Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[nuposse04]

If EG is hell bent on trading down to get more vets, than what about #3+Ves+Singleton for Thornton+#7? Wiz take Zeller (unless Len falls) and hope he pans out as a PF at 7. Thornton is a perfect combo guard.

I could get behind something like this...Swap out singleton and add some value in Ariza+Booker+2nd and see if we can swap for Patterson as well who IMO is a solid young stretch 4, not as good as Anderson or Ersan yet but I think could excel again playing next to Wall (again). He's still 24.

Best case scenario is if Len falls to us so we can run with:

Wall/Tomas/Price
Beal/Thornton
Webster/2nd rounder/Singleton
Nene/Patterson
OKafor/Seraphin

If we have Len or Zeller at the 7 spot I'd be content. I'd even settle for Shabazz.

[CLIN]

you guys are over-thinking this

just stand pat and take BPA at 3 and be happy.

hopefully EG thinks the same way

[deneem4]

Shannon brown and 5th for 3rd
Ersan and 15th for 5th and ariza
Draft kelly olynyk at 15th
Draft Ricardo ledo

Win 50+ games

Ledo
Brown
Ves/free agent forward/martin.
Nene
olynyk

[Dark Faze]

I just don't understand why you'd ever have to reach into your pockets and trade the #3 with all the movable assets that we have. Virtually our entire bench + expirings in Okafor and Ariza along with two second rounders.

Just seems crazy to me.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ, the question is as you stated, who would you take at 15?
Jamaal Franklin? Dieng? Schroeder? I'm not that crazy about any of those players.

Franklin is a quality defender, very good rebounder, and the type of athlete who will flourish in the NBA. He definitely would improve the bench and talent level of the team. He is a high energy player.

On the negative side, he settled for shooting 5 NCAA threes a game, despite shooting 27%. He had bad offensive games vs Arizona and Syracuse. Worst of all, Franklin had more turnovers than assists, He's not a high IQ player.

My gut tells me Franklin will exceed expectations at the next level, even if he's got Jamal Crawford-like confidence. He'll get more dunks and cleaner looks not being a primary ball handler .

I would want a bit more from the Bucks, AFM

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

you guys are over-thinking this

just stand pat and take BPA at 3 and be happy.

hopefully EG thinks the same way

I think the wisest course is certainly to wait until draft night and see who's there at 3. Trades on draft night will at least be the most well-thought and safe if Porter is already taken.

I would be happy keeping it simple and selecting Porter or possibly Zeller

There should not be a premature trade.

[pancakes3]

[quote="Dark Faze":****]I just don't understand why you'd ever have to reach into your pockets and trade the #3 with all the movable assets that we have. Virtually our entire bench + expirings in Okafor and Ariza along with two second rounders.

Just seems crazy to me.[/quote:****]

Nobody is going to give any kind of appreciable talent for our laughably bad PF's or 2nd round picks. Dealing Okafor means we'll have to either draft or receive a C in return. That would be a lateral move at best - and probably a huge step backwards defensively - the aspect of the game where we're actually average at.

Ariza is the only semi-worthwhile piece out of the lot and even then it's mostly by merit of him being an expiring. An expiring, a couple of journeymen, and two second rounders just isn't going to get any sort of value in a trade. The potential in a #3 draft pick starts drawing out the talent. Even if we do end up standing pat, it doesn't hurt to see what's out there.

[DCZards]

I think the wisest course is certainly to wait until draft night and see who's there at 3. Trades on draft night will at least be the most well-thought and safe if Porter is already taken.

I'm with you. Any trade before knowing who's there at 3 would be a mistake, imo. As much as I want Porter to be the Zards pick at 3, if the Cavs draft Porter and the Magic take a McLemore or Olapido, I think the Zards should draft Noel and count their lucky stars. Noel is a unique talent....probably the only player in this draft to be a true game changer. As a shotblocker, he has the potential to be a modern day Bill Russell.

Assuming his knee is not a long-term issue, Noel is the clear-cut #1 on my board, followed by McLemore (who the Zards really don't need) and Porter.

[truwizfan4evr]

I think the wisest course is certainly to wait until draft night and see who's there at 3. Trades on draft night will at least be the most well-thought and safe if Porter is already taken.

I'm with you. Any trade before knowing who's there at 3 would be a mistake, imo. As much as I want Porter to be the Zards pick at 3, if the Cavs draft Porter and the Magic take a McLemore or Olapido, I think the Zards should draft Noel and count their lucky stars. Noel is a unique talent....probably the only player in this draft to be a true game changer. As a shotblocker, he has the potential to be a modern day Bill Russell.

Assuming his knee is not a long-term issue, Noel is the clear-cut #1 on my board, followed by McLemore (who the Zards really don't need) and Porter.

Woah, lets not get ahead of are selves Noel will be a good talent for any team he plays for but he wont be nowhere near what bill Russell was. If Noel is left on the board he is a must get for us.

