Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII

[The Consiglieri]

This seems like a "BPA" pick to me. He actually fills a small need at backup swingman but I still Muscala or Pierre were the way to go. I think they either think nobody is better than Price (which is kind of depressing if true) or they think Tomas will be worth a crap this year. To be perfectly frank, Outside of Pierre, I didn't think any backup pg will change the fortunes of this franchise in the 2nd round.

What about wolters, metrics loved him. I think he was worth a look, though I think Rice JR has a better shot of being a legit pro. I heard from at least one source that Muscala was soft as a marshmellow which is the reason he dropped a bit, Withey dropped because apparently scouts felt he had one or two skills, but was not a legit starter or even reliable backup in this league because of his limited abilities (you didn't mention him, others did).

I think the view on Satoransky is fairly reasonable, the sense I get is that NBA scouts feel he is a legit rotational backup PG in this league with reasonable athleticism. May not be ready till '14-'15, but I think he's got at least a coin flips chance of sticking in the league for several years at least as a rotational back up. He's not a "wt- auto-bust" like so many suggested. He has legit skill, athleticism, and talent.

I don't get why every year this board goes completely bonkers with second rounders the way it does, I reserve my bonkers for our first round busts, with second rounders the failure rate is what, 80-85%, and correctly guessing who we'll draft? I've never hit on a 2nd round target of ours ever, not in 25 drafts. I gave up on that train a long time ago. What's important from what I've seen over the years is either to take a guy who has legit NBA level skills and/or athleticism, or to research a Euro stash with 2-3 years down the road NBA potential. Filling needs, or filling technical skills that are needed are the surest ways to land busts. I like the Rice JR pick because I think he has better than 50% odds of still being on a roster playing reasonable minutes in this league in 2015, and 2019 and beyond. That should be the objective and I think we actually attained it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Giving up second rounders is the type of things that make me convinced that Ernie Grunfeld is intellectually challenged.

I hate this.

I don't know CCJ, Rice was MVP of the D-league last year in the playoffs. He may be more NBA-ready than Porter is.

Taking talent without character generally comes back to bite a team.

Rice being picked out of the D-League when SO MANY BETTER YOUNG MEN WERE AVAILABLE bothers me.

Grunfeld takes talent but I suspect is devoid of depth of character himself. Rice if good is perhaps an Aaron Hernandez waiting to happen. I don't think Glen Rice is a great role model. This sounds like the Wizards had Wolters and Kazemi on their radar but somebody like Wittman wanted Robinson so that's the way they went.

I think this will turn out to be doubly bad, because the guys they passed over are good players with better character.

[truwizfan4evr]

Randy Witt, said Porter was are pick all along.

[MikeTheKid]

Wittman on NBA TV now!!!

[The Consiglieri]

Well I love the Otto pick of course.

I also like what Utah has done this draft.

The Rice pick... I really wanted Murphy. Withey, Wolters, Muscala, Green were some others I would of liked.

Also, who woulda thought Solomon Hill would go so high.

I honestly think 2 of your five targets will never play serious minutes in a game ever, and among the other 3 (Withey, Wolters, and Muscala), only 1 is likely to ever play many starters minutes or reserve minutes (Wolters). I think Withey could find a role in the NBA as a last man on the bench technical sub, and Muscala could be some no d, but scoring touch big as needed, but the only guy among the five that I think actually can play legit serious minutes and not be a major liability among them is Wolters.

Personally I view Rice JR as a serious superior prospect to all five of those guys other than possibly Wolters who I think he's even with, or maybe a little bit better than.

[The Consiglieri]

So if my math is correct, the Nets now have almost 33 million in payroll incoming for the next two years.

Out goes Gerald Wallace's 10 million annually for three years (yikes that's a horrible contract).

Humphries's 12 million expiring.

Reggie Evans's 1.6 million for two years.

Keith Bogans, who isn't even under contract for next year?

And Tornike Shongelia's 700k expiring.

This trade works? Brooklyn takes on 11 million in extra salary which puts them well over 90 million in payroll next season. They are going to get raped by the luxury tax.

When your owner made his money as a Russian oligarch who robbed an entire continent sized country blind during the post-Gorbachev years, you can afford to pay any NBA luxury tax w/o batting an eye. I imagine he thinks worrying about such things is absurd and hilarious.

[The Consiglieri]

I don't hate the pick GRJ can play the 2 he will probably be a nice 3 PT shooting back up for beal, but why not jsut take Ledo then us the second pick on a big? not a bad deal.

Good point, if you're going to risk the character issue, Ledo was every bit as worthwhile a target as RIce Jr and maybe moreso. I imagine we dug into his background a good deal before committing to Rice Jr, or at least I hope so. Word of mouth is that he was a choir boy in the NBDL this past year, I also admire his career creativity, no need to let the NCAA screw him like they do any other player that wants to transfer. Getting work in a league with pros, and pro coaching is generally a better idea (at least in baseball, and I imagine inhoops as well).

