Shved and we'd be in good shape. Re-sign everybody and be a solid team for the next few years.


Why is anyone still talking about Ersan ? Let alone for losing Porter+Vesely
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1154 » by daSwami » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:15 am

Porter is the only guy with trade value outside of our Top 7 (wall, beal, nene, webster, gortat, ariza, booker). Thad Young is only 25 and puts up the type of numbers now that I'm skeptical Otto will ever reach. If we could dump Jan too, then all the better. I'd prefer to trade for bench players that could take the workload off of Nene, wall and beal. (Seraphin, Maynor and Temple don't count).
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1155 » by ozthegandp » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:14 am

espn's rumor central says the lakers are having a fire sale now that kobe's down with wizards a possible destination for ny or xavier Henry but not Jordan hill.

Why the hell would we not go for hill? he's cheap and a great rebounding big which is an area of need for us.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1156 » by ozthegandp » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:19 am

ozthegandp wrote:espn's rumor central says the lakers are having a fire sale now that kobe's down with wizards a possible destination for ny or xavier Henry but not Jordan hill.

Why the hell would we not go for hill? he's cheap and a great rebounding big which is an area of need for us.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1157 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:40 am

ozthegandp wrote:espn's rumor central says the lakers are having a fire sale now that kobe's down with wizards a possible destination for ny or xavier Henry but not Jordan hill.

Why the hell would we not go for hill? he's cheap and a great rebounding big which is an area of need for us.

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What could LA possibly hope to get in return for a guy like Nick Young or Xavier Henry who both happen to be unrestricted free agents in 6 months.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1158 » by ozthegandp » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:20 am

i said i misread. the article just lists the lakers trade assets and possible destinations for each asset if the lalers wanted to trade them. not a rumor.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1159 » by ozthegandp » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:28 am

how bout we forget gortat and try to sign hill in the off season. hes having a great season and establishing himself as one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. and lakers might be to preoccupied trying to sign a star that they let hill slip out of their fingers.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXV 

Post#1160 » by ozthegandp » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:31 am

and bring Steve Blake back to Washington instead of ariza.

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