2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1161 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:18 pm

If Atlanta needs to dump Millsap to sign Horford, I'd love to take him off their hands. If Boston signs Horford and has to let Sully walk, I'd be happy to get him too.

gesa2 · Post #1162 » by **gesa2** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:46 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:If Atlanta needs to dump Millsap to sign Horford, I'd love to take him off their hands. If Boston signs Horford and has to let Sully walk, I'd be happy to get him too.

Add this to Kanter from OKC, and this should be our back up plan wherever Horford signs.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1163 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:46 pm

nate33 wrote:Right now, our biggest need is someone to play the 15 minutes per game at center that Gortat can't handle, and the 20 minutes per game at PF that Morris can't handle. It's tough to think of a more perfect fit than Horford. Add him and Sato and our roster is really well balanced. We'd still need a backup PG though.

Agreed. I still think we need a wing with some man strength on him too. Beal + Sato + Otto + Oubre is a very young and inexperienced rotation. Not sure Sato and Oubre are going to be ready to play big minutes next season and we need someone with some bulk anyway.

Dat2U · Post #1164 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:58 pm

Vasquez at any price is untenable to me. Another Wizboard favorite were folks haven't updated the scouting report on the guy. He's gone from slow to being stuck in molasses. He can't guard anyone and can't do much on offense either other than pass around perimeter and jack up long range jumpers. He'll probably be out the league next year unless someone foolishly gives him a multiyear deal. I know Ruz watched him in Milwaukee this past year and could add to the debate.

mhd · Post #1165 » by **mhd** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:05 pm

Dat2U wrote:Vasquez at any price is untenable to me. Another Wizboard favorite were folks haven't updated the scouting report on the guy. He's gone from slow to being stuck in molasses. He can't guard anyone and can't do much on offense either other than pass around perimeter and jack up long range jumpers. He'll probably be out the league next year unless someone foolishly gives him a multiyear deal. I know Ruz watched him in Milwaukee this past year and could add to the debate.

Really, our best selling point is probably playing time. We only have 6 players under contract! Perhaps another repeat of 2015-2016 and a bunch of 1 year signings.

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nuposse04 · Post #1167 » by **nuposse04** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:10 pm

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AFM · Post #1168 » by **AFM** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:12 pm

I'm not backing out of my promise I made last night. Tonight should be very interesting.

dckingsfan · Post #1169 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:17 pm

Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

dckingsfan · Post #1170 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:18 pm

AFM wrote:I'm not backing out of my promise I made last night. Tonight should be very interesting.

Wait, what was the promise?

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #1171 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:18 pm

mhd wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Vasquez at any price is untenable to me. Another Wizboard favorite were folks haven't updated the scouting report on the guy. He's gone from slow to being stuck in molasses. He can't guard anyone and can't do much on offense either other than pass around perimeter and jack up long range jumpers. He'll probably be out the league next year unless someone foolishly gives him a multiyear deal. I know Ruz watched him in Milwaukee this past year and could add to the debate.

Really, our best selling point is probably playing time. We only have 6 players under contract! Perhaps another repeat of 2015-2016 and a bunch of 1 year signings.

Before last year with the Bucks, in 2 seasons with Toronto he was very consistent with avg 10 pts 4 assts 38% on 3s in 23 min per game. Sometimes players and teams are just a bad fit.

I am interested in what Ruz thinks about it...

nuposse04 · Post #1172 » by **nuposse04** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:21 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

If Horford is about winning while getting paid he isn't going to purge BOS of the assets they have that make them the team he is interested in just for one extra year.

nuposse04 · Post #1173 » by **nuposse04** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:23 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
AFM wrote:I'm not backing out of my promise I made last night. Tonight should be very interesting.

Wait, what was the promise?

he will fellatio himself. -___-

Post #1174 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:26 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:If Atlanta needs to dump Millsap to sign Horford, I'd love to take him off their hands. If Boston signs Horford and has to let Sully walk, I'd be happy to get him too.

To my surprise, Millsap is a year and 3 months older than Horford - seems like Horford's been around a lot longer. Yeah, I'd take any of those 3 - but Horford would definitely be my preference of the 3.

Post #1175 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:29 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
mhd wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Vasquez at any price is untenable to me. Another Wizboard favorite were folks haven't updated the scouting report on the guy. He's gone from slow to being stuck in molasses. He can't guard anyone and can't do much on offense either other than pass around perimeter and jack up long range jumpers. He'll probably be out the league next year unless someone foolishly gives him a multiyear deal. I know Ruz watched him in Milwaukee this past year and could add to the debate.

Really, our best selling point is probably playing time. We only have 6 players under contract! Perhaps another repeat of 2015-2016 and a bunch of 1 year signings.

Before last year with the Bucks, in 2 seasons with Toronto he was very consistent with avg 10 pts 4 assts 38% on 3s in 23 min per game. Sometimes players and teams are just a bad fit.

I am interested in what Ruz thinks about it...

Well thank you sir. I love Greivis for what he did at Maryland, and he had a pro career he can be proud of. But the worst trade in the NBA last offseason was Milwaukee trading a 1st and 2nd rounder for Greivis. He's just got nothing left in the tank, imo.

Post #1176 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:32 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

i could be wrong, but I thought the last CBA prevented S&T's that give players 5 year contracts. They did that to discourage players from changing teams.

Post #1177 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:36 pm

Whoa, apparently Horford has decided not to re-sign with Atlamta, and it's down to Bostona and Washington - with the decision coming tonight. From the Wiretap:

The Boston Celtics and Washington Wizards have emerged as frontrunners to sign Al Horford.

Horford is expected to make a final decision Saturday evening.

The Atlanta Hawks agreed to terms with Dwight Howard on the first day of free agency, but they haven't ruled out re-signing Horford. The Hawks also re-signed Kent Bazemore.

Horford met with four teams Friday in Atlanta, including the Celtics and Wizards.

Horford pared down his options on Saturday morning.

Post #1178 » by **nate33** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:38 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

Can't do that with the new CBA. That loophole has been closed. S&T's do not give the receiving team the ability to pay the player any more than they otherwise would if they were signing him as a free agent. The only thing a S&T would do is give Atlanta a big trade exemption.

80sballboy · Post #1179 » by **80sballboy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:39 pm

Uggh. When was the last big-time free agent that came here? It's great that we're involved with big Al with Boston but you always feel that the eventual letdown is coming.

MikeTheKid · Post #1180 » by **MikeTheKid** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:42 pm

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