[nuposse04]

This seems like a "BPA" pick to me. He actually fills a small need at backup swingman but I still Muscala or Pierre were the way to go. I think they either think nobody is better than Price (which is kind of depressing if true) or they think Tomas will be worth a crap this year. To be perfectly frank, Outside of Pierre, I didn't think any backup pg will change the fortunes of this franchise in the 2nd round.

What about wolters, metrics loved him. I think he was worth a look, though I think Rice JR has a better shot of being a legit pro. I heard from at least one source that Muscala was soft as a marshmellow which is the reason he dropped a bit, Withey dropped because apparently scouts felt he had one or two skills, but was not a legit starter or even reliable backup in this league because of his limited abilities (you didn't mention him, others did).

I think the view on Satoransky is fairly reasonable, the sense I get is that NBA scouts feel he is a legit rotational backup PG in this league with reasonable athleticism. May not be ready till '14-'15, but I think he's got at least a coin flips chance of sticking in the league for several years at least as a rotational back up. He's not a "wt- auto-bust" like so many suggested. He has legit skill, athleticism, and talent.

I don't get why every year this board goes completely bonkers with second rounders the way it does, I reserve my bonkers for our first round busts, with second rounders the failure rate is what, 80-85%, and correctly guessing who we'll draft? I've never hit on a 2nd round target of ours ever, not in 25 drafts. I gave up on that train a long time ago. What's important from what I've seen over the years is either to take a guy who has legit NBA level skills and/or athleticism, or to research a Euro stash with 2-3 years down the road NBA potential. Filling needs, or filling technical skills that are needed are the surest ways to land busts. I like the Rice JR pick because I think he has better than 50% odds of still being on a roster playing reasonable minutes in this league in 2015, and 2019 and beyond. That should be the objective and I think we actually attained it.

I don't think Wolters changes the fortunes of any franchise either. He'll basically be Ridinour...which would be fine for a backup PG spot I suppose....but it won't ruin my evening. I thought Muscala could have fit a crucial niche though. Providing excellent floor spacing and possibly some rebounding. Wouldn't expect much more out of him than that..but he wasn't going to survive until the 54 so it was moot. As didn't Kelly or Murphy I think. So maybe taking one of them early would have been nice...but we'd lose out on somebody else.

Oh and even though I'm brownish..I would not draft Kazemi. Dude can't shoot the three ball. He is efficient but he doesn't do much scoring or spacing the floor...which is what we'd need from our 2nd round pick...which is what we got with Rice (assuming he plays the 2, I can't be mad). I still believe, if we wanted to maximize value on a potentially decent player, Mitchell was the way to go. He has talent, just needs the right environment to utilize it.

[nuposse04]

Giving up second rounders is the type of things that make me convinced that Ernie Grunfeld is intellectually challenged.

I hate this.

I don't know CCJ, Rice was MVP of the D-league last year in the playoffs. He may be more NBA-ready than Porter is.

Taking talent without character generally comes back to bite a team.

Rice being picked out of the D-League when

SO MANY BETTER YOUNG MEN WERE AVAILABLE

bothers me.

Grunfeld takes talent but I suspect is devoid of depth of character himself. Rice if good is perhaps an Aaron Hernandez waiting to happen. I don't think Glen Rice is a great role model. This sounds like the Wizards had Wolters and Kazemi on their radar but somebody like Wittman wanted Robinson so that's the way they went.

I think this will turn out to be doubly bad, because the guys they passed over are good players with better character.

Outside of Pierre, Mitchell, and maybe McCullum I think that part is debatable. I think better FITS were available, but flat out talent...I'm not sure.

[hands11]

There are a lot of 2nd round picks I look forward to seeing in the NBA. On the Wizards or not.

Which we would have don't the 2nd round different but it is what it is.

This should be EGs last draft. He didn't do anything to mess up the team.

[wake20]

I skipped the last 20 pages because it was getting obnoxious. All these teams passed on a defensive-minded, injured, frail, offensively-challenged prospect who won't be ready for 2-3 years, and you people act like EG passed on Dwight Howard. There were obvious signs that he was not even close to a top pick in this draft and you assume otherwise because certain "experts" had him go #1. We made the right pick, so deal with it.

[The Consiglieri]

Wall/Price
Beal/Rice/
Webster/Porter
Ariza/Singleton/Booker/Vesely
Okafor/Nene/Seraphin

?

I honestly think that if EG didn't draft a big man because it would be publicly admitting he was wrong. Maybe his pitch to Teddy is that the frontcourt is fully loaded and ready to go. It certainly looks that way. 6-7 PF/C's under contract. Why draft another one?

I imagine they're figuring they'll address PF and C via free agency in '14/'15, via trade, or via a prospect in the '14 draft. My guess is we'll draft somewhere between 10-20. There are about 7-8 guys that play PF or C exclusively that have grades in that 1-30 zone or thereabouts. and about 5 of them are projected for now in about the 8-22 area. A year ago I was focused on guys with a similar grade in the 6-14 zone, guys like Adams, Porter, Mitchell, McAdoo etc. We'll see how '14 plays out, if nothing else, the tremendous pile of elite players at the top, should push down guys that are better than the usual available in the 10-20 zone.