[DCZards]

As a shotblocker, he has the potential to be a modern day Bill Russell.

Assuming his knee is not a long-term issue, Noel is the clear-cut #1 on my board, followed by McLemore (who the Zards really don't need) and Porter.

Woah, lets not get ahead of are selves Noel will be a good talent for any team he plays for but he wont be nowhere near what bill Russell was. If Noel is left on the board he is a must get for us.

Notice that I said Noel has the "potential" as a shotblocker to be similar to Bill Russell. I stand by that.

[Illuminaire]

I can almost agree with you there, DCZards. Actually, I think I do. Very few bigs have not only the timing to block shots at that level, but the control to send many of those blocks towards teammates. Noel does. I would not bet on him ever having a Russel-like impact, but... if he stays healthy and hits 100% of his potential, it's in play.

Potential talk aside, a healthy Noel is going to be a great player. If he's available and docs give him a thumbs up, you have to take him. Tyson Chandler with Noah-like passing is a fair expectation for his prime, and that's a player who will win you a lot of games.

[montestewart]

I'm on board with Noel if he's still available. The Wall/Beal era is really just dawning, and adding a piece like Noel is really a bet on the long term, on Wall and Beal being good for a long time. Some other options (picks or trades) look a lot more like a really long odds bet on the Wizards getting sufficiently better this year to save someone's job, and if it doesn't work out, who cares? He still might not get fired.

[stevemcqueen1]

Ok so the Morris twins are scrubs but rivers is Ok lol. Rivers will never amount to Jack, at least the Morris twins are developing, they at least deserve to be on the court.

The Morris twins are better than Jan and Chris. and we still get to keep a top 5 pick.

we get the Morris twins who are developing well, Len, Bennett, Adams, or Olynyk or Zeller and we use our second round picks on guard and wing depth. Thats a really nice haul.

Neither of those deals are good. We don't need quantity at this point. We need quality.

[stevemcqueen1]

If EG is hell bent on trading down to get more vets, than what about #3+Ves+Singleton for Thornton+#7? Wiz take Zeller (unless Len falls) and hope he pans out as a PF at 7. Thornton is a perfect combo guard.

Nah. Moving down four spots from three overall is a huge drop in value in the NBA draft. You should be expecting an All Star appearance from #3 overall. You're happy just to get a long term contributor at 7.

Our two best players are guards. Just sign a combo guard in FA for cheap. There will be some guys available. There are every year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Shannon brown and 5th for 3rd
Ersan and 15th for 5th and ariza
Draft kelly olynyk at 15th
Draft Ricardo ledo

Win 50+ games

Ledo
Brown
Ves/free agent forward/martin.
Nene
olynyk

Again, we need quality, not quantity. What you've added there is a whole lot of quantity and little quality. You can only build around about 8 guys. We need good long term starters at the 3 and 5. All you've done in that scenario is add two backups 4s and a backup 2 while giving away Ariza. Bad trades.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd love for the Cavs to take Porter first if it means Noel drops to us.

Noel is the best shotblocker of his generation. Even better than Anthony Davis, who was truly special. He's like a rich man's Joakim Noah, and if you take him, we'd have built a rich man's Bulls on paper.

The Bulls are legit, true contenders built around Rose, Deng, and Noah with key role players like Boozer, Gibson, and Butler filling out the rest of the core group.

It's always made sense for us to build a similar team to Chicago because Wall is such a similar talent to Rose. He may never be as good as Rose, but maybe he comes close, and maybe he's got strengths that Rose doesn't that will make it easier to build around. His passing for example. His ability to easily guard SGs is another.

Then I truly believe Noel could be a more talented Noah. He's a blue chipper at 19 when Noah definitely wasn't.

And I think Beal is going to be better than Deng. I think Porter would be too FWIW. Beal probably already is better than their SGs.

Gibson is better than Booker or Seraphin, but I think Booker can play a similar role when healthy. Nene is probably a was with Boozer, but there were times last year when Nene looked significantly better. Ariza and Martell aren't as good as Butler, but they're better offensive players at least.

Noah is the one spot where the Bull have a massive advantage. Close the gap with them by getting Noel and you've built a team that can be better than them.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

In all seriousness I have no interest in Noel. I would rather take Adams.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

In all seriousness I have no interest in Noel. I would rather take Adams or Len.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

In all seriousness I have no interest in Noel. I would rather take Adams or Len.

[pancakes3]

On one hand, I agree with everyone's gushing endorsements of Noel and then some. That kid is/was some kind of special. I don't think the Chandler/Noah comparisons are fair - Noel is so much more. He generates turnovers like nobody the league has seen in well over a decade.

On the other hand, just how bad were those medical red flags that could let him slip? Is it a matter of needing more time or is it a matter of long term damage? I could definitely live with more rehab time - not everyone needs to come back in Peterson-esque superhuman timetables. Even if he misses the next season entirely I'd be fine with it. Give him the Blake Griffin experience.