[nuposse04]

I skipped the last 20 pages because it was getting obnoxious. All these teams passed on a defensive-minded, injured, frail, offensively-challenged prospect who won't be ready for 2-3 years, and you people act like EG passed on Dwight Howard. There were obvious signs that he was not even close to a top pick in this draft and you assume otherwise because certain "experts" had him go #1. We made the right pick, so deal with it.

I think we (myself included at times), like to be salty over the draft for the sake of being salty tbh. Were there better fits available...yeah you could say there were but I don't mind the direction of the 2nd round pick. I think 2nd round players should be high risk, high reward type players anyways. Most of them don't make it in the NBA so why not gamble on someone who has considerable talent.

I still think Noel should have been picked over Porter...but he dropped to the Pelicans...and was then traded...I can't help but think NBA gms know something we don't regarding his long term viability.

[gambitx777]

Um I was never in on drafting Noel !
So wait. did we get really get Arsalan Kazemi? I thought we traded that pick? Or did i just miss something.

[Mizerooskie]

Giving up second rounders is the type of things that make me convinced that Ernie Grunfeld is intellectually challenged.

I hate this.

I don't know CCJ, Rice was MVP of the D-league last year in the playoffs. He may be more NBA-ready than Porter is.

Taking talent without character generally comes back to bite a team.

Rice being picked out of the D-League when SO MANY BETTER YOUNG MEN WERE AVAILABLE bothers me.

Grunfeld takes talent but I suspect is devoid of depth of character himself. Rice if good is perhaps an Aaron Hernandez waiting to happen. I don't think Glen Rice is a great role model. This sounds like the Wizards had Wolters and Kazemi on their radar but somebody like Wittman wanted Robinson so that's the way they went.

I think this will turn out to be doubly bad, because the guys they passed over are good players with better character.

CCJ,

I hate to see you so upset about the 2nd round stuff, as you're typically one of the cooler-headed and optimistic posters on here. So do yourself a favor and go back and look at the past say, 10 drafts, to see how many 2nd rounders in each draft turn into good players. It'll make you feel much better.

[nuposse04]

Um I was never in on drafting Noel !
So wait. did we get really get Arsalan Kazemi? I thought we traded that pick? Or did i just miss something.

we drafted him for someone else. Why someone would actually draft him actually surprises me. He doesn't have NBA range. Could be a glue guy down the road but I don't think he'd provide more utility to us then like...Temple.

[montestewart]

CCJ,

I hate to see you so upset about the 2nd round stuff, as you're typically one of the cooler-headed and optimistic posters on here. So do yourself a favor and go back and look at the past say, 10 drafts, to see how many 2nd rounders in each draft turn into good players. It'll make you feel much better.

Oh man, you're just making him more upset.

[hands11]

I skipped the last 20 pages because it was getting obnoxious. All these teams passed on a defensive-minded, injured, frail, offensively-challenged prospect who won't be ready for 2-3 years, and you people act like EG passed on Dwight Howard. There were obvious signs that he was not even close to a top pick in this draft and you assume otherwise because certain "experts" had him go #1. We made the right pick, so deal with it.

I think we (myself included at times), like to be salty over the draft for the sake of being salty tbh. Were there better fits available...yeah you could say there were but I don't mind the direction of the 2nd round pick. I think 2nd round players should be high risk, high reward type players anyways. Most of them don't make it in the NBA so why not gamble on someone who has considerable talent.

I still think Noel should have been picked over Porter...but he dropped to the Pelicans...and was then traded...I can't help but think NBA gms know something we don't regarding his long term viability.

I think there aren't any big secrets. I just think some here just ignored the facts. The issue have been written many times.

He had two knee injuries in four years. One was a growth plate. The other and ACL
He is thin shouldered and light.
He is a shot blocking center project who will take several year before he can start at center.
He didn't have AD's offense that would allow him to easily move to PF until ready to play center

I had his going #6 to the Pelicans in my final mock and that is where he went.

[BarnabyJones]

I give up. The towel is thrown in. This franchise is hopeless.

+10000000

[hands11]

CCJ,

I hate to see you so upset about the 2nd round stuff, as you're typically one of the cooler-headed and optimistic posters on here. So do yourself a favor and go back and look at the past say, 10 drafts, to see how many 2nd rounders in each draft turn into good players. It'll make you feel much better.

Oh man, you're just making him more upset.

You must be thinking of someone else.

CCJ is not cool headed. He will admit that himself. Actually he is the opposite. He is passionately emotional and often goes on ranks and get very negative. Then he calms down and get optimistic.

He is passionate about underrated longer shot players. Go by intuition. I think there are several of us here that like to find that type using that method as well.